Romans 13

When looking for deliborate editing or changes to the Bible, be it for Religion or Government, one way to check out your Bible is to turn it to Romans 13 in the KJV and then compare it to other Bibles. I don't have one here with me so I am not going to directly quote the KJV.

Instead I am going to quote Romans 13 from the Gideons, The NIV Topical Study Bible and NCV (New Century Version)

Gideon's Romans 13



NIV Topical Study Bible Romans 13 Titled "Submission to the Authorities"




NCV Romans 13 Titled "Christians should obey the law"







[edit on 30-5-2008 by 12.21.12]

Moral of the story. The government uses religion to control us. This should serve as proof.

That reminds me of Proverbs 16:12:

New American Standard Bible: "It is an abomination for kings to commit wicked acts, For a throne is established on righteousness."

Douay-Rheims Bible: "They that act wickedly are abominable to the king: for the throne is established by justice."

King James Bible: "It is an abomination to kings to commit wickedness: for the throne is established by righteousness."

Same verse, just different translations. More versions and commentaries here.

That's why the LDS church uses the KJV, it's the least corrupt one. Here's Roman's chapter 13 from the King James Version:

1 Let every soul abe subject unto the higher bpowers. For there is no cpower dbut of God: the epowers that be are ordained of God.
2 Whosoever therefore resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God: and they that aresist shall receive to themselves bdamnation.
3 For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to the evil. Wilt thou then not be afraid of the apower? do that which is bgood, and thou shalt have praise of the same:
4 For he is athe minister of God to thee for good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is the minister of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil.
5 Wherefore ye must needs be subject, not only for wrath, but also for aconscience sake.
6 aFor for this cause pay ye tribute also: for they are God’s ministers, attending continually upon this very thing.
7 Render therefore to all their dues: tribute to whom tribute is due; custom to whom custom; fear to whom fear; ahonour to whom honour.
8 aOwe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that bloveth another hath fulfilled the law.
9 For this, Thou shalt not commit aadultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not bsteal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not ccovet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy dneighbour as thyself.
10 aLove worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the blaw.
11 And that, knowing the time, that now it is high atime to awake out of bsleep: for now is our salvation nearer than when we believed.
12 The night is far spent, the aday is at hand: let us therefore cast off the works of bdarkness, and let us put on the carmour of dlight.
13 Let us walk ahonestly, as in the day; not in brioting and cdrunkenness, not in dchambering and wantonness, not in strife and eenvying.
14 But aput ye on the Lord Jesus Christ, and make not provision for the flesh, to fulfil the blusts thereof.

King James Version - LDS.org

See the major differences in every verse?

Honestly sometimes I wonder if the whole book of Romans was just added in, after all it is called Romans. Some of the newer bibles even go on to say obey police officers and such, is this the religion they are shaping for the New World?

No matter how the various tranlsations have it, if you want to check, you can always go back to the greek from which the translations were translated from. Variations in words here and there are not evidence of the original Bible texts being changed or manipulated, simply their modern versions to suit the doctrine of the translator. The original texts are actually quite accurate when compared to each other, and there are many....

www.carm.org...

If you wish to check for yourself how the original greek or hebrew states things throught the Bible, there is a nifty program you can download for free that has built in concordances, modern translations etc.....

www.scripture4all.org...

also, Romans is named so because it was a letter to the Roman church, not because it was inserted by Romans

Hold up there tigers, let's look at the big picture and remember what happened in the Old Testament. Remember God wanted no government, but that all mankind to serve Him and obey His law, HOWEVER, even when judges were appointed to settle smaller matters, His children demanded a king. Thus He had provided and appointed one, did He not?

Do you believe that governments are appointed AGAINST the will of God?

Do you believe God has no control over a king/president/prime minister and they are outside of his authority?

On the whole, have governments had a tendency to create order or chaos? Does God side with order or chaos? Is God's creation an order or chaos? Does anarchy/anarchists side with order or chaos? Have governments historically conflicted with the 10 commandments? The Golden Rule?

[edit on 30-5-2008 by saint4God]

Thanks Doctorex, very useful information and that would make sense of course, I guess the Romans must have seem this as a way to establish their church.

reply to post by saint4God

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Well to answer your question, I do believe that MOST humans are capable of living in a free world, without government overshadowing them. Unfortunately their are still many who would oppose this and try to establish control. Don't get me wrong, I think there are many benefits of having government. But I think that the intent of Romans 13 was originally intended to declare God as the highest and to love one another is fulfilling the law. In other words I can think of many circumstances when doing the right thing is considered illegal, as in the evolution of Romans 13 this is quite clear. Obviously these modern adaptions are teaching to fear authority rather than question it.