Why are people against gay marriage?

Originally posted by 888LetsRoll
I just think Gays have been in the closet for thousands of years... Just keep it there, in the closet..

[edit on 29-5-2008 by 888LetsRoll]

That's a pretty ignorant quote....

The lives of many historical figures including Socrates, Alexander the Great, Lord Byron, Edward II, Hadrian, Julius Caesar, Michelangelo, Donatello, Leonardo DaVinci, and Christopher Marlowe included or were centered upon love and sexual relationships with people of their own sex. Terms such as gay or bisexual have been often applied to them. Some, such as Michel Foucault, regard this as risking the anachronistic introduction of a contemporary construction of sexuality foreign to their times[14] , a view that is increasingly challenged.[15]
A common thread of constructionist argument is that no one in antiquity or the Middle Ages experienced homosexuality as an exclusive, permanent, or defining mode of sexuality. John Boswell has criticized this argument by citing ancient Greek writings by Plato,[16] which he says indicate knowledge of exclusive homosexuality.

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Actually, it seems many instances in history were even more accepting of homosexual acts than today. It predates Christianity!

Now on to your silly notion of having sex with as many women as possible before dying.. Well I feel the same way, then again, I'm 23 and pretty close to growing out of that ideology.

I find it hilarious that lesbian sex is thought of as a turn on and yet gay male sex is a no-no. I guess people should just live the lives you want them to, huh?

Originally posted by 888LetsRoll
I dont see the point to them getting married...
Marrage is a household for raising children in a wholesome environment.

But who are you to make that distinction? Who says the household is just for raising children? And who says a same sex relationship is not wholesome? Please explain what you mean by wholesome?

Main Entry: whole·some Listen to the pronunciation of wholesome
Pronunciation: \ˈhōl-səm\
Function: adjective
Date: 13th century

1: promoting health or well-being of mind or spirit
2: promoting health of body
3 a: sound in body, mind, or morals b: having the simple health or vigor of normal domesticity
4 a: based on well-grounded fear : prudent b: safe

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I don't see anything there that excludes same sex couples.


The one thing I find really hypocritical about the Christian view is these same people will have sex out of marriage, and indulge in sexual acts other than intercourse when they claim God intended it for 'wholesome' child bearing. Isn't that also a sin, of the flesh?
What about supporting those that send our citizens to die in wars?
Christians really need to take a good look at themselves before they try to judge others, which is also a sin btw...

For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you. Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother's eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye? How can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye’ when all the time there is a plank in your own eye? You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother's eye."

And yes you are hypocrites, unless you are free of sin...


As far as children being raised by same sex couples...

...She and her colleagues studied data from a broad national survey of adolescent health. They found that the children of same-sex couples performed just as well in school as their peers, and were no more or less likely to have started dating or experimenting with sex....
Dr. Patterson says it was the quality of the parent-child relationship, and not the parents' gender, that affected the teenagers' development. I'm Bob Hirshon for AAAS, the Science Society...

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It's not the same sex couples that's a problem it's the 'middle ages' thinking some people still hold on to. Homophobia is alive and well, you must all be very insecure about yourselves...

I'm against marriage...
...as a religious and civil institution.
I feel that if a couple wish to be together and cohabitate for a certain length of time---say five years, they should be considered "married", be they gay or straight.
With full legal rights.

Common law worked well for a long time until gov't/religion got into the picture.


If some feel they just want the government or their religion to make it formal, let them have that right, too.

shoot. here i go. I always get called names in the gay thread.

Gay marriage: I think that the big gripe is that it's a legal status ideally reserved for reproductive groups called families. Most people still define a family by shared genes. Becasue homosexual couples cannot really reproduce, I think people wonder why they should be treated under the law the same as a potentially reproductive couple. Yes, I realize this is an oversimplicication, ignoring many border/exceptions such as infertility for whatever reason, but I'm admittedly speaking in general.

Problem: Gay couples are statistically higher wage earners and have higher education levels than average hetero couples, thus they are arguably at least as fit or better suited for adoption/foster parenting.
But, the jury is actualy still out on same sex parenting effects, so....
Should gays be able to adopt? If yes, then they should be allowed to marry. If not, then no marriage...

[edit on 29-5-2008 by djerwulfe]

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But they want to marry so they have the same benefits other married couples have, not to raise children per se, though some will of course.

It is a form of discrimination against gays to not have the same rights imo, unless someone can prove homosexuality is a choice which I doubt will ever happen because it isn't.

