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Indigo Children a hoax

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posted on Jun, 3 2008 @ 06:01 PM
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reply to post by Dark Crystalline
 


So, do you intend to remain a child forever more, Crystalline?

Because that is what the label is doing to you.




posted on Jun, 3 2008 @ 06:04 PM
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You should stop identifying yourself with a mythical group. Its not real. Its new age propganda thats feeding a desire that everyone be special. I was born in the 1980s. I meet a huge portion of thse "indigo child" qualifers - but its not real. Its a system made up such that just about everyone could claim to be special.




Frequent characteristics of being strong-willed, independent thinkers who prefer to do their own thing rather than comply with authority figures are therefore expressed. They are empathic and can easily detect or are in tune with the thoughts of others, and are naturally drawn to matters concerning mysteries, spirituality, the paranormal and the occult, while opposing unquestioned authority and contradictory to convention

en.wikipedia.org...

These are characteristics shared by a huge portion of people, and a even larger amount of young people will share them. Not because they are special or that indigo children are real, but because younger people naturally question authority, think they must save the world, and like dabbling into the things forbidden by society (the occult). Its a function of becoming a mature adult. Before we realize were not all special little unique snow flakes, we go through a process of thinking we are.

The entire concept is a sham, and it cant be proven because it does not exist. The same way I can't prove pink unicorns are real.



posted on Jun, 3 2008 @ 06:09 PM
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You dismiss everything so easily, it's really quite disturbing.

I've seen things, but more importantly i've seen "through" those things - but that doesn't change the fact that i am aware of certain things within the human psychology that eludes my concious mind - making their home within the subconcious, where it is difficult to analyse them fully.

Things like synchronicity, for example.

I could regale you with a story to do with tarot cards, and a synchronised event that occured when i was thinking back to them, but i don't think you'd be interested - instead all i'm going to do is wait for you to take a closer look at the inside of your own skull.

[edit on 3-6-2008 by Anti-Tyrant]



posted on Jun, 3 2008 @ 06:16 PM
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I dismiss the things which are delusions and have no chance of being real. Do you think pink unicorns fill the sky and that is why we see dark reds at sunset? If not, then why are YOU easily dismissing things? Why don't you look at the facts - do you seriously think everyone doesn't go through a stage of rebellion when they are younger? Or that all the characteristics of this myth arent shared by a huge portion of people when they are younger?

People want to believe they are something more than what they seem. It makes us feel empowered. We will believe absolutely anything to make this illusion more life like.

There was a study several years ago were a bunch of psychologists wrote up 1 horoscope and gave it to a bunch of people, telling them it was personalized just for them. Almost all of the participants thought the horoscope was an exact description of them. Why? Because everyone believes they are special, and if you write a myth to that tone, everyone will think its real. The things it said were like "there is more to you than what others see" and "inside, you are not as strong as you project" - these are things everyone thinks about themselves. I'd provide precise cites, but I realize people are more interested in furthering this myth than looking at the evidence.

Facts are facts.

[edit on 3-6-2008 by ALightinDarkness]



posted on Jun, 3 2008 @ 06:17 PM
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As I written above, I'm almost 30. But the one, who is calling me on this way is sometimes handling me as a child. She is a bit cheeky after all.
When she started to call me on this way, I was a child, I admit it. Since that time I grew up, but the name Crystalline remained. And I already used to it.
It's quite better then the Crystal Adult. So, it's Crystalline.

ALightinDarkness. I'm not identifying myself with anything. And as I written above, not I was the one who gave me the name, Crystalline. Plus, wikipedia is the greatest fabricated lexicon ever created. Everyone can write anything in it. Honestly, I don't really care what you believe in, because it's not going to change any fact. Indigos and Crystallines are not a sect, not a mythical group. Nothing like this.



These are characteristics shared by a huge portion of people


So, seeing and communicating with Angels and spirits, seeing auras, knowing many things without we even learned it, it's common as you say. Okay. So in this case you know all these things. So... what's the problem here? You know what I know. You see what I see. You hear what I hear. Anything else?



think they must save the world, and like dabbling into the things forbidden by society (the occult).


