There's PROOF that Extra-Terrestrial and Extra-Dimensional beings exist

reply to post by polomontana


We don't have to leave these things "open."

We can come to a reasonable conclusion based on the evidence.

To a skeptic, a U.F.O. and the beings who fly them is not a reasonable conclusion so they come into the situation with a conclusion already reached.

So these things have to remain "open" until they find an explanation that fits their pre-existing belief.

We can weigh the evidence within reason and come to a conclusion that these things exist beyond any reasonable doubt.

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Look man, EVERYTHING is "open"

Nothing, I mean NOTHING is ever "closed"

For thousands of years people thought the Earth was flat and that the Earth was the center of the universe, with the sun rotating around it. This were considered "closed" however that did not change the fact that new evidence had provided "proof" that these theories were incorrect.

So, as I hope you see, NOTHING is ever closed and everything we know is "open" to interpretation. Who knows? New evidence may one day prove that the Earth really is flat. Everything is open to perception.

I would like to bak the OP
Proof is reliant on evidence
Dictionary.com on evidence.. A thing or things helpful in forming a conclusion or judgment:

And he formed a conclusion or judgement that they exists, Dont be so hard on the guy, he DID provide proof and evidence for himself.

You all dont have to accept his proof or formed conclusion, but dont be so ignorant to allow his right to form that opinion. Even his opinions can be considered evidence, anything can be submitted as proof and evidence, the judge may find it to be substantial, when a jury doesnt... The jury wins but the judge is still entitled his opinion and can rule on it as well..

Back off the poor guy and provide your own proof to refute it, we wont condem or stone you.

Originally posted by Anonymous ATS
reply to post by polomontana

 

We don't have to leave these things "open."

We can come to a reasonable conclusion based on the evidence.

To a skeptic, a U.F.O. and the beings who fly them is not a reasonable conclusion so they come into the situation with a conclusion already reached.

So these things have to remain "open" until they find an explanation that fits their pre-existing belief.

We can weigh the evidence within reason and come to a conclusion that these things exist beyond any reasonable doubt.

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Look man, EVERYTHING is "open"

Nothing, I mean NOTHING is ever "closed"

For thousands of years people thought the Earth was flat and that the Earth was the center of the universe, with the sun rotating around it. This were considered "closed" however that did not change the fact that new evidence had provided "proof" that these theories were incorrect.

So, as I hope you see, NOTHING is ever closed and everything we know is "open" to interpretation. Who knows? New evidence may one day prove that the Earth really is flat. Everything is open to perception.

I disagree.

You can come to a reasonable conclusion and things still remain open.

I have come to the conclusion that extrterrestrial and extradimensial beings exist beyond any reasonable doubt based on the evidence not an opinion.

Where they come from and how they got here is still open.

All these pictures, video, trace evidence and eyewitness accounts remain "open" because exradimensional or extraterrestrial beings are not included in the "natural explanation" in the mainstream.

A natural explanation is just one that fits what you already believe. These beings would be a "natural explanation" in the context of extra dimensions or beings who are years ahead of us in evolution and technology.

So these things have to remain "open" until we find an explanation that fit's a pre-existing belief, for example weather balloons and lanterns.

I can say beyond any reasonable doubt that you can look until your blue in the face and you will not find an explanation outside of extradimensional or extraterrestrial beings.

I posted a thread about open and unknown cases from Project Blue Book.

Witness: ex-AAF B-17 gunner (19 missions) N.E. Schroeder. One thin, bright ellipse, like polished metal, hovered for 5-8 seconds, dropped down 3,000' in 3 seconds, hovered again and faded out after a total of 20 seconds in view.

Witness: mechanical engineer L.H. Hormer. One intensely white elliptical light changed to yellow, then orange, then pink, four or five times while flying straight and level for 5 minutes.

Witness: P.L. Percharde, electrical engineer and assistant manager of Moeller Shipwrecker Co., of Okinawa. A line of blue lights, underneath. a blue circle with a black center. Flew over ship and climbed, illuminating and agitating the clouds.

Witnesses: USAF Maj. W.J. Davis, Capt. R.D. Sauers, flying a C-47 transport plane. One dark blue oblong object paced the C-47, veered away, then crossed in front of it. Five minute sighting.

Witnesses: 1st Officer H.G. Gardner, engineer J.V.D. Whitisy, flying Royal Dutch Airlines DC-4 (PH-DBZ). Three or four dark, lens-shaped objects veered north and changed position in formation during the 10 minute sighting.

Witness: Lelah Stoker. One white round-topped disc, with a humanoid suspended beneath it, skimmed over the water, landed, and an occupant in a green suit walked around. It then took off very, very fast. Sighting lasted 30 minutes.

11 unnamed civilian man. Watched for 1 hour while an undescribed object flew counterclockwise circles.

Witnesses: A. C. Urie and his two sons. A sky blue flying saucer slides fast at the bottom of the canyon where the witnesses were fishing. It follows the contours of the ground and its description is that of a structured machine which cannot be of terrestrial origin.

Witnesses: Assistant Base Operations Officer Capt. William Rhyerd, ex-AAF B-29 pilot Ward Stewart. Watched for unknown length of time while two round, shiny, white objects with estimated 15-25 foot diameters, flew 3-4 times the apparent speed of a P-80, also in sight. One object flew straight and level, the other weaved from side-to-side like an escort fighter.

www.ufologie.net...

Over 700 cases that have remained "unknown" for decades.

