USA Military Officers Challenge Official Account of September 11, page 6

There's NO physical evidence of a plane crash at the Pentagon or Shanksville... or a GROSSLY insufficient amount of wreckage to believe the rest just "vaporized" (to quote the NIST Report)

Oh really?

At a news conference, FBI agent Bill Crowley said that the field near Shanksville, Somerset County, has been turned over to the county coroner and that 95 percent of the plane found at the site has been turned over to United Airlines.

www.thepittsburghchannel.com...

95 percent of the plane was recovered and returned to United Airlines.......

What was it you were saying about no evidence in Shanksville?

Originally posted by Swampfox46_1999
Oh really?

Oh yes REALLY

Shanksville "Plane Crash" wreckage... workers looking for wreckage..




Crash response team... one old volunteer fire truck...



www.wtc-terrorattack.com...

Plume of smoke from 'plane crash'

At a news conference, FBI agent Bill Crowley said that the field near Shanksville, Somerset County, has been turned over to the county coroner and that 95 percent of the plane found at the site has been turned over to United Airlines.

95 percent of the plane was recovered and returned to United Airlines.......

Okay so where is the picture of this "95 percent of the plane" from the investigation? The only picture they provide is THIS.. the back of two workers just standing around



Now the best part is this a quote from you "FBI/Mainstream" news story...

Passengers on the flight, in cell phone calls made before the crash, said one of their captors had what appeared to be a bomb strapped to him. At least three of the passengers said they planned to confront the hijackers just before the plane crashed in Somerset County, Pa.

Funny that's not what they said before... And on the day it happened I heard on the radio that they had shot down a fourth plane over Pennsylvania... the engine being found miles away... (something even the worker in the video at the killtown link below says)

It seems Rumsfeld agrees with me...

Rumsfeld Says Plane Shot Down Over Pennsylvania


Now should I believe YOU, the FBI report, or Rumsfeld?

Considering Rumsfeld ALSO pointed out the 3.5 trillion that was 'missing' from the coffers of taxpayers announced on 910, just the day before...

So TWO official stories? and still no 'plane in the hole'

9/10/2001: Rumsfeld says $2.3 TRILLION Missing from Pentagon



Congresswoman Cynthia McKinney grills Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld on the Pentagon's missing trillions, DynCorp's slave trade, and the 9/11 wargames. House Hearing on FY06 Dept. of Defense Budget, March 11, 2005.



Can't debunk those... goes to MOTIVE, just like you cannot debunk Operation Northwood... goes to INTENT

Can't debunk that Silverstein took out extra insurance on buildings that were a "white Elephant" loosing tons of money and would have cost a fortune to demolish conventionally... so how convienient for him that all three buildings get taken out... and he gets to collect DOUBLE on the insurance as there were {ahem} two seperate attacks?

Can't debunk that Marvin P. Bush, the president's younger brother, was a principal in a company called Securacom that provided security for the World Trade Center, United Airlines, and Dulles International Airport. According to its present CEO, Barry McDaniel, the company had an ongoing contract to handle security at the World Trade Center "up to the day the buildings fell down."

www.whatreallyhappened.com...

What was it you were saying about no evidence in Shanksville?

Here is the aerial view of the plane wreckage taken when the team moved in to remove it..



killtown.blogspot.com...

What I am saying about no evidence in Shanksville is that there is no evidence of a plane




EDIT TO ADD

It is also important to note that the 'crater' where the 'plane 'crashed' was already a dig site as can be seen in this aerial photo taken in 1994 by the EPA





To those not blind... have a look at this photo gallery, which includes some taken by the FBI immediately after like this one..



Here is a close up..


Caption
An FBI aerial photograph taken Sept. 12, 2001, shows the crash site of hijacked United Airlines Flight 93 in Shanksville, Pa." - usinfo.state.gov

Please circle any of the 'plane debris' in the above FBI photo that you see... perhaps I am missing something

Gallery
killtown.911review.org...

[edit on 5-6-2008 by zorgon]

Originally posted by Swampfox46_1999
...Only a complete idiot would look at our media and think its government controlled.

Uh, obviously, you seem to have forgotten about the more than eight thousand pages documenting the governments influence on the media... Please inform yourself here: www.abovetopsecret.com...

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You are kidding me right? Using Killtown's website?

And on the day it happened I heard on the radio that they had shot down a fourth plane over Pennsylvania... the engine being found miles away...

The engine (engine fan actually) in question, ended up approximately 300 yards away...not miles...in the direction the plane had been traveling. An easy distance to reach with a 500 mph impact.

Then you show a picture of two Red Cross volunteers...there to help feed the recovery workers...looking at the memorials that were springing up...as some sort of proof that the jet didnt crash there...

Flight 93

www.debunk911myths.org...200060.jpg
www.debunk911myths.org...200062.jpg
www.debunk911myths.org...200061.jpg
www.debunk911myths.org...200065.jpg
www.debunk911myths.org...200066.jpg
www.911myths.com...
pittsburgh.about.com...
images.google.com...://www.unitedflight93.com/image/debris.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.unitedflight93.com/&h=374&w=50 0&sz=159&hl=en&start=26&um=1&tbnid=yO-n4rUBHKvHpM:&tbnh=97&tbnw=130&prev=/images%3Fq%3D%2522flight%2B93%2522%2B%2Bdebris%26start%3D18%26ndsp%3D18%26um %3D1%26hl%3Den%26safe%3Dactive%26sa%3DN

news.bbc.co.uk...

Whats left of one of Flight 93's Airfones

americanhistory.si.edu...

