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McCain Trusted More Than Obama on Economy, Iraq, National Security

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posted on May, 30 2008 @ 11:41 AM
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McCain Trusted More Than Obama on Economy, Iraq, National Security


news.yahoo.com

When it comes to the economy, 47% of voters trust John McCain more than Barack Obama. Obama is trusted more by 41%. When it comes to the economy, 47% of voters trust John McCain more than Barack Obama. Obama is trusted more by 41%. The latest Rasmussen Reports telephone survey also found that, when it comes to the War in Iraq, McCain is trusted more by 49% of voters. Obama is preferred by 37%. McCain has an even larger edge—53% to 31%--on the broader topic of National Security.
(visit the link for the full news article)



[edit on 5/30/2008 by bigbert81]




posted on May, 30 2008 @ 11:41 AM
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That's it. Proof positive that some voters are some uneducated, dumbed down folks who don't do enough research at all. Or, they're letting their intolerance for another candidate blind them.



The issue of economics is not something I’ve understood as well as I should

-John McCain

Here is a recent thread I've done regarding McCain and the economy:

McCain Latest Economic Proposal Seen As Incoherent

And then there's this article:



If any needed evidence of McCain’s weakness on the economy was needed, simply witness how he has dealt with the need for economic stimulus. After last week’s debate in South Carolina, U.S. News wrote that the question of whether the economy needs a stimulus “vexed” the GOP front-runners, who “appeared unaware of the fiscal stimulus debate currently happening in Washington and being closely watched by Wall Street.”

At that debate, McCain said:

“I don’t believe we’re headed into a recession,” he said, “I believe the fundamentals of this economy are strong and I believe they will remain strong.”

In the course of seven days, McCain appears to have reversed course, offering his own stimulus package:

“The fact is we have some tough times ahead,” McCain told supporters in Columbia. But he said the U.S. economy will rebound. “We will get through this rough patch,” he said.

Instead of offering direct middle-class relief for individuals, McCain is proposing cutting the corporate tax rate by 28.5 percent. Douglas Holtz-Eakin, McCain’s top economic adviser, said his approach is to simply let someone else deal with the problems affecting working Americans. “The best course of action is to let the Fed handle it.”


SRC: thinkprogress.org...



At a recent meeting with the Wall Street Journal editorial board, Republican presidential candidate John McCain admitted he "doesn't really understand economics"


SRC: www.huffingtonpost.com...

And then if we go ahead and match this up with the STUPID gas tax plan which would cost us an estimated 300,000 jobs, I'd say McCain is the LAST person I'd want to trust on the economy.

Gas tax info: www.nytimes.com...

news.yahoo.com
(visit the link for the full news article)

Oh, and as far as the war goes, I can see why people would be behind him on Iraq and national security due to the fear tactics the Republicans have been using lately. However, check this out:



It is looking increasingly like John McCain really knows nothing about Iran, despite wanting to bomb them.

Yesterday, in his big non-proliferation speech, McCain took his gaffes to a new level. He actually invented 20 years of negotiations between the United States and Tehran.


SRC: www.huffingtonpost.com...

Do we REALLY want someone who doesn't know what's going on?

Not to mention this:



Sen. John McCain, traveling in the Middle East to promote his foreign policy expertise, misidentified in remarks Tuesday which broad category of Iraqi extremists are allegedly receiving support from Iran.

He said several times that Iran, a predominately Shiite country, was supplying the mostly Sunni militant group, al-Qaeda. In fact, officials have said they believe Iran is helping Shiite extremists in Iraq.

Speaking to reporters in Amman, the Jordanian capital, McCain said he and two Senate colleagues traveling with him continue to be concerned about Iranian operatives “taking al-Qaeda into Iran, training them and sending them back.”

Pressed to elaborate, McCain said it was “common knowledge and has been reported in the media that al-Qaeda is going back into Iran and receiving training and are coming back into Iraq from Iran, that’s well known. And it’s unfortunate.” A few moments later, Sen. Joseph Lieberman, standing just behind McCain, stepped forward and whispered in the presidential candidate’s ear. McCain then said: “I’m sorry, the Iranians are training extremists, not al-Qaeda.”

The mistake threatened to undermine McCain’s argument that his decades of foreign policy experience make him the natural choice to lead a country at war with terrorists. In recent days, McCain has repeatedly said his intimate knowledge of foreign policy make him the best equipped to answer a phone ringing in the White House late at night.

