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McCain Trusted More Than Obama on Economy, Iraq, National Security

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posted on May, 30 2008 @ 03:45 PM
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Originally posted by jamie83

The only reason I trust McCain more than Obama on the economy is because McCain *might* err on the side of Reagan-like conservatism, whereas Obanma is going to err on the side of intellectual, Marxist-like theories he's learned from his intelligentsia buds.

If Obama's theories don't worked, the U.S. economy and military is TOTALLY FUBAR. If McCain gets in, at least the Dems in Congress might keep him from totally screwing up EVERYTHING.

I'd take Ron Paul in a heartbeat.


Hmm what is Obamas 3 policies on economy you dont like? What is his military policies you dont like?




posted on May, 30 2008 @ 04:17 PM
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Originally posted by mybigunit

Hmm what is Obamas 3 policies on economy you dont like? What is his military policies you dont like?


Economy:

1. When Obama is speaking in Ohio, I really don't like his policy about doing away with NAFTA, but when he's speaking in California and Texas, I don't mind his take on NAFTA so much.

2. The Cap and Trade system is going to be a total disaster on every front, and is going to cripple U.S. industry's ability to compete globally with what amounts to a pollution tax that's NOT going to lessen pollution at all. It's only going to take more profits away from the private sector to be redistributed by the government.

3. He wants to continue to support the ethanol industry which is not only doing nothing to put a dent in the use of oil, it's also causing food prices to rise.

4. The expansion of the Family Medical Leave Act to businesses with only 25 employees. I run a small business that's barely getting by now. This would potentially put us out of business.

5. Increase in minimum wage. Again, we are barely getting by. This would cause us to not hire inner city kids in the summer and instead have the guys that are currently employed work overtime.

6. Obama wants to reinstate the PAYGO rules which do nothing but give the Congress the OBLIGATION to raise taxes to pay for their cockamamie programs.

7. His entire health care system is going to be a total disaster and lead to lower quality of care and higher prices.

8. Obama will increase foreign aid to $50 billion per year, paying for this by increasing the taxes on the wealthiest Americans. I'm sorry, but redistributing more money from U.S. citizens to third world governments doesn't seem like the right thing to do. If our own infrastructure was flawless, then maybe. We need to take care of our own problems first.


MILITARY

1. Obama's plan to immediate withdraw troops from Iraq will allow the U.S. to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory. Iraq will deteriorate and will quickly fall under control of the Shiites, backed by Iran.

2. Obama's pledge to stop the development of new military systems is just plain stupid.

3. Obama's plan to totally eliminate the U.S. nuclear arsenal by negotiating a deal with Russia is naive.

4. Iran. Obama promises to pay off Iran with economic investment if Iran stops their "problematic" behavior. This will give the green light to every two-bit dictator in the world to increase their "problematic" behavior in order to get financially rewarded by the U.S.

I know that's more than you asked for, but I just typed these up off the top of my head. Some issues are more problematic than others. Generally, Obama's policies look like a compilation of white papers from the Council on Foreign Relations website. That's troubling to me.



posted on May, 30 2008 @ 04:33 PM
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McCain has been in D.C. for over 25 years!

This country needs change, McCain has been a part of leading this country to where it is now for a quarter of a century.

If your looking for a change in our government, McCain is not the man to do it, he has been a part of the system for toooo long! He is PART of the problem.

McCain doesn't want change!

If McCain becomes president you will just see the same things over & over again.

If you're voting for change, McCain surely wouldn't be the man you would want to vote for!

[edit on 5/30/2008 by Keyhole]



posted on May, 30 2008 @ 04:36 PM
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Mind if I take some liberties with your post???

Let's go back in time 8 years to the year 2000:


"Gore has been in D.C. for over 25 years!

This country needs change, Gore has been a part of leading this country to where it is now for a quarter of a century.

If your looking for a change in our government, Gore is not the man to do it, he has been a part of the system for toooo long! He is PART of the problem.

If Gore becomes president you will just see the same things over & over again.

If you're voting for change, Gore surely wouldn't be the man you would want to vote for!"