How long do we have to wait until we can come to a reasonable conclusion?

This is just one small part within the totality of evidence within ufology.

Keeping these things open doesn't make sense.

The answer is in our face every day in pictures, videos and eyewitness accounts.

The thing that doesn't exist is this elusive "natural explanation."

It only takes one of the hundreds of thousands of pictures, videos, and stories to be authentic for aliens to exist. Just one.

[E.T SPotting]

Long ago when i wuz at least 6 or 7 yrs old i saw a UFO or some thing in the air a alberta it was awesome!?!

Proof, Proof, I see no Proof.

If people spent their time and effort on here actually looking at the evidence put in front of them and making up their own minds, posting their point of view in an unemotional way rather than arguing with people of a different viewpont, we may all learn an awful lot more.

The Sceptics and the Believers are as bad as each other, both sides need to open their minds

True, Extraterrestrials do exist, but the post of this blog do not give exact proofs of their existence.
People do not need unrefutable evidences, but they need strong evidence in order to believe in alien life. As you said first, the evidences of alien life are ancient painting, ancient scriptures, egyptian and sumerian symbols figuring alien ships, medieval painting showing UFO, the Bible, eyewitnesses, videos, pictures, ancient knowledge. There are also extra-dimentionals squeletons that have been found everywhere on the globe and also non-human-humanoid squeleton.
The reason why people do not believe you is that you focus on saying that they can't prove that alien do not exist. That is not a proof. Can we convince an atheist that God exist just because it is impossible to know if it doesn't exist. The atheist is right for wanting a proof of God's existence. I think you should re-post this subject by focusing on the proofs of alien existence.
Before talking about the evidences of alien existence, we must say that some evidences cannot be taken into account. First, because of our modern technology, it is impossible to say if a picture or a video that we see is false. That mean that we cannot considere any pictures or video as evidence. First evidence is eyewitness. When a great number of people keep saying the same story about abduction, we must considere it as an indication that they are telling the truth.
Before going on, I would strongly suggest that everyone with an open mind should search the internet about the evidences I enumerated at the beginning of my intervention. You cannot make an opinion by yourself if you don't know what I am talking about.
Secondly, if you search the egyptian symbols written in the ancient buildings, you will see somewhere pictures of planes and flying saucers. That means that the ancient civilization of egypt knew the existence of them or had seen them.
Also, you can search for medieval paintings where you can see flying saucers with angels in it on religious paintings. That means that flying saucers were known in that time too. As I should tell, these details cannot be comprehended without the hypothesis of alien existence. These pictures tend to confirm the modern pictures, videos and eyewitnesses.
In a lot of religions, we can search for ancient stories about the mythology or the creation stories where alien gods were influencing the course of humankind. This is where the Bible enters. In the genesis 6,2 and 6.4, we can notice that the Bible says that the sons of God went to the daughters of men and they gave them children and these children became giants. This text refers to another text "the book of Enoch" which is a mithological book speaking about the sons of God which means in the hebrew word "those that came down" and the giants that were on the earth. This story seems false and confusing, but the facts is that these giant skeletons have been found in some places (people as high as 30 feets). You can search the internet for informations about these skeletons: some are false. Also, there are some places in the world where museums possess some cranes that look like extraterrestrials with a big box for the brain (means that they were superior in intelligence) In no way it is possible that these beings were humans. For the giants, it seems more that they were humans. Again, search the internet and make an opinion for yourself.
The last evidence I want to tell people about but not the least is the ancient knowledge that ancient civilization could not get by themselves and must have received it. By example, the sumerians knew the existence of pluto without telescope. The mayans could calculate with their calendar the exact course of our sun around the galaxy. In no way they could find that some thousand years ago. We cannot do that even these days. These civilizations must have received the technology from a superior one.

I'd also like to back the OP. I think you are exactly right. There is indeed "proof" and your example of a court case and a jury reaching a conclusion "beyond a reasonable doubt" is certainly applicable to this subject. What do lawyers often say before presenting their case? "The prosecution shall PROVE, beyond any reasonable doubt..." etc.

It is a fact that the same reasonable criteria are not applied to the investigation of UFO's as are applied to legal cases. We would execute people following a legal case - and do - on infinitely less PROOF than has been presented over the years, of all kinds, regarding the existence of UFO's (meaning - as 99.9% of people do when they use the word - Alien Craft).

Asking the OP to provide more proof as stated in his thread title is, frankly, ridiculous because proof has been presented in great measure, day in and day out, here and elsewhere for years. Weren't you paying attention? His point is that weight of evidence already available DOES constitute "PROOF", just as it would be rightly called "proof" in a courtroom, where far less evidence is presented and required to reach conclusions, even when there are grave penalties involved. If we used the sceptic's definition of "proof", which they uniquely apply to Ufology (because of prejudice), then no legal system would be possible AT ALL. It's an unreasonable and hypocritical position to take, which is why I tend to agree with the OP's conclusion, that it is a sign of a lack of sincerity with a regard to finding "the truth'.

So, I completely back the OP who has defended his position fantastically IMO.

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Jonathan Reeds alien encounter proved that.

I note that, besides the repeated diversionary requests for more "proof" which completely miss the point you were making - which is that the mountain of evidence we already have is certainly far more than "proof" enough to reach a conclusion - and apart from some nitpicking about the use of the word U.F.O, there was no real attempt by the uber-sceptics to respond the very valid points you raised OP. And now the thread has gone quiet. Interesting.