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European Parliament to ban Eurosceptic groups

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posted on May, 29 2008 @ 05:44 AM
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European Parliament to ban Eurosceptic groups


www.telegraph.co.uk

Plans to eliminate Eurosceptics as an organised opposition within the European Parliament are expected to be agreed by a majority of MEPs this summer.

The European Union assembly’s political establishment is pushing through changes that will silence dissidents by changing the rules allowing Euro-MPs to form political groupings.

Under the rule change, the largest and msot pro-EU groups would tighten their grip on the Parliament’s political agenda and keep control of lavish funding.
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posted on May, 29 2008 @ 05:44 AM
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The MEP pushing this is Richard Corbett, a British Labour party member. He wants to get rid of "single issue politicans" but Mr Corbett’s proposals will also give the President of the Parliament sweeping powers to approve or reject parliamentary questions.

Some think the move is political and aimed to block the British Conservative party leaving the EEP-ED and forming a new group. Under the new rules, if you do not have 30 MEPs you are banned from creating a parliamentary group.

The Tories would be forced instead to sit alongside communists, fascists and neo-nazi's. In other words; you might as well sit with the Socialists or the EEP-ED Federalists.

Eurosceptic groups would be banned under the new rules if passed too. Dissident voices will be silenced.

I was once a very pro-European, but this news is scary. The European Union is acting like the Soviet Union not a league of democratic nations of Europe.

www.telegraph.co.uk
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posted on May, 29 2008 @ 05:53 AM
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Not at all surprising; the way Brussels functions is a lot like Moscow in the old days. A joke rubber-stamp parliament, a huge unelected apparatchnik class of bureaucrats, and a politburo of EU leaders.

I recently saw a report that the strength of the Euro is putting fundamental strains on the monetary union, and you might see a core-periphery split between the rich and poor nations, because the Euro is wrecking the budgets of likes of Greece and Ireland and Portugal--these countries are running 20% deficits right now, with no relief in sight.

Puts these petty parliamentary diktats in perspective.



posted on May, 29 2008 @ 05:55 AM
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The European Central Bank will either be reformed or Germany will be kicked out. 14 members of the ECB want a rate cut, but the German run ECB does not.

The German Republic is doing well and does not need interest rates to be lowered.

And, as for the EU as a whole, a split will occur soon between Western and Eastern Europe. Just like the Roman Empire. If the Western members cannot maintain political and finanical control, a seperation will result.

[edit on 29-5-2008 by infinite]



posted on May, 29 2008 @ 05:56 AM
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The way Europe is organized is definitely scary! Couldn't agree more.

First we had the insane European constitution that even after being voted against is still being pushed through with minor insignificant changes. Now we have a ban on opposition? Not total but very effective.

The European Commission, the main executive body is comprised of non-elected individuals and answers to nobody.

If a case is not deemed "receivable" by the European Court of Justice then it can be rejected without appeal.

There is a terrible list of European truths that paint a very scary picture of things to come.

Under recent European legislation, it is now possible for a former citizen to become "nationless" or "stateless" without any means of recourse whatsoever.

Hope things haven't gone too far yet.



posted on May, 29 2008 @ 06:37 AM
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Originally posted by Kupios
The way Europe is organized is definitely scary! Couldn't agree more.


Its a Napoleonic bureaucracy. Pure and simple.

Here is a interesting video; the Commission called the EU a "empire"




posted on May, 29 2008 @ 07:08 AM
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Originally posted by infinite

the Commission called the EU a "empire"



I've been calling the whole EU system that since the day I first understood what it was all about. Theres been talk of a USA style "United States of Europe". OK, that was put forward by an independent candidate who wanted to represent my area as an MEP a few years ago, but I couldn't agree more. Britain is pretty much run from Brussels now. Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't Belgium a pretty powerless nation? Not when they get the French and Germans on side to control more people.

This is just the latest attempt by the "elite" to get a complete stranglehold over the people of Europe. The Roman Empire, The Holy Roman Empire, everything thats gone on in Germany, France, Spain, Britain.. the list goes on. The point I'm trying to make is, the politicians want to control Europe as a whole. They want us, everyday people, to adhere to their standards, and now they're giving themselves the power to completely disregard the popular opinion.