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Beat me to it. I think that marriage should be between a couple and their God, if they so believe, or between them and their government if they so believe, or just between the two of them and their children (or not). Personally, I think that the gov has no place in such a relationship. The couple can form whatever legal agreement they deem appropriate without the gov sticking their big fat hairy thumb into the equation. Either government or religion making such demands on individual relationships is BS IMO.

As to those who deem it necessary to point out their personal preferences when it comes to sexuality; grow up. Real people are not pornography vids provided for your amusement. Don't expect them to perform for your pleasure as your porn does. If guys are kissing in front of you I guess you can just fantasize that they're girls, and so remain in your comfortable little world. Or I guess you could confront them and risk getting your ass kicked by a queer. Nothing is funnier than that, promise.
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[edit on 29-5-2008 by resistor]

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Certainly. But I believe it's accepted that there are multiple causes for homosexuality. And making a case for someone choosing to engage in homosexual behavior is shaky ground. I know pituitary abnoramlities are often associated with homosexual preferences.
So, no, I don't think it's generally viewed as a choice in general by the courts.
BUT... the question remains. People want a legal distinction. I think the simple answer is a special legal status of marriage for same-sex couples. Same laws. Different name. That would shut us up.

My only problem with Gays is that they are so in your face about it. I don't want to know peoples sexual orientation. What they do in private means little to me. I also don't want them to have a special status and receive benefits from it. I sure don't want them parading half naked in front of children in public!

They cause many of their own troubles with bizarre behavior and obscene parades. How do they expect people to respond to that? They want attention for attentions sake and what does that have to do with being Gay? If I were Gay I'd be very offended by many Gay's behavior.

I've lost three friends over the years because they attempted to force their Gayness on me when it was not wanted. Why does this happen so often? It amounted to attempted sexual assault and these were otherwise, I thought, decent people. Since these are the only Gay friends I've known would I be wrong to assume that this behavior occurs in 100% of Gays? I know that is ridiculous, but so was their behavior. It had nothing to do with them being Gay; it was the fact they had no control over their own behavior. There is something more going on here than just sexual orientation I think.

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Well the reason they are so 'in your face' about it is because they have been oppressed for years, forced to hide their true selves.

So now they are able to be open about their sexuality they're gonna flaunt it, Human nature. It happens to anybody who is freed to be themselves after years of hiding.

They are celebrating their liberation, and what's wrong with that?

I'm sure gays feel like straight normal society is flaunted in their faces every single day...

Just because you don't like something doesn't give you the right to hate. We as Humans have a choice, you can hate or you can love, only you can make that choice.

okay look,

Have you ever seen/heard/read of Animals, that follow their instinct,
have sexual urges for their same sex type?

If you know please tell me.


Sodom and Ammorah - search google
And see for you're self.







[edit on 30-5-2008 by Chongun]

Okay... I am personally not a fan of Marriage, but just because I don't believe in marriage, doesn't mean that No one should get married.

I believe that if two people are happy, then who are we to stand in their way? How come I can get married? But my Gay bestfriend who is in love with his boyfriend, Can't? When it comes down to it, does it really matter what the gender is?

Does it matter what I do in my bedroom? Because I am straight, no one cares. But if I was a lesbian? Suddenly EVERYONE would want to have an opinion on how I live my life.

It comes down to:
Its not any of our business what people do in their homes. Gay or Straight.
Happiness is NOT limited to Straight people.
Equal Rights, apply to everyone. Everyone.

Just my opinion.

Originally posted by Chongun
okay look,

Have you ever seen/heard/read of Animals, that follow their instinct,
have sexual urges for their same sex type?

Yes, actually. I even remember seeing a gay penguin couple from a zoo featured on one episode of the Daily Show. It's actually pretty common in nature.

Joan Roughgarden thinks Charles Darwin made a terrible mistake. Not about natural selection—she's no bible-toting creationist—but about his other great theory of evolution: sexual selection. According to Roughgarden, sexual selection can't explain the homosexuality that's been documented in over 450 different vertebrate species. This means that same-sex sexuality—long disparaged as a quirk of human culture—is a normal, and probably necessary, fact of life.

seedmagazine.com...

The gay lifestyle is destructive to the morals and values of young people. I see more and more teenage girls everyday walking around with their rainbow belts and gay pride crap flaunting it in everyone's face. BTW I'm a 27 year old guy and the idea of two women kissing is NOT a turn on in any way or a fantasy, it's plain NASTY. I actually find homosexuality somewhat of a psychological identity crisis.
For example: Why is it that butch or aggressive lesbians don't like men yet they dress like men and try to emulate male behavior and MANnerisms and some go as far to be offended when considered female. Trust me I've seen it.
On the other hand you have the fem or girly lesbians that don't like guys but they're attracted to an aggressive lesbian who acts like a man. And guess what, i'm sure that some use "Toys" when sex is involved. The same toys that mimic straight sexual activity. Pure confusion!! Marriage is between MAN and WOMEN. Why do you think we see more kids coming out and displaying gay behavior at an early age? Because society is saying that's it's ok and it seems to be a fad or a new trend. If someone is gay that's their choice but keep that stuff over there. Wwaaaayyy over there.

