Underwater Atlantean cities found off the coast of Cuba

I have compiled some information on this subject in another thread.

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The Myth of Atlantis

Atlantis was said to have been an island empire the size of 'Libya and Asia put together', founded by the sea-god Poseidon. It possessed a cosmopolitan metropolis, with palaces, royal courts, harbor works and waterways that constantly received sea-going vessels from afar.

For many generations Atlantis ruled the Atlantic Ocean as well as parts of the `opposite continent'. Yet soon the empire set its sights on controlling the lands inside the Mediterranean basin. It was at this point that the fair race of Athens rose up against the Atlantean aggressor and in a decisive naval battle defeated its enemy. Some time afterwards the god Zeus unleashed 'earthquakes and floods' that drowned the Athenian navy and submerged the island of Atlantis in one `terrible day and night'. The date given for this catastrophe is post 8570 BC in Plato's dialogue the Timaeus and 9421 BC in its sequel the Critias.

I have always believed that the stories of the city or island of Atlantis always referred to the Americas. People have had many theories on where Atlantis could of been. All the evidence points to the 'Opposite Continent".

Lets entertain the mainstream Idea that Columbus discovered America. Granted, I would say he RE-discovered America.

What kind of catacalysm hit the globe so hard that we forgot about a whole continent full of pyramids, civilized and indeginous cultures?

Rumours of Cataclysm

Following Columbus' celebrated landfall in the Bahamas in 1492, Spanish explorers heard stories from the indigenous peoples of the Caribbean and Bahamas that spoke of a flood which had devastated the archipelagos. It was said to have split apart a much larger landmass, killing the inhabitants and leaving the many thousands and islands and cays that remain today. Some of these stories include clues which hint at a much greater catastrophe. One from Tobago speaks of 'the ole moon breaking', while others from Venezuela and the Yucatan allude to a period of darkness, fire falling from the sky and the presence overhead of a fiery snake. Had some cosmic impact caused a massive cataclysm that devastated the Bahamas and Caribbean?

In the next picture you can clearly see the submerged land. Science has said that earth flooded 100m-180m around 9-8000bc possibly due to the ice caps melting.

Some theories claim a dramatic destruction of the western hemispehere was more likely and also corroberates with Plato and Bacon's account of the destructiojn of Atlantis.

The Carolina Bays Comet

The presence of around 500,000 elliptical craters, ranging from a few hundred metres to 11 kilometres in size, across the entire eastern seaboard of the United States, from New Jersey down to Miami, is perhaps the greatest clue. Modern theories are that these so-called Carolina Bays (after the states in which they were first noted during aerial surveys in the 1920s) were caused by a comet which entered the earth's atmosphere from the north-west over Alaska and disintegrated into millions of pieces that detonated above the ground, very much in the manner of the small comet which caused the Tunguska event in Siberia in June 1908.

The effects of the catastrophe, some time around the end of the last Ice Age, were extreme. Not only would it have caused a wall of fire and wind, which would have laid flat large areas of Tundra forest and decimated flora and fauna, but the resulting dust clouds would have created a 'nuclear winter' which seems to have resulted in a temporary re-advance of the ice fields that had covered much of North America, Europe and Asia for the previous 40,000 years. Moreover, hundreds and thousands of fragments of the comet falling in the western Atlantic basin would have produced tsunami waves of immense proportions which would have temporarily drowned both the eastern seaboard of the United States and the islands of the Bahamas and Caribbean, wiping out entire populations (a few must have got away to tell the tale, as it told in the creation myths of the indigenous peoples of both Central and North America, and also those of the Caribbean).

Could memories of this cataclysmic event have been preserved across millennia until they were recounted eventually to Spanish explorers that reached in the Bahamas and Caribbean in the wake of 1492? If so, were the same tales told to Phoenician and Carthaginian voyagers who visited these same islands prior to Plato's age? Did Plato come to hear not only of the islands which existed in the outer ocean, but also of the cataclysm which once devastated this self same region? Did it cause the landmass to be inundated by flood waters, splitting it into individual islands - temporarily at first, but then more permanently when eventually the ice fields of North America, Europe and Asia finally began to melt, causing the sea-level to rise by as much as 100 metres? Thus was the sinking of Atlantis a memory of the submergence of both the former Bahaman landmass and the low-lying regions of the Caribbean? Certainly we can say that all this took place around the very same time that Plato tells us Atlantis was destroyed by 'one terrible day and night of earthquakes and floods'. Moreover, if the Caribbean islands did once form part of Atlantis, then it would mean that part of the landmass was still above water today.

www.andrewcollins.com...