The day this gets passed is the day we change from living in a 'free' democracy to totalitarian fascist regime.

Of course, there are those who believe that happened a long time ago. I for one think it did.
Now they're making it very clear to us we don't have a choice.

Obey or be silenced. Sound familiar?

-Edited to clarify a couple of points


[edit on 29-5-2008 by selfisolated]



posted on May, 29 2008 @ 07:11 AM
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Originally posted by infinite
The European Central Bank will either be reformed or Germany will be kicked out. 14 members of the ECB want a rate cut, but the German run ECB does not.

The German Republic is doing well and does not need interest rates to be lowered.

And, as for the EU as a whole, a split will occur soon between Western and Eastern Europe. Just like the Roman Empire. If the Western members cannot maintain political and finanical control, a seperation will result.


I don't see Germany ever getting kicked out, but a reform push is definitely in the cards--how they wrench away control of the Euro from Germany will be something to see; after all, it was the deal that allowed the Euro to happen--give up the Deutschmark and you get control of the Euro. That will be a battle royal.

And fundamentally, the Euro is absurd: Germany and Greece sharing the same currency?

I think you're right about a split; the enlargement was totally mishandled and should have been two-tiered from the start; you'll never be able to integrate the old core with the outliers, above all economically, and money rules the world. Time will pull the Euro and the EC apart, I agree.



posted on May, 29 2008 @ 08:22 AM
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The unification of Europe has always been attempted by force and brutality. Napoleon tried it, Hitler tried it and now the EU is trying the same.

Why is a referendum not presented to the people of Europe? Why is unification being sought through the back door?

This video is proof enough that the EU parliament will not tolerate dissent, and that it is authoritarian in nature:




posted on May, 29 2008 @ 08:55 AM
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The Balkans and Eastern Europe are suffering from a European Union scorched earth policy to their economies.

Countries like Croatia and Serbia have no choice but to submit and alter domestic agenda in order to gain EU membership. The organisation is imperial in the sense of bullying and pressuring nations to accept to understand that Europe = European Union.



posted on May, 29 2008 @ 08:58 AM
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My heart goes out to our European neighbors. You have endured much and are struggling to maintain some semblance of say in your own destinies. That this body claims to retains the right to disallow or repress your collective will is truly a ominous sign.

It will soon come to pass that the US, Canada, and to a lesser degree Mexico, will face a similar 'over' government - undoing centuries of toil and commitment to preserve the nature of inalienable rights and government 'of the people'. I hope we can learn from your example how best to contend with the ever increasing movement to centralize control through financial aggression and 'democratic' farces.



posted on May, 29 2008 @ 10:55 AM
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Is it really any surprise that the 2 countries who have led the EU since it's conception are the very same countries that tried and failed to rule europe by force.

Liberté, Equalité, Fraternité - noble sentiments, but not as noble as they appear on the surface.

The next move, coming in a few years, will be to abolish monarchies, and then to abolish national government, and then the dream of napolean will be complete.
One europe under french rule - with a bit of german thrown in, because now they've let them in they can't kick them out.

Then again, by the philosophy of bonaparte, it will be better to rule with another than not rule at all.



posted on May, 29 2008 @ 02:34 PM
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I must say I think the idea of some kind of European-wide body was initially a good one, but it has grown into a bloated, undemocratic bureaucracy. I would say I'm pro-Europe but anti-Brussels/Strasbourg; the idea of an informal community for economic purposes is a good one.

What I strongly dislike is the attempts to push social, political and cultural legislation onto everyone which seems to have been creeping in since the 1980s/early 1990s (especially post-Maastricht Treaty). This needs to be rolled back urgently, with power being returned to national parliaments.

The European Union should revert back to being the European Community, and should be primarily an economic entity (perhaps also a diplomatic entity when necessary too) but no more than that. If the UK pushed for these kinds of reforms I think we'd find a great deal of support from Eastern Europe and it may very well stir similar desires in Western Europe (remember, the French and the Dutch voted against the European Constitution - this suggests that the Dutch and French public does not want further integration).



posted on May, 29 2008 @ 05:38 PM
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The EU president said 'British, French and German' cultures are not under threat. The ommission of smaller nations, particularly Holland (whom asked the question) is startling considering their cultures are generally more specific and pronounced than large homogenuous states. Whatr is 'British' culture... there is Scottish culture, English culture, etc.

