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reply posted on 3-6-2008 @ 11:49 AM by dave420

reply to post by Astyanax

There does indeed seem to be a general trend across the boards that I like (specifically paranormal studies) where actual study seems to be not wanted. When I read these boards I see people who want their half-brained theories elevated to that of well-supported scientific theories, having a hissy-fit if someone points out their complete lack of evidence. Over in the paranormal studies board there are people who say, flat-out, that all kinds of demons exist, and that different kinds of magic work. They even go as far as saying how to perform magic and exorcise demons. People (usually I) ask for their evidence, and get shouted at for being a skeptic and having a "closed mind", just for trying to learn.

So, it seems a large portion of folks on ATS don't want learning, they want posturing among their assumed-peers, like some sort of gorilla face-off deep in some jungle. Vying for slaps on the back, for "hell yeah!"s, etc.

My solution is to enforce strict moderation. In the science and technology board we can keep religion out, and we can (and should) move this board, O&CC, into science, so we can discuss the anthropomorphising and subsequent rape of science in strict logical terms. Another board should be made for the creationists to splash about in, complaining about how their untestable hypothesis isn't treated the same as a thoroughly-supported theory.

reply posted on 3-6-2008 @ 03:07 PM by Osiris1953

I don't understand the need for the back and forth witch hunt around here. What can we possibly glean from this unending conflict? What possible enlightenment will threads like this bring? None. Absolutely none. I respect many of the people who have posted in this thread, yet so many people are way out of line. How can we possibly get to the bottom of the conspiracies/problems in the world when we spend so much time focused on who is right and who is wrong theologically? The anger over a multitude of imagined slights has gone on long enough. Every single one of us has had our role to play in turning the theological side of ATS into an absolute fiasco, I think to claim that any one group in particular is to blame is an fallacious. Yes ATS has changed, all anyone can do is adapt. We now have many different and opposing viewpoints, and the least we can do is act with civility and not resort to finger pointing. The atheists, christians, and everyone else with diverse religious views are here to stay, it's time to get used to it. Being able to adapt in complex situations is also a sign of intelligence. None need to verbal bash one another's beliefs in order to be viewed as an intelligent force on ATS. Just some food for thought.

reply posted on 4-6-2008 @ 01:02 AM by Astyanax

reply to post by Osiris1953

How can we possibly get to the bottom of the conspiracies/problems in the world when we spend so much time focused on who is right and who is wrong theologically?

My point exactly, Osiris1953. All this religious nonsense - and especially the creationist clamour - is preventing ATS from functioning as it is intended or claimed to.

Have you seen the yellow text at the top of each page in this forum? It tells you what the forum is for - discussion of the conspiracy to impose creationist ideas on society, specifically to teach creationism as science in schools. But many, if not most of the threads here have been launched by creationists trying futilely to disprove evolution. The conspirators have taken over the board!

If that's not destroying ATS, what is?

[edit on 4-6-2008 by Astyanax]

reply posted on 4-6-2008 @ 04:10 AM by Conspiriology

Originally posted by Astyanax
reply to post by Osiris1953

How can we possibly get to the bottom of the conspiracies/problems in the world when we spend so much time focused on who is right and who is wrong theologically?

My point exactly, Osiris1953. All this religious nonsense - and especially the creationist clamour - is preventing ATS from functioning as it is intended or claimed to.

Have you seen the yellow text at the top of each page in this forum? It tells you what the forum is for - discussion of the conspiracy to impose creationist ideas on society, specifically to teach creationism as science in schools. But many, if not most of the threads here have been launched by creationists trying futilely to disprove evolution. The conspirators have taken over the board!

[edit on 4-6-2008 by Astyanax]

But many, if not most of the threads here have been launched by creationists trying futilely to disprove evolution.

Disprove it? ha ha ha their is nothing, absolutley NOTHING to disprove. Evolution is a dying religion that has not been confirmed as anything more than a highly controversial theory. It got started with the help of an Atheist named haekel who fudged his data not to mention used false doctored evidence to keep the damn theory alive. From then until more hoax were needed and more and more and more. Then when the ACLU would have Clarence Darrow argued to get Evolution taught in our Schools he stated that No other voice No other theory should be kept out of Science arguing to do so is to discriminate and all ideas had merit.

