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posted on Jun, 13 2008 @ 05:53 PM
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Originally posted by JesusisTruth
first off I do understand that, and you sir do not know the circumstances of those events which shows your ignorance as I was testing you and you fell into it, now the reader knows...


Isn't deception against your book? When and where convenient, eh? And yes, I do know the psychiatric circumstances of those events and why they were manifested as such.


next I want to add... that you are not open are closed..


I am neither open or closed. I told you this. I simply refute ignorance.


well many scientists are religious... because they see something deeper in creation for chance to just do this...


No, they are religious because religion rules this planet and that's where their idea of something deeper comes from; it's actually pretty simple and no God needs to be involved and no God is involved, except for in your mind. ;-)


having faith, like I said comes from deep souls and souls who see that a God did all this....


You liar! My eternal invisible dog created the Earth.


You say you are scientists and itellectual.. So what... what does that have to do with God? Science has not proven evolution nor has it disproven God...


My logic disproves God. This is a physical existence and universe, you say God is non-physical. Then God doesn't exist. Quite simple, really.


so therefore you are of a disproven theory that hasn't solved anything, yet it knows alot, but not everything.. To say you know everything, then you can be so sure.. But you do not know everything and do not keep an open mind...


Wow, delusions, delusions... where did I say that I knew absolutely everything? I certainly know what isn't. *yawn*


can you disprove God?


Yes, your God. My God can only ever be proven.

I guess We're starting another 4 page rumble of disproving your god, don't worry, you'll bow out soon enough when you realize your God is false, illogical and unevidential.

Warning: Remember, you chose to do this. You can opt out at any moment and protect your insanity.

[edit on 13-6-2008 by LastOutfiniteVoiceEternal]




posted on Jun, 13 2008 @ 05:57 PM
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Originally posted by JesusisTruth
Lastoutfinite = delusional...


The difference here is you provide no evidence. If you actually go back and read the previous 7 pages you'll see how the idea of your God doesn't exist. Of course I don't expect you to do this. So I'll spend 2 more days of my life explaining to a lazy monotheist why its idea of God is completely detached from physical reality.


you saying they are crazy minded is nothing more then a judgement and shows your close mindedness...


Yes. I am judgemental, as are you. You reveal your judgement of me by saying that I am judgemental. I also have an ego and I am lustful. Anything else? It really shows your close mindedness and unawareness of your own actions. You know to tell someone that they are being judgemental takes judgement Mr. Jesus.


and furthermore... saying God = delusion means you give nothing a chance.... that has to do with a God you cannot disprove.


I already gave nothing a chance.
It never appeared, ironic or expected?

Well, just saying things over and over again won't make them true. Remember. I'm waiting for your proof.



posted on Jun, 13 2008 @ 06:02 PM
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You will blow out soon enough when i porve hes false "

you are a piece of work... for real.. you can't disprove anything... you truly are arrogant...


" Isn't deception against your book "

Oh so the miracles are automaticallt deception? because you say so? please..... you just bunched all of the saints who seen miracles into a judgement that you put on them.. the reader knows this.. I hope they do..



" I simply refute ignorance "


let me get this strait.. you cannot disprove God, science cannot and cannot prove evolution, yet you are refuting ignorance? You are the definition of close minded...



" no they are religious because the world is ........."

No, sceitnists are not forced into being religious... some people actually have deepness brother and chose to believe.....

If the world wide religion was the car stealers club, does that mean I just sign up and join because it's shoved down our throats?

pure ignorance..



posted on Jun, 13 2008 @ 06:05 PM
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" you have to "

No what I did was an observation.. calling you judgemental is the obvious..... not a judgement...

If I said you were evil, then that's a judgement...

If I obsevre that a person is riding a bike and they are is that a judgement? but if I say that they stole that bike then that's a judgement..


" waitjng for proof "


So am I... disprove God for me... you cannot..



posted on Jun, 13 2008 @ 06:08 PM
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have a good day Last out,,, I can't do this nomore... you are pure circular argument bait...

have a good one... just wait a while and you shall see..


