Originally posted by dbates
Originally posted by Mad_Hatter
Christians are the main ones ranting and raving in this thread... Again putting 2 cents in where it is not needed.
I never mentioned Christians since that wasn't the topic. The only group I spoke of was Creationists. I don't know why you would try to change the
subject. This is sort of a deflect and distract tactic isn't it? Go back and read
my post and point out where I mentioned Christians because I don't see
Are you implying that only Christians are Creationists?
Oh you bet they are dbates, but this thread asty has come up with is just more of the same thing we see from Atheists attempting to gain back there
Astyanax was the very reason I spent several months away from this place after a debate I had with him about calvinist's like myself.
Back then the CiR threads were ruled by Atheist's with their big guns coming into each and every thread shutting down confused Christians /
Creationists. I say it that way because I think dbates is dead on with his question they use the term christian / creationist semantically and Asty
has used the term presumptuously often enough there is no question that dbates inquiry is one they cannot deny. Having said that, I don't think
anyone has a problem with it unless they are NOT a Christian or not a Creationist per-se.
Frankly, I was expecting a thread like this sooner or later from this very individual but their is a divisiveness to it and I am not talking about the
positive affirmations made about Simon Gray.
The CiR is now the second busiest part of ATS, but Asty's suggestion this is due to the disenchantment of what he calls FT's leaving is not exactly
true and he isn't bothered by that either. In spite of his denial regarding any positive affirmations brought about by Creationist OR Christians,
Asty has chosen to write about something that has happened as a result of those same Christians he calls creationists.
This is about turf and nothing more.
ATS is not only healthy, it is thriving moreover I will make the assertion that it is the very people he claims are killing ATS that have made the CiR
threads the second most popular threads at ATS.
Not only is asty right about some of the offline efforts to get reinforcements but he is right about the offline organization too.
That is just scratching the surface however.
In spite of my shyness and meek posting style, I spoke quite candid of a turf war here where I was determined as many others to come back and change
the demographics of membership here and myspace. Not only that but to force Evolutionist / Atheists to earn their time on threads with a few of our
own strategies not to mention giving them a taste of their own. That taste is still in there mouths as what I see as the reason for this thread.
Basically it is fear of loss asty is hiding behind the guise of his concern for ATS when what it really is about is his losing battle with
creationists and a much kinder gentler Christian / Creationist who no longer back down from people who portray themselves as Scientists having
gullible Christians thinking they are any smarter anymore intelligent than those who pose as Science officiandos when they are anything but
Snail mails to garner more memberships using the Church and it's finacial influence isn't something beneath us, in fact I would admit being involved
in such schemes myself if no others do. It's called referals of like minded individuals and a needed augmentation to the Evolutionists who still out
Their is no shame in my game when it comes to what astyanx stands for and what I oppose.
I am a creationist dogmatic as hell and a devout Christian who defends my worldview as close minded as asty denies being closed minded and dogmatic
This is nothing more than a spin off of an experiment tried before by a Christian where we saw Atheists defending something other than an attack on
Atheism but just to see who would come out of the woodwork.
Like most threads where you can actually see a theme in the messages of groups or strategies as asty suggests with his tag team allegation, I saw that
going on with Atheist / Evolutionists long ago even if some deny it, there is no question that the Atheist's and Evolution are attached at the hip.
Not being one to create threads for reasons I won't disclose at this time, someone DID. It was regarding the gullibility of specific tenets of
Evolution by someone who could match wits and intelligence with the best of the so called scientific community. She is a Christian Apologist an
area of Christianity that has grown exponentially to offset the attack on religion that was rampant on ATS and she is one of the best I have ever had
the pleasure of knowing.
AshleyD's thread "the gulibillity of Evolution was just getting underway when it was suggested we tweak the threads topic to exploit suspicions we
had always thought existed but never could substantiate using ATS as a benchmark. Many others I believe asty would mention by name if he wasn't so
concerned about being polite not dragging there names through the mud are, in his words "notorious" and while he has been facetious saying anything
good about them, it is I beleive those creationists he is talking about and those Christians I am referring too. I don't think anyone tag teams on
either side of the fence but I am certain there are close friendships off ATS that discuss threads and post there or who their best friends are and
most dreaded foes.
This isn't about Astyanax concern for ATS,, this is just another clever attempt by the slick one himself to get rid of those confounded new breed of
Christian Creationists by hook or crook or even wild theories about creationists destroying ATS. Astyanax,
Good Luck with that.
- Love Con
[edit on 30-5-2008 by Conspiriology]