Just looking at the area in question you can clearly see the submerged ancient lands.

Interesting is the Bimini wall/road which i believe was a water retention wall as you can that it would of lay along on the ancient water way.


The Aztecs and Mayans have stories were they claim the came from the cuba area before the great disaster.

I am running out of time so i will leave you with a little tid on Cuba.

Cuba's Great Plain

The description of an island plain surrounded to the east, north and west by 'mountain ranges', matches Cuba's western plain that stretches from Havana westwards to Pinar del Río, and is enclosed on its northern and western extremes by the Cord de Guaniguanico mountain range. We also know that until around 9,000 years ago the plain extended southwards, across what is today the Bay of Batabanó, to the Isle of Youth. Here then is evidence of a vast plain, originally 540 by 160 kilometres in extent, drowned, in part at least, during the time-frame suggested by Plato.

Cuba's Cord de Guaniguanico might also be compared with the 'mountain ranges' that Plato tells us shielded Atlantis' great plain from `cold northerly winds'. Between November and February each year, Cuba is subject to bitterly cold winds, known as los nortes, or 'northers', that blow in blizzards from the eastern United States. Although these cold fronts reach exposed regions of the Cuban landmass, the Cord de Guaniguanico completely shields the western plain from the harsh winds, which would otherwise damage winter crops.

Moreover, Cuba has been identified by leading geographers as a mysterious island paradise known as Antillia, or the island of the Seven Cities, said to have laid in the outer ocean according to Moorish, and later Portuguese medieval tradition (and unquestionably borrowed from much earlier Phoenician and Carthaginian sources). More than this, the name Antillia can be shown to derive from the Semitic word root ATL, 'to elevate', which was also the root behind the name Atlas, from which we derive the name Atlantis, 'daughter of Atlas', the term used for an Atlantic island (Atlantides, 'daughters of Atlas', was the plural used in ancient times to denote Atlantic islands in general). In other words, if Antillia was merely a medieval form of Atlantis, then it further confirms Cuba's association with Plato's Atlantic paradise.

www.andrewcollins.com...

To see the information I compiled, Copy paste this link"http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread366122/pg1&mem=IvanZana"




[edit on 7-7-2008 by IvanZana]

[edit on 7-7-2008 by IvanZana]

Those are some absolutely great sattellite images, thank you very much

Howdy Ivanzana and Hollywood

Yep great images but the central question remains, why no sign of human habitation of Cuba until 8,000 years ago?

Why no sign in the sediments of agriculture or industry?

Speculating on the existence of Atlantis is fine but take the opposite track -what physical evidence do you have?

Nope Bimini is natural. Or so say the countless expeditions to it - if it was 'real' why no supporting artifacts or habitations-just beach rock?

Also why would it be so "high"

nortes, or 'northers', that blow in blizzards from the eastern United States

Blizzards???
Definition: A violent snowstorm with winds blowing at a minimum speed of 35 miles - well they get the wind especially in the hurrican season. Snow??

21C - 69.8F and 27C - 80.6F



[edit on 7/7/08 by Hanslune]

Wow...damn good job mate! Those articles about the tomb of osiris are tantalizing. Wonder what they found there?

Originally posted by Hanslune
Why no sign in the sediments of agriculture or industry?

Maybe it was very thouroughly destroyed

I wonder though... If Atlantis was in the Caribbean, how do one explain that Plato state the sinking of Atlantis barred the way to the ocean due to mud? And I find it quite interesting that Plato, as part of a maritime nation, make no mention of the obvious extreme distance. You dont exactly go to the Americas in a day when you're in a trireme...

If I would entertain the idea of submerged nations over there, I would instantly reject Platos Atlantis. But then again everyone have their Fantasy Atlantis...

[edit on 7-7-2008 by merka]

Howdy Merka

Maybe it was very thouroughly destroyed

Good point. However such a level of destruction would also leave its mark - a mark not noted in the fossils and remains of land or sea life. There is nothing AFAIK that shows a massive volcanic or asteriod type impact, nor large earth shifts.

