Originally posted by Yosimitie Sam

The atheists and psuedointellectual superior science crowd are the biggest cry babies I've seen on this site. Much worse than the religious. Shameful with all their superior acts

Well at least we're back to the broad baseless generalizations.

Is that a step forward or back?

Either way we've come full circle to where we started from.

Originally posted by Astyanax
You would know that if you had been following the action from the start.

So that's all you've got? What if I were tell you that I have been following it from the start? Now what does that make you and your remark?

I've really no interest in your arguments with undo, atlasastro and OmegaLogos.

Then stay out of it. If you've no interest in our arguments then don't attempt to come between our characters and try to, obviously since you've no interest in us, draw banal paralleled generalizations between us.

Knowing your record, I'm placing my bets on you.

You know why I always get the last word? Because I silence my opponents, but not because I run off crying to the owners... because it sinks in through logic that evidentially and eventually what is being presented is undeniable.

Why are the creationist-bashers in this thread failing to notice that approximately half the threads started concerning Christianity or creationism are not even started by believers? Even the original poster's last four threads had something to do with religious topics. It seems some people have an unhealthy obsession with what they apparently despise or are irritated by.

Many times threads by non-believers are started in order to ask the believers questions. Go look through the CIR, Faith, and O&C forum to see what I am referring to. There are tons of threads directed to believers from non-believers. So what's the deal with saying believers are taking over or destroying ATS when we're not always the ones bringing up the subject? It seems the 'other side' has an equal interest in these topics whether they want to admit it or not- even if the interest is just to debunk religion. Either way, they are the ones talking about it just as much.

This whole thing seems pretty one-sided. If I made several threads asking evolutionists or atheists to explain something to me, I wouldn't have much room to talk or to act disgusted with the topic or treat them like spammers. After all, I asked for it by making those threads.

Hopefully this post will get some of the complainers and staff to think about this. Even many members who applauded the O.P. have made several threads relating to religious topic or at least are frequently seen discussing religion in threads others have started. So they really have no room to talk.

[edit on 6/26/2008 by AshleyD]

LOL that's some pretty funny stuff LOVE dude. The Astyanax whine and complainthread is about all it amounts to!! No group is destroying jack squat. The atheists and psuedointellectual superior science crowd are the biggest cry babies I've seen on this site. Much worse than the religious. Shameful with all their superior acts

Have to agree with this since its their complaints that motivated the owners to make changes to the forum in order to satisfy the complainers paranoia.....I know only one (count em - one) believer on this site on a first name basis that I have u2u-d outside the forum...this does not a conspiracy make - we do not have an organized method of posting as in ganging up...the OP of this thread is simply another way of baiting and bashing folk with a different point of view - ie. believers who hold an alternative view of the origins of man and the universe...

When I first came on ATS/BTS (I am a newbie) I was truly shocked at the level of hatred spewing from some quarters for people(believers) they do not know, and may never meet....since then I have come to expect it, and am now aware of the spirit to whom I address my remarks

Originally posted by madnessinmysoul
asty sees a group as destructive or, at the least, highly disruptive to the flow of normal operations and discussion in a civil manner, so there's an obvious complaint to be made

MIMS, I could easily make a thread pointing out the same behavior from certain atheist members and can guarantee you the thread would also be flooded with stars, flags, and members agreeing with me. It is a real problem around here. Like Realshanti above, I was also shocked when I first joined ATS and saw the caustic attitudes directed towards Christians. Not to mention thread after thread after thread being derailed.

I see such comments from Christians all the time saying something along those lines: 'When I first came to ATS... Oh my!'

There is hardly ever a religious topic on ATS that isn't eventually blessed with the presence of off topic religion bashers. It messes up the flow of conversation every time. I don't plan to make a thread about it because I'm tired of the drama but I can't understand how Gigatronix can see it works both ways but nobody else can.

Anyways, I have truly said all I can say on this subject. My above comment was due to the fact after all this went down, I had made a point to stay out of all the heated threads dealing with religion/creationism and have been spending more time on BTS and in 'laid back' topics. But then I kept seeing thread with titles like, 'Creationists Explain This,' 'Bible People Answer This,' 'How do Christians explain this,' 'What does the Bible say about this,' etc. and thought I would come into this thread one last time to point it out.

I really have no interest in returning to this thread and will be unsubscribing from it yet again.

Since this thread is pretty much going nowhere, lets put a fresh conspiracy spin on it.

Anybody care to speculate as to who this Asty imposter is going around trying to smear him? I got a u2u from someone with a very similar name(so similar I actually thought it was him at first) with some very disturbing imagery. I've heard others have gotten similar messages.

What's up people? Is this really what it's coming to?


[edit on 26-6-2008 by Gigatronix]

[edit on 26-6-2008 by Gigatronix]

Originally posted by AshleyD
MIMS, I could easily make a thread pointing out the same behavior from certain atheist members and can guarantee you the thread would also be flooded with stars, flags, and members agreeing with me.

and pure idiocy gets flooded with stars, flags, and shared sentiment on this site, so it's really not that surprising

It is a real problem around here. Like Realshanti above, I was also shocked when I first joined ATS and saw the caustic attitudes directed towards Christians.

really?
i noticed that the attitudes of christians tended to be caustic when i joined...though it was a generally more friendly attitude all around

you might want to go and dig some stuff up from that time period to demonstrate what you're talking about. such statements can sure as hell support a case if people aren't paying attention, but i like to have some backing.

Not to mention thread after thread after thread being derailed.

