McCain Trusted More Than Obama on Economy, Iraq, National Security , page 5

reply to post by poet1b

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I dont understand why you seem so obsessed with discrediting obama using his impoverished family in Africa. And you have yet to come up with a legitimate argument as to why Obamas credibility is affected by dirt poor family members in a dirt poor part of the world. And it is no conflict of interest to care for your family no matter your position or where they are, or what they're religion is
. the more you post this stuff the more I wonder whether you're just anti-muslim

reply to post by poet1b

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None of the votes should EVER count for either candidate in Florida or Michigan, all the democratic nominee's signed an agreement with the DNP promising they won't campaign in those to states and ACKNOWLEDGING that the votes from those two states won't count.

Hillary willfully signed the agreement, AGREEING that the votes won't count due to the party rules they broke!

Please watch this video!

Hillary Accepted & Signed the DNC rules Barring MI & FL !


Those votes shouldn't count!

And if you still want more reasons why those votes shouldn't be counted.

How The Clintons Would Disenfranchise Florida And Michigan Voters

The Clintons repeatedly say, when making their "count Florida and Michigan" argument that 2.3 million voters cast ballots in these States, and Hillary often adds that the 1.7 million turnout in Florida was the highest ever for a Democratic primary. Sounds impressive. But guess what? I compared the number of persons who cast ballots this year in each of the other top ten States to the number of persons who voted for John Kerry in the 2004 general election. In every single State where both candidates campaigned -- meaning every State but New York, which Obama ceded to Hillary and Illinois, which Hillary ceded to Obama -- the turnout was at least 75% of the Kerry vote. (CA: 75%; TX: 103%; PA: 79%; OH: 85%; NC: 107%; GA: 79%; as for IL and NY, IL: 70%; NY: 44%).

In contrast, in Michigan, the percentage was a paltry 24% and in Florida the percentage was 44%.

That tells me that counting Michigan and Florida would disenfranchise a large number of voters who did not vote, because there was no campaigning and/or the voters there thought the contest would not count and so did not bother to vote.

Bottom line, a lot of voters didn't vote because it wasn't going to count!

The delegates can not be given out fairly according to the way the voting turned out because the election wasn't participated by everybody who would have voted if they knew it WAS going to count!

Hillary just wants to tell them "tough luck", we're going to count them anyway?

Hillary's just clutching at straws!

And as for her having the "popular vote".

Hillary's Popular Vote Notion only 'Popular' with the Punditocracy

It is incomprehensible to me that Mrs. Clinton can seriously be touting the notion, with the support of the punditocracy of CNN and Fox, that she is leading in the popular vote and should therefore be seriously considered as the most electable candidate in the November election.

*****SKIP*****

And what about us? What about the American people? Haven't we had enough of Mrs. Clinton's mad antics in her pursuit of the realization of venal personal ambition; her 'say anything, do anything, no matter what' effort to manipulate our all too willing media to gull this country's populace into believing that her wretched illegitimacy is indeed legitimate. How much mendacity do we have to suffer, how much brazenness do we have to swallow before someone, anyone, has the decency, the common sense, to relieve us of this terrible trifle, this pathetic madness?

[edit on 5/31/2008 by Keyhole]

reply to post by projectvxn

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Why are you ignoring Obama's relatives in Africa pushing Muslim agendas? Why are you playing games instead of addressing the points I have made? I said nothing about Obama's impoverished family, I am talking about Obama's wealthier family members in Africa with considerable political influence and activism.

Are you going to pretend that Obama's winning of the U.S. presidency will not give Obama's very politically active Muslim relatives in Africa a great deal of power right from the beginning? You are being daff.

reply to post by Keyhole

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Did all the voters in Florida and Michigan sign an agreement to not have their votes counted?

Back room political arm twisting should not be allowed to disenfranchise the votes of people who have a right to their say in this primary, especially not such a huge block of voters who would completely change the outcome of the primary.

Here is the big reality that all the Obama, and psuedo Obama supporters want to ignore, and that is that Hillary would probably have won these states by an equal or larger margin than she has already won these states.

To not count Florida and Michigan would be an affront to democracy.

Originally posted by poet1b
#1) Did all the voters in Florida and Michigan sign an agreement to not have their votes counted?

*****SKIP*****

To not count Florida and Michigan would be an affront to democracy.

#1) No, but if they are Democrats, they already knew their votes weren't going to count!

#2) Well, funny how that suited Hillary fine at the beginning of her campaign (see the video in my other post above, again!), SHE AGREED with the DNP's ruling that those states wouldn't be counted due to the DNP's rule they broke!

Funny how everything was fine and dandy with Hillary about Florida & Michigan votes not counting in this election UNTIL she started LOSING the election!

Or was she LYING AGAIN when she said she agreed that in these two states that the votes wouldn't count in this election?

Should we just chalk it up to ANOTHER one of Hillary's lies?

