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Britain calling, they want they're guns back!!

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posted on May, 29 2008 @ 11:25 AM
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Just watched this video sent to me by a gunsmith friend of mine. Its very informative on the outlook of Britains gun owners an citizens who have been victimised by they're government.



www.youtube.com...

Zindo

[edit on 5/29/2008 by ZindoDoone]




posted on May, 29 2008 @ 03:50 PM
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This is a very important video that every American should watch. Not that it would change the minds of the terminally obtuse, but perhaps it would wake up some who still cherish their liberty, but haven't been as active as they could have been.

The assault on the Second Amendment is the most important issue of our time. It is more important than extra-terrestrial invasion, climate change, or even the war on terror.

We cannot expect to remain a free people, if our basic right to self-protection is denied. And if that right is denied, then who are we to turn to for protection? The police? A good Samaritan? Don't bet on it. At the moment of truth, it is oneself who must take the initiative to act in one's own defense.

Thanks, ZindoDoone. You've done us all a favor, if only folks would give ten minutes to listen to the truth, the empirical truth.



posted on May, 29 2008 @ 04:18 PM
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what a bunch of propoghanda bs, that was a fox hunting protest, fox hunting doesn't involve guns, it involves dogs and hounds. then they mixed in a controversial story about victim vs offenders rights. most people thought he shouldn't go to prison for shooting the burgler, and be clear on this, he used a shotgun, which you are still perfectly entitled to own in the uk and he doesn't even like shooting

also the rise in gun crime in the uk is down to factors such as the wind down of the ira and the rise in trafficking from eastern europe releasing so many guns that the price has fallen through the floor, the british were never an armed population although shotguns were always, are still are, quite common, but they're of the double barrelled variety and intended for game shooting.

do you really trust the people who made this film, they're lying to you and twisting the facts. do you notice how few of the people she spoke to mentioned guns? if you don't believe me, check.



posted on May, 29 2008 @ 06:59 PM
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I think the video explained the reason that fox hunting was brought into the mix of disillusionment among the public.

Personally, I know that fox hunting is a sport that involves dogs and nattily-attired horsemen chasing a fox through the countryside, but if you look at many of the signs in the crowd, you will see many list a number of grievances, even on the same placard.

You are entitled to your own opinion and it might be that some of your points are valid, but don't accuse the rest of us of being incapable of sorting out the data.

Many British subjects are angry about a progressive loss of rights that they consider to be fundamental--gun ownership, self-protection, fox hunting, etc.

The theme of the comments seemed to me to be, "What next? We trusted the government's promise of a safer society and we are not safer. The criminals rule our streets."

By the way, what we call the Second Amendment has nothing to do with sport shooting. A lot of gun owners are not particularly fond of shooting and the maintenance that goes into frequent shooting, but they understand that their firearm might save their lives.

[edit on 2008/5/29 by GradyPhilpott]



posted on May, 29 2008 @ 07:28 PM
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fair enough mate, i didn't say anyone particularly wasn't able to sort out the facts, i'm glad you are, but you can't say everyone who might see the video is as informed as you are. i just thought i should point out the biased nature of the video.

there is no out cry in britain that i have ever seen calling for handguns to be legalised again, or for gun ownership laws to follow the american model. britians do feel an erosion of their rights but from my experience, they do not feel they have a right to be armed. the errosion relates to about a billion cctv cameras and attempts to control the behaviour of the population.

you can own a gun in britain, just not one that is designed primarily for killing people. i understand the american point of view, there are so many guns in the us, it would be mental to give them up. this is not the case in britian.

and just so you know, crime ridden streets refers to media hype, the facts are that british streets are safer than they used to be, given the population size, but the police aren't doing what the politicians said they would, thats an old story that has nothing to do with guns.



posted on May, 29 2008 @ 08:41 PM
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British history and the rule of law for the common man gave us here in the US the most important reason for our second amendment. To have the basis to take back our government if and when we have had enough of usurping the rights we have. Our constitution give the government only those rights enumerated in the document, all other rights are ours not the politicians to give, regardless of what politicians or special intgerests try to shove down our throats. More and more Brits are realizing that police departments are there only to protect the government, not the citizenry. We here in the US have been told by our own Supreme Court that fact in at least three suits over police non-protection. Some believe that because we live in a so called enlightened time with technology to look to for protection we should no longer take our salvation into our own hands. This is suicide.

