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NEW UFO PICS Gilliland Ranch

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posted on May, 29 2008 @ 07:15 PM
Sorry it's not a fake and I saw the same phenomena all week end during my stay.

Some power ups were while the ships were stationary and others while they were on the move.

In the eye's of an aviation regulatory body I am classed by law as an "Approved Observer" ....

posted on May, 29 2008 @ 07:28 PM

Originally posted by jpvskyfreak
This is also recent power up footage taken by James and this is what happens all the time .... it's amazing how when you zap them with the laser pointer they react ... either by shooting off or powering up.

hehe, the one guy,

"My eyesite is so good, I saw it in three different, uhmm wait, maybe not. But these multi-vitamins I'm takeing are amazing!"

What was that all about????

But other than the guys sounding a like they may have just smoked, the video is quite impressive, what type of lazer/light beam were you useing to try and target the object with. Was it a simple penlight, a big mag-light, or a huge spotlight?

As for discounting the first image deemed impossible to be a moth because it would have to be half the size of your friend and yours heads....

Meet the Cecropia....

"The cecropia moth is one of the largest moths found in North America. It is a member of the Saturniidae family, or giant silk moths. Females with a forewing length of 75 mm or more have been documented. It is found as far west as the Rocky Mountains and north into the maritime provinces of Canada. The larvae of these moths are most commonly found on Maple trees, but they have been known to feed on Wild Cherry and Birch trees among many others."

Do any of these areas where it makes it's home coincide with where that image was taken?

Anyway, they are extremely large, and the 75mm is the body length, these things have like a 12 inch wingspan, amazing creatures. When they fly by a light near you, you can easily mistake them for a medium sized bird, they are that big.

Just have a look at this one, I don't see why butterflies get all the attention these moth's are incredibly nice to look at.

Either way, good thread, I'll give it a flag, but The smoking gun picture is in my proffessional opinon a smudge, just so happens to be the largest of the other 10 on the lense of the camera, so it was the "chosen smudge".

BTW, before anyone challenges my proffessional opinion, I'll have you know, that working as a plumbimg mechanic for 10+ years.. I am an expert in all things relating to dirt, dust, smudges, grease, grime, ect

[edit on 29-5-2008 by Nola213]

posted on May, 29 2008 @ 07:31 PM
I'm also intrigued by this ranch but hesitant because of the string of worthless photo's from there. At this point I think you are relaying the truth but the photo's don't convey that. I won't question your account, but just the worth of the photo's.

I have no idea whether you saw something of note or not. You are highly paid people who could easily afford good equipment, so why the worthless photo's. Next time take good gear with you and keep your lenses clean and be aware of how to use it. Pro SLR's can take much better photo's after dark than film ever could and you can pick up a D200 fairly cheap or even better a D300 or D3 with some good VR Lenses. The new D3 will shoot at remarkable ISO's and will take a clear photo in candlelight with no flash. Match that with the new 600mm 2.8 VR Lens and you could prove what you saw instead of explaining the bad photo's.

One of the reasons so many are skeptical of that ranch is the pictures of bugs or water spots on lenses were and continue to be misrepresented. We have to wonder why if so many have been there, why nobody has taken a decent photo to date.

Many of us are being mis characterized as skeptics, when in fact we are just being honest. Most of us believe in UFOs and are here for that reason. It gets tiring when thread after thread professing proof in pictures ends up being bug's, bird's, smudges, water-spots or lens aberrations. I can go out with around $3,0000 worth of gear in my bag and get an excellent photo of a commercial aircraft in the sky day or night. Why is it nobody who has been to this ranch can do the same. You could learn how in a few evenings. A moth reflecting the flash is not an alien entity or a UFO. A smudge, which looks remarkably like a dirty lens is not a UFO.

If it helps, you can shoot a shot of a bright star out of focus and exactly duplicate many UFO images posted on the web. Mars makes a nice red one. Shooting them out of focus increases their size dramatically

I suspect some kind of con is happening at that ranch, but I'll give it the benefit of the doubt. Could it be that people are so hyped by the time they get there that they see ordinary things as extraordinary? Add to this the money spent and the mind could fill in the rest.

You would have had a better response had you admitted to yourself you took no useful pictures and just related your first hand account. Adding the pictures to the mix just sets off alarm bells to us who know what we are looking at. This is not YouTube.

To the person who wanted the "experts" to look at the photo's, not all "experts" advertise. What you are reading here about the photo's is pretty accurate and yes, I did look at them all and even downloaded and checked them thoroughly before posting. Bugs are bugs and smudges are smudges. The most obvious is the insect in the flash. You see, for the whites to be completely blown out that would have to be an object the size of an insect very close to the lens and flash. I've had so many photo's ruined by those damn bugs I can't guess at the number.

posted on May, 29 2008 @ 07:48 PM
reply to post by Blaine91555

Perhaps James is more into filming than photography.

After all, he says he now has over 80 hours of video footage of the ships......

posted on May, 29 2008 @ 07:57 PM

Originally posted by MrdDstrbr
reply to post by Blaine91555

Perhaps James is more into filming than photography.