He is basically saying large homogenuous states will have their culture in tact.

The EU is corrupt to the bone. I am British and part-German, I have voted pro-European parties. I believe the current Union will fail, it is being run by aristocrats, who excuse misallocation of resources in the name of 'getting things done' or 'networking'. 'Networking' is making friends with people in authority in order to obtain financing.

The Union will crumble, there will be a backlash to this. No one country can control Europe. Western Europe is no longer the centre of the world, the rich in these countries will be forced to accept this sooner or later.



posted on May, 29 2008 @ 06:29 PM
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Thanks for this infinite, this is good information for people like me who arn't wholly up to date on the workings of the EU.

So we have it from the horses mouth himself the EU is the first "non imperial empire"

And an empire is usualy "formed by force with a center that was imposing a dictatorship"....thats exactley what it looks like EU is doing by forcing through this legislation and not giving the people a say, he can dress it up all he wants but "empire" and "dictatorship" seem like the only terms you could use to identify the EU

Excellent vid 44soulslayer it was pretty shocking to see the scorn which was being heaped on the protesters by other MEP's, kudos to Nigel Farage for standing up to them he really gave them a piece of his mind.


I AM SPARTACUS!!!



posted on May, 29 2008 @ 06:52 PM
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I too once believed in a union of europe,but tyranny raises its head in many guises and we must ALL be vigilant against despotism in ANY form.

The EU WILL destroy that which it seeks to encompass.Be alert,be informed and be proud of resistance.



posted on May, 30 2008 @ 04:19 AM
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The EU will destroy itself before it destroys the people of Europe. Every time someone has tried to conquer Europe they have eventually been defeated... be it Napoleon, the Nazis, the Soviet Union or whoever.

I feel this is what will happen to the EU. The bureaucrats at Brussels will try to push things further which will only breed resentment - then it only takes a major country (Germany, France, the UK etc.) to decide to withdraw and the whole edifice could come crashing down.

Support for a European 'superstate' is small, and usually limited to the left. If you think Eastern European nations want the EU to dominate them, then think again (remember they've only been free of communism for twenty years - since 1945 most Eastern European countries were under the Soviet Union's sphere of influence) - and Western European nations have proud traditions, heritage and ways of doing things. They will not give up these things easily.

Like I said, the EU should go back to being the EC and should limit itself to mainly economics. I also think Gordon Brown has been thoroughly vindicated by keeping us out of the Euro, but I suppose that's another issue.



posted on May, 30 2008 @ 05:59 AM
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ECB will be reformed (due to current problems of the German controlled ECB not giving a interest rate cut) and we will end up in it. Will the EU destroy itself?

It depends.

Only way to unite Europe, with public support, if there was a massive global war that killed millions and millions in Europe. After the war, we would have no choice but to build a United States of Europe.



posted on May, 30 2008 @ 06:18 AM
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The Irish may turn out to be the "saviours" of europe - ironic really that one of the smallest countries who have benefitted hugely from being in europe may veto the treaty of lisbon.

Just to guage a bit of opinion I've been speaking to my dad and other family members over there over the last couple of weeks, and it seems the church has stepped in, stating abortion as one of the reasons they should vote no.

I know this is hardly representative, but it seems there are many who have concerns over the abortion issue and also divorce - and priests at the local level have been including it in their sermons.

I've been espousing the dangers of europe and the unelected elite for quite some time, only to be slated by those who believed the hype put forth by the eurocrats.

Let's be honest here - these people see themselves as better than the rest of us, and think they know what's best for everyone.

They may well be right on some counts, but we HAVE to have accountability and a democratic process.

I also think that this is yet another blow against brown - politicians need to start listening to the people, and taking on board what they say.

[edit on 30/5/2008 by budski]



posted on May, 30 2008 @ 06:56 AM
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Why do you think we'll end up in it?

Unless the reform happens in the next two years I would say the likelihood of us joining is slim, especially after the next election (where it looks as if the Conservatives might win).



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