Uh... when did I ever write this? I can't see this. It's another guessing about Crystallines and Indigos, nothing more. Forbidden society? If wiki says so, it's surely true. Occult... yeah, sure. Oh, got it. We're painting HUUUUUUUGE pentagrams to everywhere and dancing, chanting and singing around it, while we're holding the hands of the spirits. Oh, come on. You really believe that we're doing this? Oh, man. You should quit to learn from wikipedia, because it's really making you dumb.

Saving the world. Oh, that's my favorite concept. I'm usually dressing up to my crystal suit, which has a big C on the chest part, and I'm flying around the world, while I'm preaching mysterious and occult things. Oh, my, God. And you're saying that we have fantasy. Don't you believe that you're giving way too much meaning to a title and some... well, skills what you also have as we discussed few lines above? Well. It's common after all as you said. Tsk-tsk-tsk.

Let me tell you something. It's more real than you ever believed. Have you ever saw a real angel? Not that small winged, itsy-bitsy angel what you can see on cartoon network or in other fabricated things. Real Angels, real spirit Guardians with large white wings, whose have more wisdom and kindness that you ever would be able to imagine. If no, please quit bugging me, because you don't have the slightest clue what about you're talking.

These are the facts. You cannot see them, so you cannot accept them. You cannot hear them, you cannot accept them. But regardless you can't see or hear something, that's not meaning it's not existing. And that's the major fact.

By the way, here is a friendly advise. Change your nickname to... I don't know... ADarknessInLight? That would fit your current knowledge and wisdom, regarding to this topic.

[edit on 3-6-2008 by Dark Crystalline]



posted on Jun, 3 2008 @ 06:26 PM
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Facts are indeed facts, that cannot be denied - if we're using the absolute sense of the word, that is.

However, Why do you think i was attacking the label?

The idea that human evolution, development, or w/e you want to call it in regards to the 'indigo children' (my mouth tastes bitter with the mere term), could be so specified into such a detailed category is nothing other than a total and utter destruction of the very possibility that humans are becoming... wiser...

You said something along the lines of this yourself, i believe, albeit i'm approaching the subject from a different angle.

My opinion on this matter is that a person who calls himself anything, be it 'indigo child', 'crystalline child', 'white', 'black', 'male', 'female' is restricting themselves mentally.

It's essentially like putting yourself inside a box of your own creation.

I'll say one last thing; I do not believe it's impossible, i just believe that there is more to this world than that which we choose to label.



posted on Jun, 3 2008 @ 06:27 PM
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So then, why the emphasis on darkness?

I certainly hope you're not going to go for some sort of 'shadows within the light' analogy.



posted on Jun, 3 2008 @ 06:27 PM
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Originally posted by Dark Crystalline
ALightinDarkness. I'm not identifying myself with anything. And as I written above, not I was the one who gave me the name, Crystalline. Plus, wikipedia is the greatest fabricated lexicon ever created. Everyone can write anything in it. Honestly, I don't really care what you believe in, because it's not going to change any fact. Indigos and Crystallines are not a sect, not a mythical group. Nothing like this.


I agree wikipedia isn't the best source, but when your talking about a myth its no better than the new age spiritualist websites that believe this. However, since your more likely to believe those who are encouraging you in this myth, here are just a few of the characteristics of "crystalline" from one of the new-age "everyones special" websites:



* Great sensitivity to environment, the planet and the feelings of others
* Extremely intuitive
* Generally telepathic
* Socially Conscious
* Think compartmentally
* Appear very scattered in their attention
* Extremely compassionate
* Cannot abide conflict of any kind – take it personally

www.spiritlite.com...

These characteristics describe almost every single child and many adults. There are some new age "powers" thrown into the list for fun on the website, but do you see how they nearly all say "generally" or "often" before them on the website? In other words, not all "crystalline" children display those "abilities." So what do we have here when it comes down to characteristics all crystallines share? A description of the average child or young adult.