Considering Rumsfeld ALSO pointed out the 3.5 trillion that was 'missing' from the coffers of taxpayers announced on 910, just the day before

Ah yes, I love this one. Of course, I notice that you dont mention the whole story. Rumsfeld was talking about 30+ years of accumulated errors. However Killtown posts this, and all of the sudden people like you think that 2.3 trillon dollars disappeared in one day from the Pentagon's piggy bank. But then Im going to guess that you do not understand that 2.3 trillon dollars would be the Pentagon's entire budget for about 5 years.

Can't debunk that Silverstein took out extra insurance on buildings that were a "white Elephant" loosing tons of money and would have cost a fortune to demolish conventionally... so how convienient for him that all three buildings get taken out... and he gets to collect DOUBLE on the insurance as there were {ahem} two seperate attacks?

And you cannot get past the fact that Silverstein was forced by his bankers to take out as much insurance as he did. He only wanted to purchase 1.5 billion.

www.forbes.com...

Not to mention that the WTC were NOT losing money

www.panynj.gov...

Can't debunk that Marvin P. Bush, the president's younger brother, was a principal in a company called Securacom that provided security for the World Trade Center, United Airlines, and Dulles International Airport.

Actually I have, many times on here. Marvin Bush was indeed on the board of directors of Securacom, however he left the board in June 2000, before his brother was even the GOP nominee.

In addition, Securacom did NOT provide security for the WTC. The PAPD and the department headed by John O'Neill did that.


You really shouldnt rely on Killtown's websites...he/she/it has been debunked too many times.

reply to post by Unit541

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If it were government controlled, we wouldnt have Monica, Watergate..you name any number of scandals for the government...we wouldnt have the first clue about them if the government controlled the media.

Originally posted by Swampfox46_1999
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If it were government controlled, we wouldnt have Monica, Watergate..you name any number of scandals for the government...we wouldnt have the first clue about them if the government controlled the media.

Sure we would! Those kinds of stories are specifically designed to make the sheep think we have a free, fair and ballanced MSM.

The powers that be aren't stupid. Look at who owns the big news agencys and TV news stations.

www.mediaowners.com...

All big players with mega connections to the power structure.

Schools out!

reply to post by zorgon

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The source is the Pakistan news. You cannot believe anything you read in the Pakistan news that is about anything happening in the USA.

Originally posted by Swampfox46_1999

At a news conference, FBI agent Bill Crowley said that the field near Shanksville, Somerset County, has been turned over to the county coroner and that 95 percent of the plane found at the site has been turned over to United Airlines.

www.thepittsburghchannel.com...

95 percent of the plane was recovered and returned to United Airlines.......

What was it you were saying about no evidence in Shanksville?

Although I agree with you that evidence was found at the site, please read your quote again. It says 95% of the plane found at the site, not 95% of the plane was found. That's a misrepresentation. Thanks.

Originally posted by menguard
The United States took claim to feminism when they accepted The Stature Of Liberty, in the state capital.

I have to point out that Albany is the state capital of NY.

Capital City: Albany

www.50states.com...

reply to post by zorgon

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You're not seriously bringing up Dr. Judy's crazy lawsuit over the "Directed Energy Weapons" (DEW) nonsense, are you?

How did that 'massive' lawsuit work out for Rodrequez? Not so much, eh?

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Again, need I say more?

As before, this is by no means outside the bell curve for truthers.

reply to post by zorgon

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I appreciate the volumes of information you provided. The problem is, the 'evidence' you provided has been hashed over, and answered, for half a decade. In addition, innuendo and flights of fancy don't equal proof.

The so-called truth club has been asking the very same questions for years and years. The very thing that brought the so-called truth club into mainstream consciousness (and then promptly back out of it) is....drum roll please......... the Internet.

These “questions”, and more importantly the answers have been – and are – freely available and have been for years. The Internet is double-edged sword for truthers. The good? They are able to reach far more victims than they ever would have been able to, pre-Internet. The bad? The answers are just as prolific. In addition, the misrepresentation truthers regularly engage in, concerning the nature of so-called “evidence” is easily scrutinized by outsiders and under the bright lights of real science, context and a healthy amount of actually knowing what your talking about exposes truthers for what they are, IMO.

Bottom line: old-school conspiracy types used to be the only ones “out there” enough to spend years and years obtaining information through FOIA requests, pouring over old documents, etc. Because of the difficulty involved in obtaining critical pieces of information, conspiracy cons were able to cast the “evidence” in grossly inaccurate terms, without context. The only way to combat previous conspiracy frauds was to spend an equal amount of time obtaining the same information.

With the Internet age, the information the so-called truth club likes to lord over is freely available. Only one person has to go through the pain of a FOIA request. Once obtained, you can post it on the Internet for all to see, as but one example. The truth-club finds their road so bumpy because – frankly – the same old tricks just don't work any more.

As evidenced by your (re)posting: you guys haven't learned this yet.

Thinkers defer to actual experts; truthers claim they are the experts. Thinkers look at the entire body of evidence; truthers ignore the gargantuan volumes of research already done and pretend their questions have never been asked, or answered. Thinkers evaluate how many experts believe one theory or another; truthers find one person with dubious credentials and present him (or her) as the entire body of knowledge and sell that persons' opinion as representative of the overall body of knowledge. Thinkers realize the Loose Change fraud (in it's current form...what revision #5?) requires – at a minimum, eight thousand conspirators to even have a chance of being plausible; truthers refer to the NWO, various acronym agencies and 'them'.


[edit on 6-6-2008 by SlightlyAbovePar]

reply to post by Swampfox46_1999

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Hey Swamp!
I really appreciate all of the work you've done in this thread...keep it up!

Everyone else: the responses will be very, very instructive.

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