God bless you...



posted on Jun, 13 2008 @ 06:27 PM
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Originally posted by JesusisTruth
you are a piece of work... for real.. you can't disprove anything... you truly are arrogant...


Well, are you going to make an attempt at proving God's existence? If not you can read back the past 7 pages (like I said, I don't expect you to do this, your type are fairly lazy)


Oh so the miracles are automaticallt deception? because you say so? please..... you just bunched all of the saints who seen miracles into a judgement that you put on them.. the reader knows this.. I hope they do..


I was talking about you... Gosh... this is going to be a ride
Another one that can't follow the conversation. Remember? "which shows your ignorance as I was testing you and you fell into it, now the reader knows..." That is deceptive. Go read the definition of deception. Yes, miracles are deceptive too. To tell me that God did it and that there is nothing more to it, and ask me to just sit around and have faith and not study the phenomena is deceptive and manipulative.


let me get this strait.. you cannot disprove God, science cannot and cannot prove evolution, yet you are refuting ignorance? You are the definition of close minded...


Have I said anything about evolution? Nope sir, I haven't. Please try harder to get is straight. And yes, I can disprove God. I'd like to first hear your argument for God's existence. Yes, I am refuting ignorance.


No, sceitnists are not forced into being religious... some people actually have deepness brother and chose to believe.....


Yeah, in fact they are, by people like you. No some people are forced as a by-product of their world and its dogmatic institutions


If the world wide religion was the car stealers club, does that mean I just sign up and join because it's shoved down our throats?


No, but if you became a scientist you'd inherently be attached to figuring out this "car stealer" phsycosis because it's so stupid to steal people's cars.


pure ignorance..


Yeah, yours.

[edit on 13-6-2008 by LastOutfiniteVoiceEternal]



posted on Jun, 13 2008 @ 06:36 PM
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Originally posted by JesusisTruth
No what I did was an observation.. calling you judgemental is the obvious..... not a judgement...


Well sir, an observation with a formulated decision or opinion is a judgement.


judg·ment
1. an act or instance of judging.
2. the ability to judge, make a decision, or form an opinion objectively, authoritatively, and wisely, esp. in matters affecting action; good sense; discretion: a man of sound judgment.
3. the demonstration or exercise of such ability or capacity: The major was decorated for the judgment he showed under fire.


You judged.


If I said you were evil, then that's a judgement...


Yep, that's a judgement ALSO.


If I obsevre that a person is riding a bike and they are is that a judgement? but if I say that they stole that bike then that's a judgement...


There's no difference, but what you are saying by telling me that he stole the bike without having proof that he stole the bike, then you are assuming, just another type of judgement. Everything that we do is a judgement.


So am I... disprove God for me... you cannot..


First you've gotta prove that God exists. My premise is that God does not exist, your God is unknowable and non-physical and has no attachment to physical reality.

My God however is the universe, and all of the universe, including murder and sin. My god is omnipresent and omniscient and omnipotent in its ways.

Your God on the contraire is nothing more than my invisible dog. For me to attempt to begin to disprove your God you must first explain what your God is.

[edit on 13-6-2008 by LastOutfiniteVoiceEternal]



posted on Jun, 13 2008 @ 06:40 PM
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You are just trolling this thread to insult Christians.
I'm surprised that calling people 'lazy', 'psycho' and 'stupid' (yes, you called individuals such.) hasn't gotten you nary a warn.
You've gone on and on for PAGES about your superiority!
You think you have an open mind, but, you also have to open your heart.
Belligerence and Hatefulness isn't an attribute.

EDIT to add;

PLEASE stop the definitions for common words............

Oh! And where did the topic of this thread go?

[edit on 13-6-2008 by Clearskies]



posted on Jun, 13 2008 @ 06:41 PM
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Originally posted by JesusisTruth
have a good day Last out,,, I can't do this nomore... you are pure circular argument bait...