Originally posted by Dark Crystalline
So, seeing and communicating with Angels and spirits, seeing auras, knowing many things without we even learned it, it's common as you say. Okay. So in this case you know all these things. So... what's the problem here? You know what I know. You see what I see. You hear what I hear. Anything else?


Your not the first nor the last to claim theses abilities. There are names for them: they are called delusions of grandeur - but even if we were to take you seriously why don't you tell us what the beings say to you so that can be proven? Oh thats right, you can't...

Your desire to be special is amusing. Its not real, no matter how bad you want it to be. It discredits you even further when your reaction is to belittle and insult everyone as being "below you" when the facts are presented. Is your ego large enough yet?

[edit on 3-6-2008 by ALightinDarkness]



posted on Jun, 3 2008 @ 06:44 PM
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I told you, I don't care what you believes and that is bothering you. You're like a child, who is going to cry when he is not going to get an answer. And I'm not going to give an answer to a child, who cannot accept anything else, just his own false truth.

Angels are not delusions. They never was. It's not a desire at all to be something what I never wanted to be, but I'm. If you want to believe this, little child, believe it. I don't care. You're just trying to explain your truth with data, theories what OTHER skeptics gathered, not you. While you cannot experience this, you're never going to understand it.

But... you know what, here is small story from the last year. I spoken about these things, everything what I experienced and everything what I learned from my Guardian with the representatives of few religions. I wanted to learn more and wanted to test the truth of those things what I learned. I don't know why... but since that time I'm considered as a hostile element of those religions. And why? Because everything what I told them was able to shake their fake belief within five minutes, shaken the basics of their religion (And I'm talking about Major religions, not the small ones.). And why? Because everything what I learned from my Guardian is true. And they know that and they feared that. A delusion is cannot make this with a man who lived his life in the shadow of his religion in the last 40 years. That's the fact. But this knowledge was able to shake his belief within 5 minutes. And that's the primary reason why I'm not talking about it and don't even try to prove it to anyone. It's able to ruin many things, while it's right. It's able to shake the belief of people. The cause and effects of this knowledge is quite greater then you ever would be able to imagine. I need to meditate on the consequences and I'm not willing to ruin the life of anyone, just as I accidentally did with those few, whose gave up their religion after this little personal experiment and remained without faith. I'm not risking this. It's not my job to decide what religion is that you must believe. It's not my job to correct their mistakes.

[edit on 3-6-2008 by Dark Crystalline]



posted on Jun, 3 2008 @ 06:54 PM
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Originally posted by Dark Crystalline
The cause and effects of this knowledge is quite greater then you ever would be able to imagine.

[edit on 3-6-2008 by Dark Crystalline]


The word you are looking for is 'implication'.

I want to remind you of something, something very important that you may have forgotten;

We are all mere Mortals, and as such we have quite a bit of difficulty in coming to terms with our mortality.


I believe i know what it is you are afraid of placing at risk.



posted on Jun, 3 2008 @ 06:56 PM
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Why the emphasis on the darkness? Don't worry. You're not going to get an analogy from me. Sometimes she is calling me as the Darkest Crystalline of all, referring that I'm usually able to make dumb things, even if she is warning me to avoid it. Well. Sometimes, I'm not really good to follow advises, then I can hear her "I told you, Crystalline." analogy between two wide smile.


And yes, implication is the right word. Thanks.


[edit on 3-6-2008 by Dark Crystalline]



posted on Jun, 3 2008 @ 06:56 PM
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ok, here is something to ponder


what have the indigo ever done for humanities sake?

besides claiming to be special and being on tv with their parents?

whats really going on here, just asking?



posted on Jun, 3 2008 @ 07:01 PM
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This is a classical example of projection. If you don't care, why are you responding? Why do you keep insulting everyone who disagrees with you instead of looking at the evidence? What your saying is:

I'm special, and I don't have to prove it. If you don't believe me, its because I'm more evolved than you are and because your just a "average" person. I'm going to ignore all the evidence you post, and insult you instead.

I think the person approaching this with a "child like mind" is extraordinarily clear.