I see such comments from Christians all the time saying something along those lines: 'When I first came to ATS... Oh my!'

"oh my! atheists actually have a free voice and aren't actively oppressed!"

honestly, i hear that too, but the shock just comes from actually meeting resistance
unless you'd like to succeed in proving that there's a particularly caustic attitude towards christians on this site, something many have tried and failed to do

There is hardly ever a religious topic on ATS that isn't eventually blessed with the presence of off topic religion bashers. It messes up the flow of conversation every time.

really?
i find it quite the opposite. many atheists even put in curious queries to better understand those we disagree with

at times, some of us try to open up religious discourse to understand things better...

I don't plan to make a thread about it because I'm tired of the drama

well, it'll also save you the trouble of being proven horribly wrong

Originally posted by madnessinmysoul
you might want to go and dig some stuff up from that time period to demonstrate what you're talking about. such statements can sure as hell support a case if people aren't paying attention, but i like to have some backing.

well, it'll also save you the trouble of being proven horribly wrong

Calling my bluff, eh? Here is one early example. I never said anything to deserve what the below member said to me and had been having a civil discussion with several non-Christians on that thread:

Talking to one of 'gods warriors' is like to talking to a wet sack of doorknobs. They have one thing in mind and that is the destruction of all who will not see things their way. I laughed myself silly also at the ridiculous links that nutcase posted...These 'warriors' for god are the most demented and twisted bunch on the planet. You can tell by the way this nitwit writes she has blood dripping from her fangs....

There are many examples but I remember that particular exchange because it was the first time I ever became so fed up I resorted to the alert feature. Things like that happened almost daily when I was new. Not just to me but to Christians in general.

But didn't we already have this exact discussion on Sizzle's thread? How quickly we forget. The examples I used of comments that that had been directed towards me were so terrible a mod had to snip them out of my post. Surely you remember because the post that was snipped was a reply to you to show you how it works both ways.

There were also two antagonists in particular that followed me around to whatever thread I was in and tossed my name around in threads where I hadn't said a word. Two mods eventually stepped in and told them to back off. Then there is one member who has been banned multiple times but kept making new accounts after the previous ones would be banned. The final encounter I had with him was when he called me a whore b****. Then there are the U2U taunts and profile spamming I have mentioned in past threads. The fun never ends. Why are you asking me to bring this all up again?

Well, that is my story in a Reader's Digest nut shell but I could go on until the server crashes. Other Christians have similar tales. There is no point in citing endless examples because you and I have gone around and around on this issue before but you continually refuse to see what Christians endure on here.

The thing is, MIMS, is that I and many other Christians can admit there are some over the top Christians on ATS that make us cringe. I've even had some Christians on my ignore list in the past. Why can't you admit that it works both ways? It is almost delusional at this point for anyone to say it is all one side's fault and our own side never, ever does anything wrong.

And please don't think I'm crying about it or playing the victim. I am sick to death of the atheist vs. Christian feud and am simply answering your question on this subject again. Honestly, I am over it, have forgiven everyone, ask everyone to forgive me for the times I have lost my temper, and am trying to stay out of threads like this one from now on that serve no other purpose than to bait and cause hurt feelings. There is not a single member here I hate although I do have a mental list of people I now avoid.

I am not trying to get anything started up again with this comment and have finally reached my 'zen' point where it doesn't faze me anymore. Both sides have sunken to low levels when we should have walked away, myself included. Can you acknowledge that it is not just one side? In my opinion, you would have to be blind to not see it. Even atheists on this and other threads have acknowledged partial responsibility in the long lasting feud.

[edit on 7/2/2008 by AshleyD]

Go Creationists!!!



I'm with you all the way. There IS a Creator, imho, beyond a doubt.

However... I came to that conclusion myself, through PERSONAL experience and reflection. I've posted my thoughts on the subject many times in multiple threads over the years and it is now as clear as spring water to me.

I got me a Creator but no bunch of fellow followers.


The reason I am agnostic is that I refuse to 'join a group' of those who have a condensed version of what I believe... I'm not Jewish, nor Christian, nor Muslim, LDS, Protestant nor any other type of controlled 'group think'.

I prefer a direct relationship with the Creator instead of one filtered through some kind of 'club' like organized religion.

THAT'S what this is all about... it isn't the creationists that are the subject of this thread... it's the off-shoot clubs and the unoriginal, impersonal they continually spew.

pure science = the search for answers regardless of what ANYONE else says.

many people who extol the current definition of science as superior to anything else, have ignored pure science. they'll tell you it's pure science anyway, but only in those instances where they will try to use some part of it to prove their position is superior to anyone else's - such as, i know that gravity exists and does what scientists say it does because i can test it in my own environment.

that some of the data fits what's observable, helps cement the rest of the data, lends it credibility. but pure science it is not, no more than a person telling half the truth is practicing pure science. (makes it more believeable though). ommission of some details helps in this regard, such as fudging the dating because you're that sure you were right about something else, no matter how many times controversial data arises to prove your initial theory wrong.

if it were pure science, they'd throw out their science books and go do the tests themselves before believing a word of it. they'd go dig up the fossils. they'd date them. they'd be sure the process wasn't negatively impacted by other data. they do the chemical analyses. they'd start from ground zero, and determine the answers for themselves.

NO ONE DOES THIS, not even the guys who are active in science. they rely on the findings and traditions of the people before them.

so pure science does not exist.

Has it happened yet, has ATS been destroyed.
Have the creationist destroyed ATS yet. I guess all the creationist bashing saved ATS from certain doom.
Damn, were else can the creationist go to do this.....