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posted on Jun, 13 2008 @ 04:29 PM
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Originally posted by Astyanax
Nah, you see, that's the thing, people focus on the cat.


Well, let's show these guys and gals how it's done, shall we?


If you open the box at exactly the half-life moment, for example, the probability of the cat being alive or dead is exactly fifty-fifty. But of course the only truly half-dead cats are metaphorical ones, so when you open the box Tabitha either leaps out looking for a catnip mouse...


And of course the only true probabilities for this example are half life speculations. Here we have no ratio of actual occurences of which to contrast possible occurences against. We will however, after the experiment is fully carried out have one actual occurence of which to counterpoint with.

Reality on the other hand from a reference of foresite is an eternally simultaneous synchronicity of probability, a probability that only exists in the premonitions of the Human mind. Yet absent of eventual apprehension such probabilities whisk to be missing. These 50/50 possible probabilities only exist as a result of delusional prediction and in fact are really nothing less than predisposed impending reaction as a summation of energetical interconnection and interaction.


...or has gone to her eternal reward.


Haha. That's a funny way of putting it... what exactly is the reward?


That's the point. The 'collapse of the probability wave function.' Opening the box will result in the cat either being alive or dead to the guy who opened the box. To the cat, it's a different story.


This all being said, I don't agree with or support probability theory and quantum superposition. I do embrace quantum mechanics and/or the objective study of the sub-atomic universe.

For example, I leave state ψ as is examined.

P(ε)=tε|ψ(x)|2dx --- ? ? ? ?

[edit on 13-6-2008 by LastOutfiniteVoiceEternal]




posted on Jun, 13 2008 @ 04:35 PM
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Ugh, okay. I've learned my lesson. Double post. What's with the top of the page new post lag?

[edit on 13-6-2008 by LastOutfiniteVoiceEternal]



posted on Jun, 13 2008 @ 05:02 PM
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lastO, you are to wise in your own conceits... keeping an open mind to God is just as much as us having tolerance towards others...

proof will be given to your soul at the judgements seat and you will be face to face with the one who i seen do miracles and work wonders in my life.. and it's not far off.



posted on Jun, 13 2008 @ 05:09 PM
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Do you have any evidence or proof of this?

No, I'm not tolerant of what someone is telling me will happen to me in my future unless they can provide evidence. I don't deal with psychics, they are a scam.



posted on Jun, 13 2008 @ 05:11 PM
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Clone btw are created but the ones created have no souls... as Mary prophecied and the saints about cloning when man would try and become God.. but what they are creating are shells without souls..

God puts that unique personlaity in a soul..and this is why he created two humans Adam and Eve... then after this all lifeform had to grow from a sperm into a baby into a fully grow human..

not just being created into a clone human without going through a mothers womb and going through growing up and that's the difference between mans attempt to creat humans and Gods.. and what they creat are zombies.. without souls... as Mary said...


anyways.. this will all end with WW3 because they also create nukes which will destroy us soon and antichrist will come shortly after this..


peace.



posted on Jun, 13 2008 @ 05:12 PM
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" do i have any proof "

(time)

God bless you Out...



posted on Jun, 13 2008 @ 05:13 PM
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Well, your prophecying is nice and all I'm sure, but until we have evidence of this you are only speculating from the basis of a religion that is 2000+ years old and very illogical and faulty. In fact, no one has ever proven that a soul exists.



posted on Jun, 13 2008 @ 05:14 PM
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God's blessing to me means absolutely 0, as no one has ever proven or shown that such a diety has, does or ever will exist except for as an inexplainable delusion in the minds of those that seem to be less intellectual.

You have the blessings of my invisible dog but it's not going to save you and it's not going to save the world.

[edit on 13-6-2008 by LastOutfiniteVoiceEternal]



posted on Jun, 13 2008 @ 05:19 PM
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Oh really it's called faioth.. 2000 years of saints who raised the dead. I seen cancer cured without hope.. Christ worked miracles, saints seen God... I seen many miracles in my life..

you don't want proof, you want God to sit in your lap because you don't want to show the slightest ounce of faith...

like I said... many saints seen many miracles... st Vincent ferrer alone raise over 30 souls from the dead... anyways, look just wait and you will see, I can't make you see anything..

" invisible "

yea to you, but will you have an open mind since you cannot disprove God?

I cannot prove a soul... the tears and emotions I have prove it for me, but you cannot disprove God...

so this is where openmindedness comes in..

opeace..



posted on Jun, 13 2008 @ 05:24 PM
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Doesn't observing the cat collapse the wave function? Ah well, if I'm wrong on that, I still have the fact I can have faith in the reality of things I can't see, like air, wind, you folks on the net. Same idea!

I have another one too! hehehehe

Entanglement equals = Whereever you go, there you are! Abstractly, this is the equivalent of "I AM", which is a definition of omnipresence and therefore explores the idea that the grandfather paradox is incorrect. You then is not you now, even if it is you then and now... i think....



posted on Jun, 13 2008 @ 05:26 PM
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You're exactly right. I have zero faith. Faith is a synonym for ignorance.

It is a contradiction to say that someone was raised from the dead. Death is eternal. So your saints are playing God? Yet you condemn scientists for doing the same? Shame on you, what a double standard!