Now, want to try giving me a better reason to vote for Obama other than he's going to change things?



posted on May, 30 2008 @ 04:37 PM
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Originally posted by jamie83


Economy:

1. When Obama is speaking in Ohio, I really don't like his policy about doing away with NAFTA, but when he's speaking in California and Texas, I don't mind his take on NAFTA so much.
NAFTA he has been sketchy on I totally agree. The fact is though NAFTA has ruined this country a lot more than we have gain IMO anyways. It has caused us to lose millions of jobs over seas and it isnt fair to us for this reason. We the USA are doing all the consuming. If NAFTA was fair to us then we wouldnt have as high of trade deficits as we have been having. Im for NAFTA but a fair NAFTA where our products are available to everyone. Right now we dont have that hence the big deficits.


2. The Cap and Trade system is going to be a total disaster on every front, and is going to cripple U.S. industry's ability to compete globally with what amounts to a pollution tax that's NOT going to lessen pollution at all. It's only going to take more profits away from the private sector to be redistributed by the government.

Wont Disagree There


3. He wants to continue to support the ethanol industry which is not only doing nothing to put a dent in the use of oil, it's also causing food prices to rise.
You know something people have said that ethanol is causing the food prices to go up but I say its more because oil prices are going up and the prices of oil are going up because of our government spending all sorts of money that we dont have which I will address in another point....


4. The expansion of the Family Medical Leave Act to businesses with only 25 employees. I run a small business that's barely getting by now. This would potentially put us out of business.

I dont see the big deal there because its UNPAID leave not paid and its only for a specific few reasons. I own a business also with 13 employees and we all multitask so when stuff like that comes up we all dont wear only one hat.


5. Increase in minimum wage. Again, we are barely getting by. This would cause us to not hire inner city kids in the summer and instead have the guys that are currently employed work overtime.


We have needed an increase in minimum wage for 5 to 10 years now. This last boom all the wealth went right to the top plain and simple as that. With all of these rising prices you think $5 bucks an hour can cover $4 gas. Cmon man.


6. Obama wants to reinstate the PAYGO rules which do nothing but give the Congress the OBLIGATION to raise taxes to pay for their cockamamie programs.
Now I will address this issue above. Government is going to spend money regardless until we have a real change in washington like the one RP wants to bring. Both Dems and Republicans spend money like there is no tomorrow the only difference is the Republicans put it all on the charge card (add to our national debt) where as dems think we need to pay as we go. Pay as you go keeps a strong dollar because your not adding all sorts of money to the debt and printing all sorts of money we dont have. As you see a strong dollar is needed to keep oil and food low and a strong dollar has not been a strong point for republicans because they print all sorts of money they dont have. If people have to pay as we go maybe people will wake up and get the government to change their ways instead of fooling people into thinking we have all sorts of money. Keep in mind even though the government didnt raise taxes you are still paying all the spending through the inflation tax and I promise you that is alot more than a small tax increase where you can find many right offs to lower it down.


7. His entire health care system is going to be a total disaster and lead to lower quality of care and higher prices.
Agree but I also dont think we should have to pay for the governments either. They work for us and if we have to pay for our they need to pay for theirs.


8. Obama will increase foreign aid to $50 billion per year, paying for this by increasing the taxes on the wealthiest Americans. I'm sorry, but redistributing more money from U.S. citizens to third world governments doesn't seem like the right thing to do. If our own infrastructure was flawless, then maybe. We need to take care of our own problems first.
Totally agree but once again Bush has been a posterchild for this.


MILITARY


1. Obama's plan to immediate withdraw troops from Iraq will allow the U.S. to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory. Iraq will deteriorate and will quickly fall under control of the Shiites, backed by Iran.


We need to get over this policing the world an nation building. As you see form what I said above it costs us a lot of money to have this policy so if you like high taxes and high oil then you will continue this war in Iraq because they are DIRECTLY related no matter how much they try to spin it.


2. Obama's pledge to stop the development of new military systems is just plain stupid.
I havent heard him say that.


3. Obama's plan to totally eliminate the U.S. nuclear arsenal by negotiating a deal with Russia is naive.
Hvent heard him say that.