Hillary Caught Lying More Than Once

Hillary's List of Lies

Admitted Lies

• Chelsea was jogging around the Trade Center on Sept. 11, 2001. (She was in bed watching it on TV.)
• Hillary was named after Sir Edmund Hillary. (She admitted she was wrong. He climbed Mt. Everest five years after her birth.)
• She was under sniper fire in Bosnia. (A girl presented her with flowers at the foot of the ramp.)
• She learned in The Wall Street Journal how to make a killing in the futures market. (It didn't cover the market back then.)

Whoppers She Won't Confess To

• She didn't know about the FALN pardons.
• She didn't know that her brothers were being paid to get pardons that Clinton granted.
• Taking the White House gifts was a clerical error.
• She didn't know that her staff would fire the travel office staff after she told them to do so.
• She didn't know that the Peter Paul fundraiser in Hollywood in 2000 cost $700,000 more than she reported it had.
• She opposed NAFTA at the time.
• She was instrumental in the Irish peace process.
• She urged Bill to intervene in Rwanda.
• She played a role in the '90s economic recovery.
• The billing records showed up on their own.
• She thought Bill was innocent when the Monica scandal broke.
• She was always a Yankees fan.
• She had nothing to do with the New Square Hasidic pardons (after they voted for her 1,400-12 and she attended a meeting at the White House about the pardons).
• She negotiated for the release of refugees in Macedonia (who were released the day before she got there).

She probably WAS LYING when she sais she agreed with the DNP's ruling that Florida and Michigan shouldn't be counted!

There are two kinds of people you can NEVER trust, thieves and LIARS!

reply to post by poet1b

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The good senator speaks of his family in this YouTube interview.

www.youtube.com...

It's in the middle of the interview about 5 minutes in.

reply to post by projectvxn

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What ever Obama says does not change the fact that Obama getting elected President of the U.S. will give his very political affluent and politically active Muslim relatives in Africa massive amounts of clout. Obama claims he isn't a Muslim either, but but the evidence says just the opposite.

Obama's World Charity plan will wind up aiding the Muslim take over of Africa. To pretend otherwise is to delude oneself.

reply to post by Keyhole

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Everything was never fine and dandy about denying the people of Michigan and Florida their vote, from the beginning it was a stinking crock. Hilary never agreed that their votes should not be counted, read her carefully written agreement.

If the Democratic party does not want to follow the principles of democracy, which is exactly what they are not doing, then it is the right of people like myself and other Hillary supporters to abandon the democratic party, and that includes super delegates running for office that support Obama. If the DNC can't abide by the principles on which the party was founded, then good riddance.

This ruling for the DNC is curtains for Obama's campaign, and maybe the DNC in the long run.

A great many Hillary supporters prefer McCain's moderate stance more than Obama's socialistic stance anyway.

Originally posted by poet1b
reply to post by projectvxn

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What ever Obama says does not change the fact that Obama getting elected President of the U.S. will give his very political affluent and politically active Muslim relatives in Africa massive amounts of clout. Obama claims he isn't a Muslim either, but but the evidence says just the opposite.

Obama's World Charity plan will wind up aiding the Muslim take over of Africa. To pretend otherwise is to delude oneself.

What tells me you're on to something is the fact that the MSM NEVER brings this subject up. It would seem like an obvious issue to at least discuss, so why doesn't the MSM even talk about? It can only be because they don't want to talk about it.

Originally posted by jamie83

Originally posted by poet1b
reply to post by projectvxn

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What ever Obama says does not change the fact that Obama getting elected President of the U.S. will give his very political affluent and politically active Muslim relatives in Africa massive amounts of clout. Obama claims he isn't a Muslim either, but but the evidence says just the opposite.

Obama's World Charity plan will wind up aiding the Muslim take over of Africa. To pretend otherwise is to delude oneself.

This MSM brought this up quite a while ago. And this is the reason they don't say anything about it anymore:



What tells me you're on to something is the fact that the MSM NEVER brings this subject up. It would seem like an obvious issue to at least discuss, so why doesn't the MSM even talk about? It can only be because they don't want to talk about it.

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These 4 videos is why the media doesn't cover this crap anymore. Fox news started this lie spread it to every moron in America, and here we are debating BS.

reply to post by poet1b

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You asked me to address an issue and when I do you say "whatever"? This doesn't help fact finding, what the hell happened to ATS? I thought this place was about denying ignorance, not ignoring information. I have read every article you have posted, tried my best to answer every point of contention, and your response to me is "whatever"?

Ridiculous.

reply to post by projectvxn

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You have yet to address the facts that I have clearly pointed out. Your counterpoint consists of trying to change the subject, lots of smoke and mirrors, all of which amounts to ignoring the facts I have pointed out. All this propagand nonsense/opinion pieces/excuse making does not change the fact that Obama being elected president of the U.S. will give his family massive amounts of power in Africa, especially combined with this huge give away of U.S. tax dollars to the U.N. to do as they please in Africa.

Obama funding huge amounts of money going to Africa will clearly enable his family there to continue to push their agenda for the Muslim take over of Africa, and I do not want to contribute to this.

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