After all, he says he now has over 80 hours of video footage of the ships......

I'm willing to keep an open mind. I won't bend on the obvious bug photo's however. I've taken to many of them myself. The orbs are mostly water spots or out of focus lights. I shoot and process as much as 50 gigs of photo's most weeks and sometimes more. Most are deleted and I feel good if I get a dozen useful shots in a week. Many outdoors shots are deleted due to bugs and that bug that caught the flash is such a classic it can't be debated. A pilot understands field of view and perspective. An insect a few inches from the lens would look as large as spread hand a few feet away depending on the lens used. The fact that the reflected flash totally blew out the whites proves that it was much closer to the lens than the person in the background. No way around that.

posted on May, 29 2008 @ 08:06 PM
Meh, something's fishy about this. I could just come here and pretend I'm an experienced pilote, too, after 1-2 hours of small reaserches.

Or, on the other hand, he could be right, after all, who am I to deny this?

But trust me, if this is true and the US Government or any other organization willing to keep us in ignorance founds out about this, next thing you know you'll be lying on your couch with a bullet in your head shot by a professional sniper, going back home to get paid. What I mean is that people might actually take this seriously if it can be true.

If it can be true.

posted on May, 29 2008 @ 08:29 PM
I too do not see anything substantial in the photos but the video of the power up is unusual.

Someone posted before “why hasn’t some gone there the latest video equipment and filmed this stuff”. True

I would like to see ATS do a field trip to the Ranch and bring us a new perspective on the goings on out there.

If Springer was to stay at the ranch and see these objects and report as much here does that bring credibility?.

posted on May, 29 2008 @ 08:35 PM
reply to post by BladeGlint

Yeah, again, in his ATS Mix interview James said he now has over 80 hours of video footage. The overwhelming majority of which he doesn't have available online.

Perhaps that's where Springer and ATS could be of assistance, in helping him get a lot more of his footage online.....?

posted on May, 29 2008 @ 08:49 PM

Originally posted by RiotComing

To me, that video is AMAZING!!! In my opinion, it's the video that should be getting all the attention and not the photographs.

I guess I'm not sure what you are seeing that is amazing?

I converted the file to individual frames. Here is one of the better ones at full resolution. I see a white light and lens flare.

The blue cast would rule out a conventional flashlight, but it could be a tungsten LCD, halogen or a couple of others. Judging by the flare it got pretty bright. Not enough in the film to give any clues really.

posted on May, 29 2008 @ 08:54 PM
reply to post by Springer

Take a photographer with good equiptment with you. If it is not allowed that could be revealing as well.

I think it is great that ATS, meaning you, are willing to do these things. Now for the Roswell Documents??? Just kidding

posted on May, 29 2008 @ 08:55 PM
Thanks for posting this information OP,

And I must thank you for supplying your credentials to Springer and Johnny, that was admirable.


Glad to see you are willing to go check out the ranch, I understand why you want to go there when it's "less crowded". Here's a concern of mine, and to everyone reading this, it in no way reflects my views on all the experiences going on at the Gilliland Ranch...

Springer you're the perfect one to go and check it out because of your hard-nosed, totally logic common sense, yet open-minded enough and TRAINED enough to actually get some decent photos and video PROOF.

What I fear is, if you go, and nothing of note happens, everyone who is there will say "He didn't believe, he interfered with the vibes"..."it was an off weekend or few days" for whatever reason and there will be excuses etc.

With that said, I am thinking that you will have to actually go at least twice or three times...and make sure.

I am skeptical about these claims as some of us are, but with the pilot throwing in his 2 cents, and some of the footage, not these pictures which I think are flimsy at best...but with eyewitness testimony thrown in, and other videos I have seen, yes I think it's worthy of investigation but it has to be done right as I am sure you're thinking too.

Perhaps doing somewhat of a double or triple blind scenario, if that's possible to make sure there cannot be claims like I stated above.

And surely, I don't know if they charge for this kind of thing, for these weekends or days spent there etc....surely, in the spirit of getting a thorough investigation, they will waive any fees that they usually charge, if they do charge, I have no clue on that....But if they DO charge, surely in the interest of fairness and getting the word will simply have the costs of getting there, hotel, rental car etc...and NOT be charged to check it out.

That's my feeling on all of this. For what it's worth
Keep us updated Springer! As I'm sure you will.

posted on May, 29 2008 @ 09:03 PM
These things move around and they can be as low as about 10,000ft because some of them that we watched were below the peak of Mt Adams and moved from left to right in between us at the ranch and the mountain... Mt Adams peak is about 12,700ft I think.

Even when they stop powering up you can still see them on the night vision goggles that James has ....they just lingering around and move around.

According to James .... Jay Leno's crew came up to debunk him and instead went away with amazing footage but never published or broadcast what they had taken.

James is flat out he's trying to run a farm a guest house a radio show once a week publish material ect ect ... if anyone is in the area and has the time and can help get the material I am sure he would appreciate the help.

posted on May, 29 2008 @ 09:04 PM
I find it interesting that when you I try to look at Mt Adams on a Google Maps in Satellite mode, the whole area is low res and you can zoom in close at all. It sure would be interesting to see a high-res aerial image of this area to look for anomalies in the terrain!