McCain was in Jordan leading a week-long Congressional delegation and has stressed that the trip was not political, despite the decision to hold a fundraiser in London later this week.










[edit on 5/30/2008 by bigbert81]



posted on May, 30 2008 @ 12:36 PM
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I just find it cute, and highly disturbing that McCain is being pushed at us as the only 'Conservative' one to vote for.

Why in the world are Conservative voters not PISSED at this insult to their intelligence? (must be lack thereof if they are falling for it)

EDIT to add to short post, typo

[edit on 30-5-2008 by LostNemesis]

[edit on 30-5-2008 by LostNemesis]



posted on May, 30 2008 @ 12:45 PM
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They are pissed about it.

Unfortunately for the Dems out there, they're also not falling for 'it'. The 'it' in this case is the left's attempt to divide the conservative vote and hand Obama an easy victory.

Conservatives learned that lesson in the 90s.



posted on May, 30 2008 @ 12:46 PM
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Because some people are blinded so much on ideology that they dont see the real world. The fact is these people are the people I refer in to my avatar the sheeple. They follow whatever certain people say and dont want to hear or see anything else. In McCains defense though there are people like that on both sides of the spectrum. Thats why people need to be libertarians and I think more people are than they realize but due to the propaganda that they see and hear on places like fox news every day they are in this deep type coma.

BTW I think its funny Murdoch says Obama will win.



posted on May, 30 2008 @ 12:51 PM
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Originally posted by vor78
reply to post by LostNemesis
 


They are pissed about it.

Unfortunately for the Dems out there, they're also not falling for 'it'. The 'it' in this case is the left's attempt to divide the conservative vote and hand Obama an easy victory.

Conservatives learned that lesson in the 90s.


So vote for someone that you cannot stand or dont like his policies because he is "conservative." Let me ask you a question what does it mean to be "conservative"?



posted on May, 30 2008 @ 12:53 PM
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That's it. Proof positive that voters are some uneducated, dumbed down folks who don't do enough research at all. Or, they're letting their intolerance for another candidate blind them.


Eh? Political bigotry? .. Not surprising.

I trust a Republican over a Democrat when it comes to the economy. I trust a Democrat over a Republican when it comes to National Debt. I trust a Republican over a Democrat when it comes to national security. I trust a Republican over a Democrat when it comes to war. I trust a Democrat over a Republican to fix the social programs. I trust a Democrat to keep jobs in America. I trust a Republican not to raise my taxes, and expect it from a Democrat.

Oh damns.

Looks like im an average fence sitter when it comes to politics (that are available).

And ironically I agree 100% with the story, I trust McCain over Obama when it comes to Iraq, Economics, and national security.

Then again I don't trust Obama at all I think hes an idiot. I think the Dems could have found a much better candidate.



posted on May, 30 2008 @ 12:54 PM
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Well, very good descriptions given about what is going on. People needing to side with the WINNING TEAM, and of course no one thinks there is an alternative. FAUX news must be telling them the truth.

I always did like your avatar mybigunit. Libertarian... Umm, equates to Constitutionist, right? I think more people ARE libertarian than they think. The Constitution and what it stands for is nothing new. It is nothing 'extreme'. I don't see how many people can side with what mainstream media says and think the Constitution and what it stands for, can be bad for us.



posted on May, 30 2008 @ 12:55 PM
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Originally posted by Rockpuck

Eh? Political bigotry? .. Not surprising.

I trust a Republican over a Democrat when it comes to the economy. I trust a Democrat over a Republican when it comes to National Debt. I trust a Republican over a Democrat when it comes to national security. I trust a Republican over a Democrat when it comes to war. I trust a Democrat over a Republican to fix the social programs. I trust a Democrat to keep jobs in America. I trust a Republican not to raise my taxes, and expect it from a Democrat.

Oh damns.

Looks like im an average fence sitter when it comes to politics (that are available).

And ironically I agree 100% with the story, I trust McCain over Obama when it comes to Iraq, Economics, and national security.

Then again I don't trust Obama at all I think hes an idiot. I think the Dems could have found a much better candidate.



LOL Well put I was just going to go into something similar with Vor when he answers my question on what is a conservative....star for u sir.

Wait one edit I dont agree with the McCain statement....you want real change vote Ron Paul and dont vote for either of the 2 party dictatorship.

[edit on 30-5-2008 by mybigunit]



posted on May, 30 2008 @ 12:58 PM
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Libertarians and Constitutionalist are different ideologies, and actually different Political parties.