Zindo



posted on May, 29 2008 @ 09:30 PM
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Is it not asinine for any government to convict a person for defending his person and property?

This same mind set is alive and well in the District of Columbia. We must always be on guard.

I don't know but this world just gets nuttier every day thanks to sheep.

Roper



posted on May, 29 2008 @ 09:33 PM
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Ha, I guess the Brits finally realized that knives kill people too.



posted on May, 29 2008 @ 09:44 PM
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The Australians had their guns taken away and many people there are very unhappy about it as well. It seems that crime rates increase everywhere that the common man isn't allowed to own a gun. Those who own guns are citizens, those who do not are subjects.



posted on May, 29 2008 @ 09:51 PM
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Originally posted by Alxandro
Ha, I guess the Brits finally realized that knives kill people too.


They're already onto that.


A&E doctors are calling for a ban on long pointed kitchen knives to reduce deaths from stabbing.
A team from West Middlesex University Hospital said violent crime is on the increase - and kitchen knives are used in as many as half of all stabbings.

They argued many assaults are committed impulsively, prompted by alcohol and drugs, and a kitchen knife often makes an all too available weapon.

The research is published in the British Medical Journal.

news.bbc.co.uk...


[edit on 2008/5/29 by GradyPhilpott]



posted on May, 29 2008 @ 09:59 PM
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It's funny reading Americans views on the UK, you guys know nothing about British culture.

Fox hunting was banned because it's a barbaric 'sport' and the majority of people wanted it banned. The only people who lost 'rights' were the upper class twits that get their jollies off chasing foxes around and then watch their dogs tear them to pieces. It's unnecessary and cruel and should have been banned centuries ago.

The foxes are now safe thank you...


In an average fox hunting season:

Foxes killed: 15,000 (36% by digging up by terriermen)
Humans killed (in accidents): 3
Pups and hounds killed: 6,000
Veterinary fees for horses: £15 million
Injuries to hounds: 1,000
Injuries to those on foot (including sabs): 500
Total blood spilled: 1 ton plus
Policing costs (paid by taxpayers): Over £1 million.

Source



As far as guns, the population in the UK have never had a gun culture like in the US. The average person has never owned a gun. The ban on handguns didn't effect the average citizen in the way you're all up in arms about. We Brits don't feel the need to have a gun for 'protection', we're not that paranoid...



posted on May, 29 2008 @ 10:11 PM
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Originally posted by ZindoDoone
British history and the rule of law for the common man gave us here in the US the most important reason for our second amendment. To have the basis to take back our government if and when we have had enough of usurping the rights we have.


LOL OK so when is this going to happen?

Do you really think owning a gun is going to let the population 'take back your government'?

Your government was taken away from you long ago. The first thing you need to do is wake up to this reality, because if you don't now you never will. So what use is your gun against the government if you can't even recognise when you need to apply this 'right'? It's already too late, the population has been well and truly conned.



posted on May, 29 2008 @ 10:22 PM
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Originally posted by ANOK
Do you really think owning a gun is going to let the population 'take back your government'?


An armed populace at least has a chance.

Not all American's accept your sick view of our nation. We know we have problems. We know that we are under attack both from without and from within, but America is a work in progress as it was from the very beginning.

We have an uphill battle here in the good ol' US of A, but we've got a handle on it.

Thanks.



posted on May, 30 2008 @ 12:26 AM
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If it weren't for guns and ammo we'd still be under British rule. There's an irony there somewhere.



posted on May, 30 2008 @ 03:20 AM
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What annoyed me about the handgun ban is that gun crime has gone up since. The responsible owners of handguns were rarely involved in crime, that's a statistical fact.

