reply to post by Cons Piracy
freaking YAY MAN!!!
so glad to see such an exact illustration of the truth.
I was going to write an entire post on this exact thing regarding both sides of this ridiculous endless argument over
Obviously there was a "creation" .. a "beginning".. one of infinite beginnings.. and ends..
Obviously we can observe "evolution" through fossil records and in various organisms living today.
I think that biological engineering/modification is a timeless art that is harnessed by any intelligent species at a certain point in their
I think what we've seen as "evolution"... is either one of two things.
1) random mutations allowing certain lifeforms to survive changing environmental factors and circumstances that their predecessors could not... thus
eliminating all but the mutation, and their kind survive while their parents do not. (the standard ... survival of the fittest.. blabla.. doesn't
mean it's fittest .. just "fit" to survive that ONE circumstance that killed it's ancestors)
2) "purposefully programmed, genetic survival-oriented changing mechanisms" within biologically modified or engineered from scratch.. a lifeform's
genome activated through specific factors, a "dynamic adaptation"
and or "triggered upgrading"
would obviously act as not only an insurance policy for the intelligently designed organism's survival, but also act as a "planned evolutionary
path" that may have been tried and true, and be a planned and timed expansion of genetic ability, in order to cope with the external framework the
organism has built for him/her/it's self.
Let me tell you a little story-
I took a computer course back in middle school, back in the day using Commodore 64s, and we had this "challenge" where we would make a programmed
"robot" (it was only a few pixels of a square with a line pointing out of it signifying a "tank with a gun" )
We'd have to program it, and then let it loose in a room (top view) with all the other contestants, appearing in random places in the room...every
time the battle started... and see who wins... (see who survives to the last)
But we couldn't alter anything about it once it was in the battle. It had to fend for itself on its own.
A lot of the kids would form these complex "if-then" circumstantial subroutines in the programs allowing different changes of behavior due to
certain situations arising.
Any genetic engineer, especially ones engineering life as beautiful and capable as sentient, intelligent lifeforms, would, no doubt, loose out
and find their creation a failure
over time, as it encountered specific environmental situations, OR situations involving members of the same
species ... if they did not
"build in" a comprehensive "dynamic adaptation"
area of the created or modified being's genetic
Take this a step further.. and create a very intelligent species.. through engineering from scratch... OR modifying already existing primates...
And extrapolate their "probable cultural evolutionary path"... and prepare their genome in such a way.. that once exposed to specific amounts of
genome-augmenting electromagnetic radiation.. many many times more than the usual amount they're exposed to, that once exposed to that massive
amount.. their genome is programmed incredibly complexly to trigger itself into a massive systemic upgrade of genetic capability.
This timed with the exact time in the specie's culture's development, that they are literally "ready" for this upgrade.. and at least a select few
of them, are aware of this change, and capable to understand it, and cope with it, and inform the other members of the species, as to what is
Hell...If it hasn't been done to us
then man..if I
was a genetic engineer and had tens of thousands of years of other genetic engineer's work and trials behind me as to
what works.. if it was a completely ultra advanced art form...
institute that aspect of programming into the genome of my creation.
oh yeah.. i'd ALSO put in a very complex "undetectable or unremoveable stealth code" that would revert my creation to it's original glory, IF the
genome had been tampered with, by certain ...how you say....UNFRIENDLIES.... adversaries...etc...
like.. if you tried to remove the stealth code.. IF it was found... your result would not "work"... however maddeningly complex that would be is
beyond my comprehension.. but definately do-able.... somehow... by someone..
and NO it doesn't have to be done by a bearded character called "God".
just a lifeform that's intelligent enough to accomplish it gracefully and with style.
And yes the truth here also leads us to look at the "all of existence" as ... "god" (if you need to call it that) .. but i think it's incredibly
disempowering (and insulting) to characterize the infinite glory of ALL .. as one "guy".. separate from you.
I think anything close to "worship" .. would be acceptable to me.. as not completely diminishing yourself in front of this being(s) .. but more or
less... realizing they are another person just like you.. but have spiritually/emotionally/mentally.. grown and devevloped themselves to such a level
that you respect and want to achieve as well.
Humbling yourself.. watching your behavior around them .. would be as far as I'd go as "worship".
I think they'd proably think you're silly for wirshipping them, as it's contrary to the truth.. the truth that they're made of the same
mass-conciousness that you are.. that is ALL THAT EXISTS..
thanks for the thread ...
good to see some truth.
I won the robot war by the way.. mine was programmed to just go to the bottom of the room.. point upwards constantly and just repeatedly fire,
pointing upwards moving back and forth along the bottom of the room ... it's name was "Satan" uh oh oooooo
...sometimes just plain merciless barrage of defense from the bottom defeats all --- which is what we see all around us in the Machiavellian ruling
of the powers that be---- sure they survive...
a more productive method would be to self-program ourselves to work together cooperatively and just... not be robots fighting in the first place..
[edit on 30-5-2008 by prevenge]