Many people think they are Libertarians, then turn around and say "state rights? Whats that?" and idiotic oxymorons like "im a libertarian, lets get better national healthcare yay!!"

I would say most who claim to be libertarian are actually just fence sitters, middle of the road voters.

A real Libertarian is extremely conservative, in fact, spectrum wise you can't get any further right. Some policies like dropping national "crime" laws against drugs appear to be liberal, but in fact are highly conservative.

I consider Republicans to be Liberals.



posted on May, 30 2008 @ 01:01 PM
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I'm not telling you that its a great idea, but that is what is happening.

And in reality, a fair portion of the Republican base is happy enough with McCain. He's not their ideal candidate, but they're willing to accept the differences. Even the more anti-McCain conservatives will usually tell you that they agree with him on most of the issues.



posted on May, 30 2008 @ 01:01 PM
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How are people supposed to vote for people like Ron Paul and Jesse Ventura when the Mainstream media tells us they are no longer in the race???

Honestly, Ron Paul was on my ballot for crying out loud!!! But holy &%$#, the people who wanted to vote for him did NOT do what I did, so did not get to vote for him...?

In Oregon, you may only vote for the party you are registered as. Back in February I registered as Republican so I COULD vote Paul. Everyone else I know is registered 'Independant' and didn't even get the primary ballot to vote?? I got to choose between Ron Paul, and John McCain. Registered Demoncrats got Hillary and Obama. INDEPENDANTS DID NOT GET TO VOTE AT ALL



posted on May, 30 2008 @ 01:02 PM
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I have a thing with McCain.

McCain is the only person from the Republican Part aside from Ron Paul that I wanted to see in the White House.

McCain changed face, become a Politician and not the down to earth average Joe he used to come off as. Hell, he used to piss Republicans off more then Paul, and the Bush Admin HATES McCain.

Paul however, did not change. Which is why I support him.

Then McCain decided he can be "conservative" and liberal by allowing MExicans in and some other bs. Just trying to get votes.

Then I am torn that, once in office he might go back to the way he used to be, before changing to fit the political mold. Who knows, I sure would prefer McCain to Osama. I mean Obama.



posted on May, 30 2008 @ 01:03 PM
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Originally posted by vor78
reply to post by mybigunit
 


I'm not telling you that its a great idea, but that is what is happening.

And in reality, a fair portion of the Republican base is happy enough with McCain. He's not their ideal candidate, but they're willing to accept the differences. Even the more anti-McCain conservatives will usually tell you that they agree with him on most of the issues.



Ill ask again what does it mean to be conservative? I can tell you the answer if you would like me to.



posted on May, 30 2008 @ 01:04 PM
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The votes are State Constitution based laws. It is not a "right" so to speak, so it was not "they did not get to vote" but rather, then had no reason to vote.

Voting rights and laws are confusing to the vast majority of the population.



posted on May, 30 2008 @ 01:10 PM
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mybigunit, do describe what it means to be Conservative.


RockPuck, I thought voting was a Freedom. A Right. Why make it so difficult for an average person to get a vote in for who they want? Especially if no Conspiracy is involved, whatsoever? I understand what you are saying... But I don't think it is right.



posted on May, 30 2008 @ 01:13 PM
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Yeah, you can vote for your state to recommend a presidential candidate. You can vote for your Governor, you can vote for your senator.

However, the primaries are not freedoms.. technically all parties have to elect their leader, who then competes for Presidency.

But an Independent has no allegiance, so why would they vote for one party or the other? Some states let them, some states don't. It's a state's right to choose.



posted on May, 30 2008 @ 01:14 PM
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Sooooo, you're looking at party lines as opposed to admissions that McCain doesn't know economics? Oh, and PROOF?



posted on May, 30 2008 @ 01:15 PM
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Does it matter how *I* define conservatism? No.

In the end, all that matters is how the 60 million Republican/conservative voters define it this fall.



posted on May, 30 2008 @ 01:17 PM
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No President has been an economist.

In fact, most have been lawyers, trial lawyers, doctors or professional politicians.

The President does not have a "direct effect" on the economy, but rather restrictions placed on industry.

Democrats tend to be strict, republicans tend to be liberal about it, and offer a more liaises-fair type approach, keeping government out of the economy via laws and restrictions.

I don't see why a President has to be good at economics. He's got people for that.

SO I guess you could say that I trust McCains people more then Obama's People.



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