You cant provide proof because you have none, because its simply not true. I do not doubt you believe you are special, nor do I doubt that you believe you have some sort of extraordinary powers. Many people do. That you want it to be true does not make it true. Why is it you can't address the evidence - from a new age website that is supporting this myth, no less?

Your a classical example of someone with a huge inferiority complex. Do you even look at what you type? You claim your capable of extraordinary powers, that you rhetoric is somehow able to knock down the pillars of the worlds religions, that everything from your personal "spirit guide" is true and everyone else is wrong, those who disagree with you are stupid children, etc. Its sickening. Your displaying an arrogance and narcissism the likes of which I have rarely seen on ATS - and that is saying something.

You could use some humble pie. Life has a way of dealing with people who act like this...

[edit on 3-6-2008 by ALightinDarkness]



posted on Jun, 3 2008 @ 07:01 PM
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That's quite alright, i'm always willing to lend a hand to anyone who is attempting to acheive a higher state of intellectual being - however haphazardly they appear to be going about doing it.




posted on Jun, 3 2008 @ 07:16 PM
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There are different type of cares, not just one. I'm not caring with your insults, I'm not really caring what you want to believe. But others maybe interested in it, and I'm also giving you the respect to answer to you, even if I don't really like your style. Who said that I'm more evolved? You're starting to lie, when you cannot do anything else? You're trying to prove your false claiming with lies now?




I'm special, and I don't have to prove it.

I never said I don't have to prove it. I don't want to prove it and that's a great difference. Explanation above. And I don't think so that I ever said that I'm special. At least I surely not used this word to myself. As I said, it's daily life to me, and in my eyes, I'm not special. See above in one of my posts.




If you don't believe me, its because I'm more evolved than you are and because your just a "average" person.


Another lie. I never said that I'm more evolved then you or anyone else. Few posts ago I said, these skills are in anyone, even in you. If you don't use it, it's not my problem. But don't lie, please.




I'm going to ignore all the evidence you post, and insult you instead.

Actually because that's what you're doing since we started this nice conversation. You're trying to insult me and you're ignoring everything what I'm posted. You're just telling your own fool theories with some wikipedia info. But again, please don't lie, because I don't like that.

But yes, your reaction is the typical dumb reaction. I'm sharing you with an experience what I LIVED, what I experienced, written above, then you... prove it. It's like, I felt myself good at the beach. Okay. Prove it. May I ask how should I prove my personal experiences, my life? Answer this to me.

I feel sorrow for you, because I'm gladly writing in this thread, but you're not even want to understand what I'm writing.

Oh, by the way, my spirit guide also has a name, so don't threat her like some sort of secondary ghost element. She is a bit wiser and has more intelligence then you or I have both.

Anti-Tyrant.
English isn't my native language. I never learned it at all. Plus, I'm a bit tired, after it's almost 3am here.

[edit on 3-6-2008 by Dark Crystalline]



posted on Jun, 3 2008 @ 07:27 PM
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I'm sorry, do you two not realise you're merely serving to antagonise one another?




posted on Jun, 3 2008 @ 07:32 PM
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This is becoming humorous now. Your just going down in circles. Lets make it clear: your the one insulting people because they don't believe in your mythology. Your using circular logic - basically, you act like you won't show proof to anyone who doesn't "believe" - and yet those who believe won't require proof. Its a way of getting out of having to prove anything, because you can't do so.

Stop the games. No matter how much you project and use circular logic, I'm going to call you out on it.


Originally posted by Dark Crystalline
I never said I don't have to prove it. I don't want to prove it and that's a great difference.


Oh I see. You don't _want_ to prove it. Uh-huh. There is no effective difference. You know can't prove it because its a myth. If you wanted to truly spread the "truth" - and isn't this supposed to be what your about - it'd be very easy to silence all the critics very quickly. But you can't...because this is a myth. End of story.

Your "spirit guide" isn't here to post, and until I see any proof of it I'm just going to treat it like an imaginary friend. Your entitled to have imaginary friends, by the way, but I am not required to help you further the illusion.



Another lie. I never said that I'm more evolved then you or anyone else.