After watching some of the videos, I'm ready to pay a visit out there myself.


posted on May, 29 2008 @ 09:16 PM
I did go over and check out the site. Some beautiful scenery for sure.

While I was at that site, I was intrigued by the first pic, the one with the ship over the mountains. It's called ship2small.

Anyway, I enlarged it a bit to get a better view.

Seems like a block of pixelation around the ship. Can you see it? And did you see anything like that when you were observing it?

posted on May, 29 2008 @ 09:23 PM
reply to post by jpvskyfreak

Sounds like Springer going could be a good thing then. You seem credible so you have my interest. I wish I could pull of a trip of that nature but I can only leave in the mid-winter due to work.

I think most of us want nothing more than to find proof, so don't let us dissecting everything discourage you. I do believe you saw things that impressed you. Sounds like you had a good time.

To date, from what I've seen, Springer is a very reliable, honest witness. His opinion would hold a lot of weight.

posted on May, 29 2008 @ 09:24 PM
reply to post by firegoggles

Your research wouldn't be just a bunch of stories that are all around on the net. would it? The Bible can not be used factual evidence since there is nothing to back 98%(a guess) of the stories in there. So what is research compiled of that makes your opinion so much better than the rest or ours on here. Being a believer in Christ does not make it better maybe just a little gullible like those that are willing to believe just about anything put forth to them. The doubters of these photo's must also prove that it can be recreated, it's a must when you make statements meant to be fact , such as it's an upside spider, moth....etc. People who debunk stuff should also be held to the same scrutiny as people who claim to phtograph ufos, give us proof and also credentials of your photographic expertise to make such statements as these. You ask for them to prove thier pilots then also give your credentials. I don't know if believe these are aliens, angels or whatever but to me they are ufo's as The Unidentified and Flying and are Objects.

posted on May, 29 2008 @ 09:42 PM
reply to post by Springer

This would be OFF THE HOOK...If a couple members from ATS went up there for a few nights with high res recording and photo equipment, this could be absolutely HUGE.

In James' last appearence on Coast to Coast, Art Bell couldn't stop talking about JUST HOW MANY e-mails and correspondence he had recieved from people who had been up there and saw amazing things. He said the number of people who had shared their experiences with him was simply staggering...

It is a very special place indeed. And James is one heck of a great character, with an extremely positive and important message and role IMHO.

This would be INCREDIBLE if ATS went there and documented the activity!

posted on May, 29 2008 @ 10:10 PM
reply to post by DimensionalDetective

I agree wholeheartedly, but as to what an earlier poster said, I think that their, (meaning the ranch's) reaction to a full on professional set-up would be a sure tell. In case they allowed it with open arms, then that would be a trip that I will buy a ticket for, hell, I'll send ATS roof of my ticket. Let's saddle up, but call and see what the restrictions are first. But not just cameras, a small radar would be great.

[edit on 29-5-2008 by jasonjnelson]

posted on May, 29 2008 @ 10:13 PM
reply to post by jasonjnelson

Well, on the other thread I posted about James and the Sattva Sanctuary, he claims to have had scientists come up to try and debunk it all, so I don't think he would mind ATS going all out with equipment. The more cameras and field measuring devices, the better I say!

posted on May, 29 2008 @ 10:45 PM
Trust me these things do exist. These are the exact same lights I saw and it wasn’t on a ranch. The other strange thing about this, is that I had a peculiar dream about seeing lights in the sky. The very night before I actually saw them for real. This took place in England on 2 occasions last year. The first time was mid November 07. When myself, and a few passing people witnessed one of these really bright orbs. Well, bright isn’t really the right word. Because I cannot describe just how bright. I can say, it is this brightness that makes you realise straight away. That this is not a star or plane. This thing, was also at quite a low altitude and didn’t make a single sound. It just passed right overhead bobbing in and out of the low cloud cover.

The second time I witnessed these bright orbs, there were 3 of them. These however, were really high altitude and I mean high. Eerily this happened on December 24th at about 10:30pm. I was just walking down the street minding my own business. When it was like someone had just switched 2 very bright lights on in the sky. The 3rd one appeared about 10 seconds after the first two and seemed to flicker on, before becoming as bright as the first two. I can tell you I just stood there opened mouthed. Watching and just waiting for something to happen. I also pointed this out to a couple who were passing by at the same time. And they, like me, just stood and watched. I really was expecting something more to happen, but this lasted just a few minutes. They then disappeared. Just like someone had switched them off.

I really am not bothered if people here don’t believe me. I am mainly writing to give my support to the poster. I was just flabbergasted when I saw his video evidence, as this is exactly what I saw.

A question to the guy who started this thread. Did that bloke on the Ranch say what these things are? I would also like to add. I to suffered a serious accident like him, but mine was on a motorcycle and not in a car. I mention this because on a news report it says about his life changing experiences after his crash. But it doesn’t go on to explain anymore.

[edit on 29-5-2008 by paul2323]

[edit on 29-5-2008 by paul2323]

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