Matrix can correct me if I am wrong but she said right above her comment to you that she believes there is a fundie tag team going on and was trying to share with you what she does in an effort to bring you some peace: Use the ignore feature.

This site is cool because it allows one to explore alternatives to the status quo.

Just so that we are absolutely clear - There is NO ARGUMENT.

Originally posted by Bigwhammy

Now this thread also fits quite well with the USSRs Lenin.

Notice the uncanny similarities....

It would be the biggest and most grievous mistake a Marxist could make to think that the millions of the people (especially the peasants and artisans), who have been condemned by all modern society to darkness, ignorance and superstitions - can extricate themselves from this darkness only along the straight line of a purely Marxist education. These masses should be supplied with the most varied atheist propaganda material, they should be made familiar with facts from the most diverse spheres of life, they should be approached in every possible way, so as to interest them, rouse them from their religious torpor, stir them from the most varied angles and by the most varied methods, and so forth.

Lenin

The work of Duhem is of great relevance today, for it shows clearly the

Christian roots of modern science,

thus decisively refuting the alleged incompatibility of science and Christianity still propagated by the secularist establishment. Science is an integral part of Christian culture, a lesson still to be learned even within the Christian Church. From this follows the importance of detailed and accurate scientific studies of many aspects of modern life before any moral judgements are made.

history demonstrates that science has flourished the most in societies that believed in a Creator.The following list contains many creationist scientists, but it is in no way exhaustive. You may notice the presence of many famous ones who were founders:

as the director of the Human Genome Project, I have led a consortium of scientists to read out the 3.1 billion letters of the human genome, our own DNA instruction book. As a believer, I see DNA, the information molecule of all living things, as God's language, and the elegance and complexity of our own bodies and the rest of nature as a reflection of God's plan. I did not always embrace these perspectives. As a graduate student in physical chemistry in the 1970s, I was an atheist, finding no reason to postulate the existence of any truths outside of mathematics, physics and chemistry. But then I went to medical school, and encountered life and death issues at the bedsides of my patients. Challenged by one of those patients, who asked "What do you believe, doctor?", I began searching for answers.

British writer G.K. Chesterton famously remarked, "Atheism is the most daring of all dogmas, for it is the assertion of a universal negative."

In light of my personal experiences with such folk, and Marxism aside, I have to state with all conviction that in a purely intellectual sense Lenin had a point.

The human mind requires new information and experiences. Organized religion, especially that which seeks to dismiss and suppress Intellectualism as some kind of "devil worship", effectively numbs the mind and robs it of the ability and impetus to seek that new experience. If God created all, and God provides all you need, why bother to seek out anything but a deeper relationship with God? In my opinion this is a waste of human capacity.

And yes, Creationism and Intelligent Design are religion. Both presuppose the objective existence of a Supreme Being who created this Universe and is responsible for its well-being.

Court rules atheism a religion

Decides 1st Amendment protects prison inmate's right to start study group

Atheism is [the inmate's] religion, and the group that he wanted to start was religious in nature even though it expressly rejects a belief in a supreme being," the 7th Circuit Court of Appeals said.

The court decided the inmate's First Amendment rights were violated because the prison refused to allow him to create a study group for atheists.

Brian Fahling, senior trial attorney for the American Family Association Center for Law & Policy, called the court's ruling "a sort of Alice in Wonderland jurisprudence."

"Up is down, and atheism, the antithesis of religion, is religion," said Fahling.

The Supreme Court has said a religion need not be based on a belief in the existence of a supreme being. In the 1961 case of Torcaso v. Watkins, the court described "secular humanism" as a religion.

Fahling said today's ruling was "further evidence of the incoherence of Establishment Clause jurisprudence."