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posted on May, 29 2008 @ 06:45 PM
I am sorry if this thread is in the wrong place. I pose this question to ATS members, and wonder is talk radio and these blowhards in the media are the problem with america? I do understand that we as americans have the right of free speech.

Example some weeks ago Rush Limbaugh went on an on about how he wanted a riot to break out at an upcomming convention. About two days later Rosie put her two cents in. But suprise suprise nothing happened. You could argue he is starting trouble for no just reason.

He calls himself and i quote " U.S. Commander of Operation Chaos" end quote. I call it him anti-demacrats, rouge cell. I can see it now when one of his listeners steps over that line of be a demersrator to aggressor.

For the life of me i can't understand how he isn't been labeled as bigot, rasicist. I heard educated africian americans been dismissed in rude and apualing ways. And when they try to make there points, he yells at them. Yet you get some hick from the backroads, U.S. and he inlightens there stupid thought of the day.

Glenn Beck and Howie Carr are alright they have there own moments. But for the most part they don't make themselfs seem better than the common person.

Carr's views are somethimes way out there. And to my other point the major news media outlets. I do belive there to cause rifts and cause trouble.

Please note these are how i understand said persons. But i would enjoy some thoughts about this.

posted on May, 29 2008 @ 07:25 PM
reply to post by purpleneonofdoom

Well, apparently you don't listen on a regular basis because if you did, you would realize that Rush was being facetious or sarcastic. This is how he is.
Operation Chaos is just a ploy to get the democrats to fight among each other in order not to have a presidential frontrunner by the time the democratic convention starts.

I say thank goodness for talk radio because without it our country would already have made it to a full blown socialist state. There are tons of bad legislation which talk radio helped to defeat. The MSM would say nothing because they want the socialist agenda.

posted on May, 29 2008 @ 08:22 PM
The sad truth is that people need demagogues like Rush. We all like to think of ourselves as independent thinkers, but any totally independent thinker would be unable to communicate with anyone. There would be no established common ground on which to base a discussion.

The vast majority of my ideas and opinions are not my own. They're things I've heard, seen, or read that seemed interesting to me at the time, and that I put into my own words and thoughts. And of my 'unique' ideas, most all of them are syntheses, with small amounts of my own insights and spin. My guess is that, as individuals, we are all less 'uniquely' creative that we choose to believe (which only makes creativity and true individuality all the more precious and amazing).

In the media, the trend I've noticed is towards sort of 'Balkanization of viewpoint'. People are more and more seeking out media sources that fit the worldview that they want to have, in which they can be stable, comfortable, and not have to think too much 'outside the box'. Culture is turning into many different 'regions' of viewpoint. It gives people a way to self-identify without have to actually self-realize. Hence the internets.

In a way, this can actually add to stability in a culture. And stagnation. In general, the most stable, unchanging systems are not those without internal forces that might move them, but those in which strong, opposing internal forces are enmeshed in a complex balance. Strong, opinionated 'standard bearers' pull large portions of the population in various opposing directions.

The danger is common ground. As viewpoints diverge, individuals from different viewpoints are no longer able to constructively communicate. Try getting a stereotypical 'liberal' and a stereotypical 'conservative' to discuss a specific issue and, most often, the discussion degenerates into misunderstanding, canned rhetoric, and useless argumentation.

Yes I think this is a problem with America (and not uniquely America, either). In fact, since I think that this process is being deliberately manipulated, I'm inclined to agree that it is 'the' problem.

[edit on 29-5-2008 by Ian McLean]

posted on May, 29 2008 @ 08:32 PM
I listen to Rush and Hannity almost every day.

They're entertainers. Rush is very funny most of the time. His schtick is to act overly pompous to the point of being comical, e.g., lines like "half my brain tied behind my back."

And Rush is no shill for the Republicans. He can't stand McCain. After years of listening to him, I think he's sincere in his beliefs, but he's still an entertainer first.

Hannity has no sense of humor, and his one redeeming quality is he has a lot of good guests from both sides on his show. He also spends a lot of time bashing republicans.

These guys are not a problem. They're entertainers first. No matter what your political views, you should be thankful that there are forums where they can be discussed.

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