And no, no simple little saintly men ever raised anyone from the dead.

What you call a miracle is the ignorance that you blindly subscribe to.

I'm sure you and JPhish would call his elephant seal diving a miracle too, since we have yet to figure out how it is done.


Just because something is yet to be scientifically add logically explained doesn't mean it is a magical miracle from God with no explanation.

Faith? Ignorant people believe in faith.

I don't know your God and I never will, I only know what your God is not.

My God, however, doesn't require faith. I see it everywhere I go and it is everything that I experience.

[edit on 13-6-2008 by LastOutfiniteVoiceEternal]



posted on Jun, 13 2008 @ 05:30 PM
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Originally posted by undo
Doesn't observing the cat collapse the wave function? Ah well, if I'm wrong on that, I still have the fact I can have faith in the reality of things I can't see, like air, wind, you folks on the net. Same idea!


Well, we can see air, thus we can see wind... and if you wanted to, you could see me.

Unfortunately we don't have these luxuries with the invisible God being conversed.

You have faith in air and wind?


Faith

belief that is not based on proof:


Dictionary.com

How is that possible? There is certainly proof of wind, air and us people.



posted on Jun, 13 2008 @ 05:32 PM
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no no son..... you haven't disproved Vicent Fs miracles so you don't know.... you say it's impossible but not to me and the one who actually performed those miracles..

(faith) is not ignorance, it's souls who actaully believe in a creator because they see the deepness of creation and our bodies, and through faith you =will see miracles...

what you have is something I would call no openmindedness.... meaning you cannot disprove God but since he is a spirit... and you cannot see him with the eyes you deny even the thought of his existence...

I cannot prove God, you cannot disprove God..

yet we have over 4000 years of miracles to go with our side.... and btw raising the dead... incorrupt bodies, eucharistic miracles are not magic tricks..

peace.



posted on Jun, 13 2008 @ 05:36 PM
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" you can see air "

yea, and many saints seen God.. and angels... how can you disprove that?

by saying they are delusional? Of course if it has to do with God they are delusional... you cannot disprove anything..



posted on Jun, 13 2008 @ 05:39 PM
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First off you don't understand the definition of death. When a body dies it doesn't come back to life. If a heart stops beating but is revitalized means that the person never died, only the heart stopped beating, which does not = death.

Yes, I agree with you. Faith = miracles. Why? Because faith is giving into stupidity and letting it rule you, when under this ignorant hypnosis you are ignorant to the workings of physical reality and since you can not explain it logically or scientifically, you merely call it a miracle, fall to your knees and cry
. Which by no means makes it a miracle.

My mind is neither open or closed, sir. It is logical, scientific and intellectual. It denies ignorance, yet accepts those ignorant views but not met without opposition.



posted on Jun, 13 2008 @ 05:43 PM
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Originally posted by JesusisTruth
yea, and many saints seen God.. and angels... how can you disprove that?


No, sir. god is not equivalent to air. Air is physical, tangible and existent. God is non-existent and the biased testimony of any schizophrenic man believing that he has seen God and angels will not change the evidential proof. God = delusions.


by saying they are delusional? Of course if it has to do with God they are delusional... you cannot disprove anything..


Just saying something over and over again doesn't make it any more true than the first time you said it. You do realize that, right? My carpet is brown, and no matter how much I say it is green, it's not going to be green unless I paint it or some chemical reaction takes place.


Delusion

Psychiatry A false belief strongly held in spite of invalidating evidence, especially as a symptom of mental illness: delusions of persecution.


Delusion



posted on Jun, 13 2008 @ 05:47 PM
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first off I do understand that, and you sir do not know the circumstances of those events which shows your ignorance as I was testing you and you fell into it, now the reader knows...

next I want to add... that you are not open are closed..

well many scientists are religious... because they see something deeper in creation for chance to just do this...

having faith, like I said comes from deep souls and souls who see that a God did all this....

You say you are scientists and itellectual.. So what... what does that have to do with God? Science has not proven evolution nor has it disproven God...

so therefore you are of a disproven theory that hasn't solved anything, yet it knows alot, but not everything.. To say you know everything, then you can be so sure.. But you do not know everything and do not keep an open mind...

can you disprove God?



posted on Jun, 13 2008 @ 05:49 PM
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we can see/feel the EFFECTS of the wind but not the wind itself.
at least, not without
the tools of faith that help us see what wind is composed of and how
it is that we feel it even though we can't see it.
we have faith that it must be composed of something because
we can feel/see its effects
so we venture further in
faith that we can find the answer to the things we feel and see
the effects of. after this, it's just a matter of semantics.



posted on Jun, 13 2008 @ 05:49 PM
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" my carpet is brown, if I say it's green that won't mkae it green "

gotta love this one.. This one works for me as well, you saying we are delusion is very easy yet that doesn't make it true..



posted on Jun, 13 2008 @ 05:53 PM
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I said

" how can you disprove that saints seen God "

you come back with..

" no sir... God = delusion "


that's such an easy route out to try and win an argument...

I can do that..


Lastoutfinite = delusional...


you saying they are crazy minded is nothing more then a judgement and shows your close mindedness...

and furthermore... saying God = delusion means you give nothing a chance.... that has to do with a God you cannot disprove.



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