I wonder though... If Atlantis was in the Caribbean, how do one explain that Plato state the sinking of Atlantis barred the way to the ocean due to mud? And I find it quite interesting that Plato, as part of a maritime nation, make no mention of the obvious extreme distance. You dont exactly go to the Americas in a day when you're in a trireme...

Ah the Atlantis paradox, if you accept Plato, you make it difficult to locate the city, if you reject Plato you remove your one ancient source....

If I would entertain the idea of submerged nations over there, I would instantly reject Platos Atlantis. But then again everyone have their Fantasy Atlantis...

Atlantis has been located by theory in every part of the world to include Ireland and Indonesia.

The lack of evidence is why the proposed location of Atlantis has shifted to other dimensions and planets. That lack of evidence on earth is slowly making its way into the psychic cycles of the fervent believers.

Its too bad, I'd love to have an Atlantis type civilization found but we're running out of places to look.

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Hey, let's leave Ireland out of this. As far as I know, the Irish never did anything to you.

cormac

Still barking up the wrong tree. Atlantis, if it was anywhere, was probably located just where Plato was told it was. Due west of Gibraltar. Figuring the Mid-Atlantic Ridge as a likely spot, then it was probably where the Azores are now, with the islands the only things remaining from what were once mountains. What caused the Azores Plateau to drop beneath the surface? Probably a combination of climatic changes at the end of the last Ice Age, possibly the same comet or meteor strike that created the Younger Dryas of around 13,000 years ago, which is the same ballpark age for the destruction of Atlantis.

news.bbc.co.uk...

And we're not talking about some fantasy Atlantis that built huge electric pyramids with the help of aliens. We're talking about a small but relatively sophisticated urban and seafaring culture with domesticated animals, agriculture, and simple political and legal system.

Get out of here with that fantasy crap and let's look around for some real, plausible evidence for an actual Atlantis island and culture.

reply to post by Nohup


The Azores are a good possibility, although nothing so far has shown up that hints to this type of pre-historyResearching the seamounts around the Azores


Given the volcanic nature of the islands its a maybe. Against the idea is no archaeological trace of anyone being there before the Portuguese.

The truth about the Bimini Road can be seen here
www.abovetopsecret.com...

Then the 'truth seekers' should raise the money and conduct an evax on the site. Of course digging out beachrock might not provide the answers they want to find.

Do you have link to peer reviewed published geological study that confirms they are not natural beach rock?

Watch Graham Hancock's underworld series, there are carved pillars placed underneath the blocks at each corner holding the blocks off the sea floor a couple inches

It sounds puzzling a rock formation of that length held up by carved pillars?

The beachrock wall has been investigated numerous times - how did all those people not note this. Do you have a link to a study and images that prove this?

I don't know how the researchers missed the pillars. Graham Hancock speculated that perhaps they must not have even looked underneath rhe blocks.

It's on the Underworld programs and book.

Originally posted by Hollywood11
Plate tectonics is nonsense

No, what is nonsense is your misrepresentations and misunderstanding of even the basics of geology. But I will commend you on your ability to reproduce nonsense from websites that continue to misrepresent and misunderstand* the basics of geology.
Maybe you might like to look into forearc and backarc volcanism to understand the Caribbean better, and also look into some up to date geological papers on tectonism and various configurations through the 'ages'.

This Dynamic Earth

Understanding Plate Motions

More on Plate Tectonics etc

Historical Perspective

Crustal Dynamics Data Information System

Scripps Orbit and Permanent Array Centre

These took me just a couple of minutes to find. I guess you have to know what to look for, eh?

Anyway, enjoy


* a Bushism

[edit on 25/9/08 by ChChKiwi]

This so-called volcanism you talk about indeed exists in the Carribean. However, what scientists don't understand is that what caused that land to sink into the ocean was man-made un-natural volcanoes caused by Atlantean drilling

More here-
forums.atlantisrising.com...