4. Iran. Obama promises to pay off Iran with economic investment if Iran stops their "problematic" behavior. This will give the green light to every two-bit dictator in the world to increase their "problematic" behavior in order to get financially rewarded by the U.S.
Hmm we deal with a lot of dictators right now ever hear of China or Pakistan or Vietnam?

The fact is there is no difference for the most part between dems and repubs. They are 2 evils with us having to choose between one of them. But when you have to choose between 2 evils you are still choosing evil. Vote Ron Paul if you want a real difference. Plug Plug



posted on May, 30 2008 @ 04:39 PM
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Had Gore, or Kerry for that matter become president the country, imo, would be in an even worse situation then it is now.



posted on May, 30 2008 @ 04:42 PM
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If time in washington was a case I wouldnt be able to vote for Ron Paul either though so I have to disagree you can be in washington just look at the voting records and if they have been voting on the bills that have put us in this situation then they are no different and should be treated as such.

"Judge by their actions not their words" Thomas Jefferson



posted on May, 30 2008 @ 04:45 PM
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Not trying to get you to vote for anybody!

This is just the way I perceive McCain. He is not a man who likes change or likes to be told he is wrong (or maybe what he voted for in the past was wrong). We don't need another president who sees himself as "the all knowing one" again and who won't listen to rational voices. He is a very hard headed man with a temper who doesn't like to be told when he is wrong! He'll have none of it, and that will get this country into trouble!

Again, not trying to get you to vote for anybody, in fact, I didn't even read your post above mine 'til after I posted mine, Guess I was just venting MY perception of McCain is all.


[edit on 5/30/2008 by Keyhole]



posted on May, 30 2008 @ 05:01 PM
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Thanks for your take on the issues. I can see your point on the areas where we don't agree. Watch the video I posted and you can hear Obama say some pretty outlandish things about his views on disarming the U.S.



Honestly, I'm really disgusted with the corporate Republicans who dismissed Ron Paul out of hand before the race even started. He was the ONLY candidate that made any sense, and didn't come across as a shill.

With who is left, we're screwed no matter who wins. I hate to say it, but the glory years of the U.S.A. are long over.

HEY... why isn't anybody talking about social security? With the U.S. demographics, this sure be a major topic of discussion, but none of the candidates even mention it.



posted on May, 30 2008 @ 10:15 PM
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K I watched the video Im not sure what the big deal is about cutting down our nuke arsenal. We have enough to destroy the earth 3 times I mean is that really necessary? If everyone agrees then Im in agreement but it cant be just the US disarming and no one else.

I happen to be for arming space. If China is shooting down satellites then there is no reason why we shouldnt be able to defend that. Im not for policing the world or nation building but I am for having the best damn weapons money can buy so if war does have to happen we are the best armed in the world. Think how much better technology we would have if we didnt spend that 1 trillion in Iraq and put half of that towards weapons for real threats.



posted on May, 30 2008 @ 10:40 PM
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I hate that my vote "won't count", because I am writing in Ron Paul for president. So, if I want my vote to count then should I decide who has the best chance between the Democrats and Republicans to win the White House and then vote for that person? That, I think, is the truly wasted vote.



posted on May, 30 2008 @ 11:31 PM
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Im going to scream my head off if Obama gets elected.Thats just wrong.

I hope Mccain builds up our aging fighters....they still wont send the f22 to combat yet.

[edit on 30-5-2008 by alienstar]



posted on May, 31 2008 @ 12:22 AM
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Don't worry it's an early poll. And when the debates start it won't be long before McCain loses his cool or his brain or both. This poll proves nothing as it is important to voice the concerns of the people. McCain seems little interested in what the people want. He's Concerned with furthering the Bush agenda and offers NOTHING different to the table other than more what? War crimes? Divisive propaganda? No thanks, and with the most recent developments, it's going to be a lot harder to convince the American people that we should vote for him based on experience. Especially since his experience doesn't seem to be helping him figure out that we're all being BS'd. Hello! McCain! Vietnam, where you were tortured, would have never happened if it hadn't been for our government lying and faking an act of war. Jackass.



posted on May, 31 2008 @ 02:45 AM
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Sourcing huffingtonpost.com voids any argument you had. Why dont you just start using [hate-site-nolink] or aljazeera.net?



posted on May, 31 2008 @ 10:15 AM
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With all the senators and congressmen that are elected in your federal
government how many actual political parties are represented .
Please dont tell me that that is all there is either rep or dem surely this great democracy of yours must have a broader sprectrum than just two parties.



posted on May, 31 2008 @ 10:20 AM
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I don't know what the point of such a poll is.