I think the gun ban was bought about to cover the polices arse. Dunblane, which is what really kicked the ban into gear happened because the police didn't do their job. The gun owner involved had mental health issues and his guns should have been confiscated long befor the incident happened.

However the public, ignorant as they often are of the facts, blaimed the gun instead of the police, legal gun owners were very rarely involved in crime. Now our streets are flooded with illegal guns, often made from decommisioned weapons.

We still have some guns, rifles and shotguns. The licenses to get these are extremely difficult, and i agree that's a good things. However i don't see the harm in allowing someone like myself owning a handgun, for sporting use. Aiming at targets, entering competitions, it's a hobby like anything else.

As long as i have no mental health problems, i have no criminal record and i belong to a registered gun club, then surely that should be enough to allow gun ownership? It's about freedom and the people in this country don't understand that. They see guns around and see danger.

As for the BMC asking for a ban on long pointed kitchen knives, well for gods sake how would i prepare some of my meals! A long knife in a kitchen is quite useful! If they want to start bannign long knives then why don't we ban cars? I could do far more damage with a car then someone could with a knife.

Or scratch that, if they really want to ban things then they should visit the garden centres. Anyone with a resonable knowledge of chemistry can make some pretty nasty explosives from legally available chemicals, and i mean proper explosives not the weak stuff the recent terrorist attacks used.

This is just the nanny state gone mad, i fear soon i'll be cutting my bread with a plastic spoon, afterall that's a pretty safe implement.

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Oh i should point out that these doctors talked about the long knife damaging internal organs. What they seem to have skipped over is the fact that a 1 inch blade is long enough to access most of the major arteries in the body, not to mention the throat or other very vital targets. If you ban long knifes you have to ban short ones.

[edit on 30-5-2008 by ImaginaryReality1984]



posted on May, 30 2008 @ 06:16 AM
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"what a bunch of propoghanda bs, that was a fox hunting protest, fox hunting doesn't involve guns, it involves dogs and hounds. then they mixed in a controversial story about victim vs offenders rights. "

Please watch the full video. Initially I leapt to exactly the same conclusion as yourself, it's biased pro-foxunting propaganda. However, that only lasts 1 and a half minutes of the report. The other 8 minutes are about the handgun ban and the Tony Martin case.



posted on May, 30 2008 @ 06:50 AM
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I think the man at the end of the video said it best:

Freedom is only for those who can defend it.

And you know what? We Britons cannot defend it. Its true that the majority of those protestors were marching for a reinstatement of fox hunting.

Hardly anyone in this country cares about firearms rights, simply because they are brainwashed and afraid of guns. No matter of logic or facts can change the entrenched idiocy of the general public with respect to firearms.

Frankly there isnt a hope in hell of firearms being brought back into prominence. 99% of the people dont want it, and the views of the minority are always discarded for the views of the majority. There is no choice for British people who have views as I do... there is no outlet for those who believe in a fundamental right to self defence and firearms.

The only choice that remains is to move to another country which will not trample on those rights.

A recent debate between Budski and I covered this issue:

www.abovetopsecret.com...



posted on May, 30 2008 @ 09:50 AM
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Wow, I'm surprised budski has yet to chime in on this.




posted on May, 30 2008 @ 10:52 AM
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I'm currently residing in the UK and I have to say our gun policy sucks.

Not because I believe I need it to be able to fight the government if it becomes too tyrannical, or for self-defence (I probably live in one of the safest parts of the country) but because....guns are fun.

Seriously.

I lived in pretty rural areas as a teen, and I had friends who lived on farms and had plenty of firearms. We'd have an afternoon messing around with targets and maybe a few drinks afterwards. And it was enjoyable.

And as we all know, Labour hates things that are enjoyable (as their recent ban of extreme S&M pornography shows). Spoilsports.

[edit on 30-5-2008 by Rogue Element]



posted on May, 30 2008 @ 11:47 AM
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didn't the dunblain shooter have masonic connections and regularly go to the school dormatories and molest children.



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