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Because if they are taken to heart, then they break another slew of commandments, such as "Thou shalt not kill (including yourself)", and so Freemasons have themselves laid bare the hypocrisy of their order.
Originally posted by akilles
(in relation to the above) So you can kill yourself? And you can agree to having yourself murdered, cuz then its not murder in some twisted sense?
And the Freemasons didn't give two opposing answers to my question?
Maybe we should just call you Assman, because you have obviously since day 1 decided to ignore and deride me every chance you get. You say you have never put someone on ignore, that doesn't mean you don't ignore every single word the person says.
The point is that you can't make an oath to God while breaking his commandments in the oath you are making. So I am just saying, in that way it is incompatible with Christianity.
Originally posted by akilles
Guys, agree among yourselves.
Are the oaths merely symbolic, and you are all guilty of blasphemy?
Or all the oaths taken to the heart?
Because if they are taken to heart, then they break another slew of commandments, such as "Thou shalt not kill (including yourself)", and so Freemasons have themselves laid bare the hypocrisy of their order.
Originally posted by akilles
You shouldn't be using the name of God just to learn a lesson.
You shouldn't devote your life to a symbolic oath by swearing your life to be worthless, lest you share what they tell you are the Greatest Secrets of Man.
Why should a Man be kept from sharing how he has learnt something, or from where he has learnt it?
If people like to burn effigies, and call it the 'Cremation of Care', why can't they admit it?
Why? Because secrets are power, and you don't centralize power by sharing it.
I think if people want to do rituals, they should do it with balls, and let the public see what they are doing. But again, the point of the ritual is not to show others, it is to revel in the secrets that are being kept, people draw power from thinking they are 'privileged' to be apart.
Originally posted by akilles
'No kind of power', not even in recognizing the role Freemasons played in American Independence and the French Revolution that ordinary people have no knowledge of?
No power in recognizing symbolism, and knowing to look for deeper meaning?
Common sense tells me a lot about deception,
not a whole lot about trusting blindly,
with oaths to a nameless God,
reinforced by positive peer pressure to not question things in a negative way,
where you are repeated a half-truth often enough that you believe it entirely.
Common sense.
Originally posted by infinite
i've spoken to a freemason a few weeks ago and when i said "secret society" he quickly told me that the masons are not. So i asked him what do they do for rituals,meetings,etc and he said ..."thats a secret"
sooo their not a secret society, just 90% of it is secret...errmm great logic Mr.Mason
Originally posted by Wgatenson
If they are not a secret seocity, why don't you get me some pictures of the inside of there ritual rooms?