You reap what you sow. To call another judgemental means that you have made your own judgements. To demand tolerance means that you are not being tolerant. A truly tolerant person would never demand tolerance because in doing so this person is showing that they are not tolerant.


have a good one... just wait a while and you shall see...


I won't be waiting for God if that's you're implying. I have my invisible dog right here.


God bless you...


Irrelevant. I don't know what your God is, only what it isn't.



posted on Jun, 13 2008 @ 06:45 PM
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Originally posted by Clearskies
You are just trolling this thread to insult Christians.


If you call presenting facts and showing correlation through evidence an insult to ignorance... then I could agree.


I'm surprised that calling people 'lazy', 'psycho' and 'stupid' (yes, you called individuals such.) hasn't gotten you nary a warn.


I don't recall calling any individual stupid in this thread. I have called individuals lazy, and proven why they are being lazy. I have also shown why individuals meet the criteria for schizophrenia and delusion with crisp evidence. My intent is not to insult, only to deal with the information being presented to me with logic and fact.


You've gone on and on for PAGES about your superiority!


I don't recall saying anything about my superiority in this thread. I guess I am a great example though if it's that obvious.


You think you have an open mind, but, you also have to open your heart.


That might kill me. I'd rather keep my heart the way that it is, it seems to be beating fine.


Belligerence and Hatefulness isn't an attribute.


Yes, in fact they are.


PLEASE stop the definitions for common words............


Then understand them. Until you do I will continue to enlighten you.



posted on Jun, 13 2008 @ 06:59 PM
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Originally posted by undo
we can see/feel the EFFECTS of the wind but not the wind itself.
at least, not without
the tools of faith that help us see what wind is composed of and how
it is that we feel it even though we can't see it.


No, no undo. Remember faith is belief in something not based on proof. The effects of wind are proof of wind's existence. Wind is created through barometric pressure; being in an atmosphere where barometric bars that are closely spaced will form areas of higher winds, in one with those that are further apart will have lesser winds.

I don't have to put confidence or trust in wind, all I have to do is objectively study it. We can not objectively study your God because you claim it to be omnipresent yet invisible and unfathomable.

Those are tools of faith. I don't have any tools of faith, but I know how wind is created. It's not even about confidence or trust, or belief in something without proof, it's about what is.



posted on Jun, 13 2008 @ 09:18 PM
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It's all in your perspective. I have books i believe have truth in them. You have books you believe have truth in them. I believe some of your books as well. you don't believe any of mine. It's all about perspective.



posted on Jun, 14 2008 @ 02:20 AM
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Well then . . .

I've been cordial and patient, as much as can be expected with you . . . so now i'm going to have to resort to pointing out something quite obvious; which you apparently cannot understand, or simply refuse to accept.

When you've been impugned by

your own pretentious remarks,

your lack of basic knowledge,

myself (& the ORLY Owl!),

Isaac Newton,

and your very own quotes;

(respectively)

all within the same post;

It's time for you to shut up, because

Your credibility is gone.




EDITED BELOW

more of your delusional fodder to add to the fire


Originally posted by LastOutfiniteVoiceEternal I don't recall saying anything about my superiority in this thread.


[edit on 6/14/2008 by JPhish]



posted on Jun, 14 2008 @ 04:55 AM
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Doesn't observing the cat collapse the wave function?

Yes, but it could collapse it to either of the superposed states. The cat could just as well be alive when observed.


[edit on 14-6-2008 by Astyanax]



posted on Jun, 14 2008 @ 06:32 AM
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Originally posted by JPhish
Originally posted by LastOutfiniteVoiceEternal I don't recall saying anything about my superiority in this thread.


Here is another schizophrenic post. It's intent unkbeknownst to me, it's meaning absent of any substance.

When you can provide a source for me saying that I am superior in this thread then you have an argument, otherwise again, all you're revealing is your psychosis and your visual propaganda.