Well i'm against marriage, and not just gay marriage. As a concept i think it's rather poor, why do you need a piece of paper to proclaim your love? In fact if you are unmarried and with a partner then you can be safe int he knowledge they are there just because they want to be instead of being their because it would be a hassle to get divorced. The only advantage to marriage i can see is a financial one as most government give extra benefits to married couples.

If gay people want to get married, well that's up to them, i don't give a flying monkey and i don't see why they should be prevented. If we look upon marriage simply as a celebration of love then surely it's fine that they get married. Love between two people is love, and i refuse to believe that the love between a man and a woman is greater than the love between two same sex partners.

Heck, i'm all for it! Let'em marry and divorce like anyone else.

Gay's should have the same right to be miserable in marriage as us Hetero's.

They should also have the same right to pay overly large amounts of alimony as us Hetero's. And the same right to pay child support, should they adopt/have a child together, as well.

Alimony and child support should not be just a Hetero domain.

Originally posted by 888LetsRoll
I dont see the point to them getting married...
Marrage is a household for raising children in a wholesome environment.

If you can show me a Man that can have a baby - I will change my Views on Marriage... Tax benefit is help grow the population... whats so special about one dude giving up his last name for the other dudes last name..
it seems they want the fruit and the framework for raising children in which it was built. I just think Gays have been in the closet for thousands of years... Just keep it there, in the closet.. now I do support domestic partner rights. healthcare, death benefits etc... but not the same status as a Household to raise children. call it something else and the same benefits of husband and wife without the Kissing in public crap.


[edit on 29-5-2008 by 888LetsRoll]

The reason my partener and I got "garried" (swat i call it) wasn't to show our love for eachother,I don't need a bit of paper for that. It was so our relationship was recognised by the law. Incase the worse happens,the remaining one of us won't get stuck with a huuge inheretance tax bill. We didn't give up our names or anything hetro like that.
As for your comment about we should just stay in the closet Why the f*** should I? To protect your poor little narow view of what is right and wrong? Get aatatown.. I'm living my life how I see fit,a if you don't like it,oh dear,what a pity,never mind. It ain't your life.

And as for the having kids,I personally don't want kids. But there are plenty of children in homes,who've had a right bum deal so far in life. If they can find a loving home with same sex partners (men or women) then who the hell are you to say that they should be denied that!! Just cos you're prejudiced,don't take it out on the innocent ones.

Originally posted by Acidtastic
The reason my partener and I got "garried" (swat i call it).

I honestly laughed out loud at that, "garried", love it will use it from now on. Thanks for expanding my vocabulary.

The rest of your points i agree with

[edit on 30-5-2008 by ImaginaryReality1984]

Well...because gay marriage will corrupt the sanctity between the holy union that is man and woman marriage. It will make us and everyone around them gay!!! Wait, then why am I not gay? I mean i know gay people but i still like women?? Something's so not right.

The truth is there is no actual logical reason why people should be against gay marriage. To put it so that the religious folk can understand it...It'd be a sin to not allow these individuals to show their love for one another in the form of marriage, or for them not to have the same rights as a normal dysfunctional hetero marriage.

I dont have a problem with gay marriage. I think you should be able to marry who ever your in love with, if your bisexual, you should be able to marry a man and a woman. If your heterosexual you can marry as many times as you want,, as long as you divorce. Now if your a pedaphile you should be able to marry little kids,,, as long as the parents ok it. I think that some people love there animals more than they do other humans,, so they should be able to marry there dog., cat, horse.. or whatever. There is a large movement involving man.. boy.. relationships... Im sure they would love to get married also.. so what the hell... let em all get married.There was one thread in here about a guy who was in love with his car,, I dont know if he was making love to the gas tank.. or what,, but I say ,, hey.. if he loves it.. let him marry it..

Okay, say we let them get married. They can't do it in a church. Because according to those christians, homosexuality is a horrible sin that god smites down, or something. They'll have to do it in a non-religious way. Because the definition of a marrige...you know, I wont quote that, it's been quoted enough. Basically, people see it as morally wrong. Next thing you know, people can marry animals! And people in Alabama can marry chidren...oh, wait..