First you need to know Atlantis was split up into two different groups, those of the Law of One and the Belialians. Or the followers of Light and the followers of Darkness. From the beginning, the darkness was on the rise in Atlantis, and finally the repercussions of this came upon them. How? Transgressions against the Law of One (fixed Universal principles, “Laws” of the way it IS), and against those of the Earth’s nature (which is in harmony with the Law of One), were everywhere. Great harm was done to the Earth by the followers of darkness, natural imbalances were created by them. A pillar of the Law of One is that of “cause and effect”. Thus did these actions bring about the physical fall of Atlantis.

The greatest of these natural imbalances was created by drilling hugh holes in the Earth’s crust, down to the levels of molten Earth. The Belialians used the very gross physical forces of the inner Earth to generate their power. They used concentrated light energy beams (like lasers) to bore great holes in the Earth. Remnants of them can still be seen in many places, notably such as Florida, the Caribbean, and the “Blue Hole” of Belize. Creating their power plants was much like making a series of un-natural volcanoes, and it resulted in great instability and seismic disturbances. Even though they were warned of the consequences, the Belialians persisted in this un-natural activity, until it caused the Earth changes that destroyed Atlantis, and the Belialians of that time.

Before the final destruction of Atlantis, knowing the time, knowing the signs, those of the light, went to many other parts of the Earth, in order to continue their work. During the exodus from Atlantis, many followed Grand Master Thoth (pronounced ‘Toth”) to the land of Khem, now called Egypt. There he built the Great Pyramid, and other temples and places of healing, for purposes of completing their work, initiating the wise, and enlightening the ignorant. When the work was completed in Egypt they left, and went to many lands Om, Oz and remnants of Mu, now called Tibet, Europe and parts of the Americas. There was one community of Atlanteans who didn’t live on Atlantis during the great destruction. Living in total isolation from the outside world until a few decades ago, these people remained of the pure genetic line of Atlantis.

[edit on 25-9-2008 by Hollywood11]



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Yes he stated the “Ark of the Covenant” was a component of the Great Pyramid, and he made it. What do we use power for? Numerous things just look around, they also needed power to their buildings, or vehicles, including the airborne terrestrial ships such as Thoth’s. They have other communities in the world today still using this power source. I don’t know the frequency of the Great Pyramid, but I can tell you this if you want to figure it out for yourself.

In one octave of vibration is a Universe! Every octave is a duplicate of another except that it is of a higher or lower frequency. The note “A” is an “A” whether it is played in the highest octave of an instrument range, or the lowest. As the frequency of vibration increases, and goes beyond the range of hearing, it eventually comes within the range of sight. But the same Law that dictates the repeating notes of various octaves holds true. Colors are like the notes in the octave of vision. Each color has a ‘note’ – each color is a note, each note is a color. This principle allows you to find any note, in the “octave” of any vibrational frequency band. For instance, you can take the frequency of 440 for the note “A”, and keep doubling it to find the higher octaves. You can keep doubling it past the frequency band of sound, and on into the frequency band of light. You can then match your figures against the known frequencies for colors of light, and precisely determine the color of each note! Who could have imagined you could do such a scientific thing using the oldest name of God?

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[edit on 25-9-2008 by Jbird]

That's all very interesting, but there is no evidence for that. You do realise that that area has been subjected to very high-resolution geophysical surveys and that there is nothing in the geophysical data to suggest what you have proposed?

I'm not adverse to submerged areas of 'civilisation' due to eustasy etc and the human predisposition to live near to food sources and extra-littoral zones (or those near waterways or oceans) puts us 'at the mercy' of these changes in sea-level.
However, there is no physical evidence for Atlantis and, much like a good deal of the Bible, I feel that it is a myth that has been propagated, fed and watered and is now enmeshed within our mythic psychic framework.
It is most probably nothing more than the explanation for something that our passed ignorance was unable to understand.
I'd like for it to be real, but so far, the evidence says "NO".

The whole thread is loaded with physical evidence proving all of this.

There's also the fact that we have the actual tradition that survived from Atlantis, which can be proven through analysis to be the origin that all major relgions today came out of.

reply to post by Hollywood11


Sorry no Hollywood

You simply believe the evidence shows what you so greatly want to be true.

Recap for us in your own word the three top pieces of evidence that you think proves Atlantis was located near Cuba?

Your last comment was interesting, so you think all religions, the great myths themselves, all arose from Atlantis? Why would you think that?