So, I'll be humbly waiting for you to dig up that post where I said I was superior, and I'll still be copasetically patient regarding your attempts at explaining the quotes that you have me saying in that post of yours that you just sourced and my inqueries as to what the quote about you stating that your family is athiest and that you were raised athiest really means. (since you are still YET to answer)

I can take a bunch of your quotes and put a picture of an owl next to it saying ORLY, too. Does it mean anything? No, only that I have a bunch of your quotes with an owl next to it saying, ORLY.

With no explanation of what you are attempting to convey to not only the reader but also the person you are replying to (me) that only leaves you to be equated into a visual propaganda machine because you can't seem to use your intellect or logic for the life of you.

Maybe you're still angry because you said God is unknowable but you continued to define it? Your intellect seems to repeat its incessant depeletion as we stroll along.

I have said that I am pro logic, pro truth and pro intellect. If you do not stand for these atrributes then yes, I am superior to you.

Quite frankly, my side of the debate so far against all creationists in this thread has been extremely superior.


[edit on 14-6-2008 by LastOutfiniteVoiceEternal]



posted on Jun, 14 2008 @ 06:37 AM
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Originally posted by JPhish
Your credibility is gone.


[edit on 6/14/2008 by JPhish]



posted on Jun, 14 2008 @ 06:39 AM
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Originally posted by undo
It's all in your perspective. I have books i believe have truth in them. You have books you believe have truth in them. I believe some of your books as well. you don't believe any of mine. It's all about perspective.


No, as I said: Mine is not about a belief. What I know, I know for certain. It's not contained in a book, it's contained in nature. Your book, however has nothing to do with nature.

It's not about perspective, it's about what is vs. what isn't. Probability mechanics, c'mon. The wave function of your God isn't even present because it's non-existent. We can't even test it. Oh wait... you never even cared to study the true depth and content of Shrodinger's cat.



posted on Jun, 14 2008 @ 07:01 AM
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^^^^
^^^^


There is still a reply to that post waiting for your response. Incantatory inculcations won't change the discussion.

As I said, for some odd reason (schizophrenia) think that saying something over and over again will change the facts AND the language.

If you scroll down the page I have a well structured reply for you in reference to the source you've presented that you are yet to respond to and therein yet to explain the responses of your reply. Is it this difficult for you to carry a conversation?

Don't start what you can't finish. It looks like you're giving up, not only that but you can't admit that you're wrong about your God, that still failed to provide evidence for, only illogic ramblings of a brainwashed mad man.

Like usual one of you comes in here, digs a hole, gets burried and runs away. Intermittently making an appearance to either flame or use visual propaganda.

So, someone who claims that God is unknowable (JPhish) but continued to explain the ever unknowable and invisible God has NO CREDIBILITY whatsoever to be attempting to call into account another's credibility.

I see what this is, you're angry. You've realized that you can't carry a debate with someone of superior intellect so you've resorted to instigation techniques and visual propaganda.

I have replied to every quote that you have presented in the source that you linked, and to the aristotle quote. I've already stood on top of arostotle, he was no Giant, I gained no new perspective.

Call me a psychic but I have a feeling that your consequential posts are going to consist only of repetitively spamming your utter failure and inadequate understanding of a two sided conversation.

Hang on, because I have more coming for you.



posted on Jun, 14 2008 @ 07:02 AM
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i'm not a physicist. And I'm legally blonde. Verifiably so.
Be that as it may, I do like to think, philosophically


So i'll restate the original concept:

Whether or not the cat is alive or dead in the box, if you observe its state, you collapse the wave function. So you have to step out in faith that the cat, in either state, is in the box, for it to be a success.
IF you observe the cat, the wave function collapses.




[edit on 14-6-2008 by undo]



posted on Jun, 14 2008 @ 07:39 AM
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It looks like you're giving up, not only that but you can't admit that you're wrong about your God, that still failed to provide evidence for, only illogic ramblings of a brainwashed mad man.


LastOut, I'm not sure if JPhish ever indicated being a religious man. Seems like I read him mentioning he was an atheist. I could be wrong.



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