Then once evolution got into Schools they used every dirty trick in the book to not only use a bastardized interpretation of Church and state to kick Creationists out of Science but used cloak and dagger methods of espionage, ridicule to ruin careers to keep any other viewpoint out.

The campaign to eliminate every religious symbol every prayer in school, the pledge of allegiance, the "in God we trust" from coinage, now the moment of silence is being threatened as someone might be thinking of God during that and we can't have that now can we. The Nativity during Christmas, the ten commandments at court houses the hand on the Bible, all this is the machiavellian machinations of Darwininian Atheist evolutionists because you think it violates your precious civil rights.

It was never about that and they know it.

It is Darwinian Evolutionist who want transgendered lifestyles taught in our public schools at Kindergarten age.

Yeah we have a vast huge chasm for a divide in the differences of our world views and although we have bent over backwards to accomodate these whining crybabys, they continue to want more of their way taking what is left of our way and we have had enough.

If they don't like it

TOUGH

What you are doing here is the same kind of thing. You can't compete so you require a monopoly on Science and any disenting views on evolution are treated with childish tantrums, vitriolic hateful character assasination and undo criticism.

This so called theory suits your Atheism and that's all it's good for but it's bad science and always has been. If disproving evolution is what creationists are doing than have at it nothing would worry anyone if evolution were so rock solid.

Not like any other theory though is it, nope can't ask someone to disprove gravity by asking them to jump off a building because that theory we all believe we would fall but to suggest we all came about from some primordial soup and say thats a fact is ludicrous and evolution has been trying to shove that garbage down our kids throats for too long.

what's behind all your ranting asty, isn't about your concern for ATS, it's about your damn hatred of theists. You aren't any better than they are nor are you more intelligent than they are. Your desire to discriminate against creationist is tantamount to racial bigotry and while you disguise the fact of your prejudice behind a thin veneer of disengenuous caring and concern, it is transparent enough to see what your real motives are and they are anything but honorable.

While I see no evidence for the destruction of ATS, you on the otherhand can't see past your over inflated ego long enough, clear enough to suggest that maybe it isn't the creationist that are wrong but

your attitude about them

If that's not destroying ATS, what is?

Nothing is, nothing

at all

- Con

[edit on 4-6-2008 by Conspiriology]

reply posted on 4-6-2008 @ 04:37 AM by Bigwhammy

reply to post by Astyanax

If that's not destroying ATS, what is?

Atheists trying to intolerantly impose their beliefs on the rest of the community through threads like this one and rigged bait threads like "Proof of ID the World is looking For" and more disingenuous bating like "How to Turn an Atheist into a Believer". If a Christian starts a thread to discuss a spiritual topic in the Faith forum with other believers they can expect unprovoked intellectual bullying, name calling, and ridicule.

You are the problem - atheism is a dying false religion - things change - get over it.

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reply posted on 4-6-2008 @ 07:03 AM by Astyanax

reply to post by Osiris1953

As further evidence for my thesis, I submit the two 'replies' by other posters to my earlier reply to you.

I think they somewhat prove my case.

reply posted on 4-6-2008 @ 07:16 AM by heliosprime

Originally posted by Astyanax
reply to post by Osiris1953

As further evidence for my thesis, I submit the two 'replies' by other posters to my earlier reply to you.

I think they somewhat prove my case.

The only proof is to the arrogance and insanity of this very thread. The dark side can't debate issues without looking stupid so they want to stop debate and ban the otherside.

ToE is a moronic theory with very bad science no different that global warming.

It is a raw hatefilled religion demanding the heads of no-believers........

reply posted on 4-6-2008 @ 07:39 AM by Astyanax

reply to post by Osiris1953

And above this post, here's yet more evidence.

Don't worry Osiris1953, I'll stop now.

reply posted on 4-6-2008 @ 07:54 AM by nexusmagazine

Originally posted by Astyanax
reply to post by Osiris1953

If that's not destroying ATS, what is?

Nothing is destroying ATS - it looks like it is gaining more members every day.

The only constant thing in existence - is change.

If you feel ATS is changing - then say so - but it is obviously NOT being destroyed IMHO.