You said:



Standard people like you are never going to understand this.


Oh, I know what your going to do. You implied you were NOT standard, you implied that you were above everyone else - but didn't use the word "evolved." So I'll stop your word games before it starts - your implications are obvious, no matter how much you ignore what you said.

You have yet to post any evidence, all your doing is insulting people and telling me about how your special. Wheres the evidence? Don't have any/want to claim you refuse to show it? Then stop replying.

You've got nothing. Its very easy to prove personal experiences - if they are actually indicative of supernatural powers. Ask your "spirit guide" to make a prediction about something verifiable. When it happens, I'll shut up. Until then, these are just delusions of grandeur.



I feel sorrow for you, because I'm gladly writing in this thread, but you're not even want to understand what I'm writing.


Again...classical example of a inferiority complex.

Anti-Tryant: I am not here to antagonize anyone. Indigo children is a myth, there has been no evidence to prove it is true nor anything to even suggest it may be true. It is similar to other delusions of grandeur that have been previously tested. Until any actual evidence is offered, the symptoms of those who claim to be Indigo children are eerily similar to many psychological disorders. This is cause for concern. I hope those who believe in it get help, its not meant to be antagonizing at all. Its symptomatic of the mental health issues our society faces.

[edit on 3-6-2008 by ALightinDarkness]



posted on Jun, 3 2008 @ 07:55 PM
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Originally posted by ALightinDarkness
Its symptomatic of the mental health issues our society faces.

[edit on 3-6-2008 by ALightinDarkness]


I'll agree that those issues are rather dire, as signs of it are seen everywhere.

A problem only perpetuated by modern day media, it would seem.

I for one hope that one day psychology will be taken as seriously as the people who came up with concept intended it to be.



posted on Jun, 3 2008 @ 08:10 PM
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Feeling sorrow to someone is a superiority complex? I believe you're not clear with the meaning of empathy and feelings.

Standard people like you. Yes, I written this. Standard people, whose are not able to see beyond the borders of their mind. Those are the standard, classic, "will vanish in history" type guys, like you. It's not meaning that i'm more evolved then you at all. The one who is projecting between two of us is you. You're trying to tell what I'm thinking in my mind and what the meaning of some of my sentences are. And that's pathetic. Even from you.

You misunderstand me. I don't want to spread any truth at all. That's your mania. You're not a critics, you're just a simple man, who cannot believe that his life can be better then his current one, but he know it never will be and trying to answer something from his small collection of theories to get some answers, when he doesn't hear what he wants.

So you may continue this Anti-Crystalline, Anti-Indigo crusade, but you're not going to reach anything with it. Anyway, it's time to sleep.


It was a nice conversation with both of you. Thank you. Honestly, I really enjoyed this debate.


Oh. And Light. I have some experience from psychology and what you're making, did all over, all your responses, unfortunately that's the classic inferiority complex, combined with a bit of narcissism and egotism. So, honestly it would be better if you would turn to the close by psychologist. And this is a friendly advise. It's going to help you to overstep your barriers. Just a question. Did you ever had a PTSD? Post Traumatic Stress Disorder? If yes, that could be the source. You may solve it alone if you want, but maybe a pro could help to you better.

Bests for both of you.

[edit on 3-6-2008 by Dark Crystalline]



posted on Jun, 3 2008 @ 08:55 PM
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More examples of a inferiority complex. I am again amazed by the arrogance displayed. I hope you seek help for your mental issues. It is serious. Unlike you, I'm not trying to be insulting. Delusions of grandeur can be dangerous for you and those you love. Please be careful. Seek professional help, and soon.

Its ok to believe your special, that you have "powers," but your displaying it in a way that it has gone beyond child fairy tales and has reached to the point that you cant tell the difference between reality and illusion.

Myths are helpful tools to explain things we dont understand, but when the facts come out, its time to turn away into reality.

Projecting isn't going to make you better, its only going to make it worse on you. Please get help. You've made it clear to all that you can't face the evidence that the indigo children are a myth based on the new age need to be special.

[edit on 3-6-2008 by ALightinDarkness]



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