You in the USA are being asked to choose between Beelzebub and Lucifer as far as I can see, and that is no choice for genuine change.

Your nation needs someone with entirely different ideas and a different frame of reference such as that of Ron Paul or perhaps Bob Barr.



posted on May, 31 2008 @ 12:58 PM
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How many of you are aware of Obama's world charity program? Obama wants to obligate a percentage our nations GDP to be sent to third world nations as charity, especially Africa.

I don't know how many of you have read up on what happens with charity funds, but most of it winds up going to the brutal dictatorships and oligarchies that control these countries, and winds up being spent on buying weapons. What aid does arrive winds up creating a growing population that depends entirely on foreign aid. When the foreign aid is cut back by lack of funding or the local war lords demanding higher bribes, the U.S. gets blamed for causing the misery.

I don't know about the rest of you people, but I don't want to fund the ever increasing power of warlords in third world countries, nor do I want my children obligated to pay debts built up to help Obama's relatives take over Africa and establish the Muslim religion throughout Africa.

www.abovetopsecret.com...


[edit on 31-5-2008 by poet1b]



posted on May, 31 2008 @ 01:07 PM
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You had me until the whole Muslim thing. Again. Firstly the spread of Islam in Africa has been around longer than you, me, and Obama put together(with respect to our combined ages). But I'm sure that's not important to you...Obama is the one spreading Islam in Africa..Never mind centuries worth of Islamic influence already there.

Talk about a baseless accusation.



posted on May, 31 2008 @ 01:20 PM
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While McCain has moved to the right to win the repub nom, he is not GW. Obama is far more GW than McCain. Obama is the one with the idealistic but unrealistic agenda who campaigns on the themes of change, with the being a uniter and not a divider theme.

Obama wants to bail out all the people who bought houses that they can not afford. So is Obama gonna help all of us who realized what a terrible deal the ARMs were, and chose to wait for the whole real estate bubble to collapse before buying, to pay for grossly over priced housing. Why only help people who made foolish choices in buying a home. Shouldn't all prospective home buyers get the same government assistance?

Does Obama have a plan to help the working poor? His church thinks that aspiring to be middle class is not an acceptable goal. How can anyone think that a guy who goes to a church such as this has any respect for the middle class.

As far as temper tantrums go, when I watch Obama, I see a man barely in control of his emotions. Obama's back turning stunt at the state of the nation address proved just how emotionally immature he is. I think it is just a matter of time before Obama completely looses it in front of the press. Then there is Obama's wife. She looks like a walking time bomb. If Obama gets the nom., and the repub attack machine gets into gear, be ready to watch the Obama's explode in public. It will not be a pretty site to see.

Here is how I think McCain would run our country. McCain is more Reagan than Reagan was. Let's face it, for most of the time Reagan was in office, he was pretty much out of it with Alzheimer's, and the Bush family ran the country. McCain will not be a big welfare guy, he will be a guy who encourages entrepreneurialism. But, unlike the Reagan/Bush I/Bush II years, McCain will prosecute corporate scammers and con artists. McCain will stand up for the middle class business endeavors, and work to represent all those who who are working to help themselves. McCain represents the best shot free market supporters will ever have to prove that the concept can work. I doubt it can, but I think McCain would be far better than Obama, who want to return us to the welfare state.



posted on May, 31 2008 @ 01:23 PM
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Obama certainly didn't start the process of the Muslim colonization of Africa, that has been going on for centuries, and now that Europeans have pulled out of Africa, with Saudi money funding the adventure, Muslim expansion in Africa has accelerated. Obama will simply pile on to support the political ambitions of his relatives in Africa. Go to Obama's churches website. Africa is their goal.



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