As far as I am concerned - fundamental christians and mechanistic skeptics are just two ends of the same see-saw.

peace

Duncan

reply posted on 4-6-2008 @ 08:23 AM by madnessinmysoul

reply to post by nexusmagazine

...growth doesn't mean it's not dying.

the creationists have poisoned things on here. they're trying to kill the concepts of logical consistency and scientific inquiry in favor of their religious beliefs

last time i checked, logical consistency and scientific inquiry were kind of a big deal to the proper investigation of conspiracy theories.

reply posted on 4-6-2008 @ 10:20 AM by dave420

reply to post by heliosprime

It's not moronic. It has sound evidence. If it's so moronic, go find an evolutionary scientist, tell the how it's wrong, and win the nobel prize. It's that simple.

It's moronic to say the theory of evolution is moronic, as obviously that opinion is not based on the scientific evidence, just your gut feeling about something you clearly don't understand.

reply posted on 4-6-2008 @ 11:11 AM by melatonin

I don't think creationists will destroy ATS. Heh, they've been here from my first day. However, the intellectual dishonesty of creationists has been enhanced.

What might destroy ATS is what was mentioned above. Change. It can be good or bad...

[edit on 4-6-2008 by melatonin]

reply posted on 4-6-2008 @ 11:32 AM by AshleyD

Dear Creationists,

Like Astyanax's last thread, it took me a while to figure out what exactly was occurring but it has become rather clear this thread is yet another set-up. I left this thread previously after seeing it before but hopefully this will help everyone see what he is trying to do.

An analogy we could use for this thread would be like a neighbor telling a black individual they should not purchase property in his subdivision. Yet, when the black person has the audacity to become indignant, the black person is somehow the bad guy for pointing out the bigoted view and is somehow ruining the neighborhood. Please notice how he is trying to use the comments on this thread against creationists:

Originally posted by Astyanax
Well, I think this thread has royally proved its point. Every single manifestation of creationist damage to sane and civil discussion referred to in the OP has been demonstrated repeatedly on it.

Originally posted by Astyanax
As further evidence for my thesis, I submit the two 'replies' by other posters to my earlier reply to you.

I think they somewhat prove my case.

Originally posted by Astyanax
And above this post, here's yet more evidence.

And let's briefly touch on this statement:

Originally posted by Astyanax
But many, if not most of the threads here have been launched by creationists trying futilely to disprove evolution. The conspirators have taken over the board!

How many times have we been told that evolution is a science opened to criticism? Many, many times. None of you are doing anything wrong so don't let his criticism of you, your posts, your or threads inhibit you from raising all the questions and doubts you have. If one of our arguments are wrong, then surely one of the evolutionists will be quick to deny our ignorance.

In conclusion. It seem if you reply to this thread from a creationist perspective you are some sort of forum hood but if you walk away from a tit for tat like I did on earlier pages you are accused of having debate skills that lack. Yet, strangely, when another member came to my defense they were basically called a bad Christian.

So hopefully the game that is being played in this thread has been exposed. You rebut their arguments and it is proof we are destroying ATS. You walk away and you're a coward. You take their bait and you're a bad Christian. In the future, it wouldn't hurt to avoid bait threads. Myself included. I ate up this thread hook, line, and sinker, until the plot unraveled.

I love you guys a bunch.

reply posted on 4-6-2008 @ 11:39 AM by undo

*toothy grin*

To quote Yoda: "Luminous beings are we, not this crude matter."
You have a spirit body encased in that crude matter we call flesh. It functions, travels, does work, interacts, fights, operates devices, and etc, whether you're conscious of it or not. So regardless of how your flesh got here, your spiritual body is still a reality and it is still under SOMEONE'S dominion. If you refuse to acknowledge that, you'll be relegated to the status of a slave and have no control over your destiny when the chunk of flesh you recognize as you, is dust.

reply posted on 4-6-2008 @ 12:07 PM by undo

To prove this to yourself, ask God to reveal it to you. It's most apparent when you are sleeping. Your spirit and energy are already, at this very moment, under Dominion of one kind or another. When your fleshly mind can't interfer or recall clearly, you are snagged out of your body and used to one purpose or another, most of which you don't remember. Much of the time, these events are overwritten in your flesh brain by jumbled up dream sequences, so you are not consciously aware of what has transpired. Just take my word on this. Ask God to reveal it to you. At this very moment, you are already serving someone.

reply posted on 4-6-2008 @ 01:11 PM by Conspiriology

Originally posted by madnessinmysoul

the creationists have poisoned things on here. they're trying to kill the concepts of logical consistency and scientific inquiry in favor of their religious beliefs

last time i checked, logical consistency and scientific inquiry were kind of a big deal to the proper investigation of conspiracy theories.

No madness what your disgruntled know it all never wrong mind can't handle is that the tables have turned and you got yours handed back to you on a platter and our religious belief got nothing to do with it.

I can't even remember the last time I saw any "creationist" talking scripture in a Science thread unless asked they might but seeing how you all have been asking just to have us answer then hit the alert for being off topic, we usually don't.

As much as you complain about bigotry madness I would think you would be a little more thoughtful. Then again it isn't just a coincedence it is the vocal Atheist, making these allegations. This is the same fear based discrimination creationists have seen them using in our Schools where they claim we are poisoning Science and now we are poisoning ATS.

You have debated me on the first amendment rights of convicted NAMBLA members in jail for child molestation but when it comes to Creationists, we see your true colors are not really about protecting ones first amendment rights. Makes me wonder what the real reason for defending the Nambla member was really over now that I think about it.

Creationist aren't afraid of working in the same Science arena as Darwinian Atheist Evolutionist and welcome the side by side comparison for each theory allowing students a choice but that is what bothers the atheists. Your camp has suggested we should wait till our children are older to teach them alternative worldviews but it seems that was just to have them grow up, go to school and learn the only one allowed,, YOURS.

Ben Stein's movie No Intelligence Allowed describes this behavior and it is the same as we are seeing here in this thread.

If I may borrow a quote from you that you once said to me.

You just can't handle your worlview being challenged by critical thinking creationists who have matched your so called superior grasp of Science and have surpassed it making you earn every point of view you want to make. You people have to get over the fact that not everyone is like you and just because we can engage in Scientific discourse and debate while being interested in the philosophy of religion doesn't get in the way of our acceptance of Atheists as much as Atheists prejudice and bigotry gets in the way of the equal and fair treatment we not only have every right to but demand and deserve.

Either lead by example, follow,

get out of our way because

WE are here to stay

Capeche.

- Con

reply posted on 4-6-2008 @ 01:26 PM by Conspiriology

Originally posted by melatonin
I don't think creationists will destroy ATS. Heh, they've been here from my first day. However, the intellectually dishonesty of creationists has been enhanced.

What might destroy ATS is what was mentioned above. Change. It can be good or bad...

Well I wouldn't worry too much melodrama as this is where we still have a lot of catching up to do if we ever want to match Darwinists. Afterall it wasn't creationists ethics being investigated by the US Senate and getting busted for it. It wasn't creationists using tweaked embryos to keep a dismal failure of a theory alive, it wasn't creationists calling piltdownman evidence and it wasn't creationists who started this ridiculous, baseless allegation and thread.

Before you go pontificating your assumed holier than thou attitude making charges about intellectual dishonesty, take a good hard look at Darwinists and the deceptive, crooked and corrupt group of thugs they have been in the past and present.

- Con

reply posted on 4-6-2008 @ 02:57 PM by pooty

Originally posted by jamie83

It's really very simple. There are only two possibilities.
There is either a God who created the universe or there isn't.

I have to disagree with this there is a third possibility

A being that created the universe but has abosolutly no desire to be a god for anyone or anything. _javascript:icon('')
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reply posted on 4-6-2008 @ 03:35 PM by Astyanax

reply to post by pooty

That is absolutely fantastic.

Will He do it? Will He off himself because He can't handle the pressures of fame?

God as Brian Jones. God as Britney Spears.

Man, you really made me think.

Well done. Original ideas don't come easy.

reply posted on 4-6-2008 @ 03:51 PM by toasted

Originally posted by TheBandit795
reply to post by Bigwhammy

As far as I know, creationism is not being taught in any science class in any school in Europe. The way it should be. Leave it for Sunday school.

FWIW, Sunday is NOT the Sabbath, Saturday is, the jews had it right all along, but the church saw fit to bully folks into worshipping on sunday the wrong day, on purpose, to show its' power.

For my money, if atheism can be taught in school, then so should creationism.

What are the atheists afraid of, an even playing field?

So much for the thread drift...Creationists will not destroy ATS , but maybe a few false images will be destroyed from our presence...