Even the FBI Is Outraged over U.S. Torture (Inc DOJ Report)

Even the FBI Is Outraged over U.S. Torture (Inc DOJ Report)

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A few brave souls from the FBI even compiled a "war crimes file," suggesting the unthinkable -- that we might come to be judged as guilty by the standard we have imposed on others. Superiors in the Justice Department soon put a stop to such FBI efforts to hold CIA agents and other U.S. officials accountable for the crimes they committed.

That this systematic torture was carried out not by a few conveniently described "bad apples" but rather represented official policy condoned at the highest level of government was captured in one of those rare media reports that remind us why the Founding Fathers signed off on the First Amendment.

"These were not random acts," The New York Times editorialized. "It is clear from the inspector general's report that this was organized behavior by both civilian and military interrogators following the specific orders of top officials. The report shows what happens when an American president, his secretary of defense, his Justice Department and other top officials corrupt American law to rationalize and authorize the abuse, humiliation and torture of prisoners."

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So it's now official, according to the FBI that there were specific orders from top officials to torture captives - many of whom were later released without charge.

The oficial DOJ report is couched in the usual bureaucratic language but the message is quite clear.

The defenders of bush will say that he didn't know about this, or that he didn't order it - in other words they say is not a war criminal, but an incompetent.

I don't believe that for one minute - this was a concerted and orchestrated campaign of torture that came from the very top, and that shows in the protection of those who were on the front end of the torture policy - they are being protected in order to protect those who gave the orders.

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[edit on 29/5/2008 by budski]

Originally posted by budski

The defenders of bush will say that he didn't know about this, or that he didn't order it - in other words they say is not a war criminal, but an incompetent.

I think they'll go you one better--as W himself has often hinted--and say first that the torture isn't really torture, and then the fall-back position, that the torture was necessary for "national security"--that black hole all our rights get sucked into.

In the end, they'll spin it as tough and decisive--the Geneva Conventions are for wimps.

Now, just wait...

reply to post by gottago


Well, in that case, they will be saying that one of their own government agenies are liars.

The FBI have been very clear about this, and regardless of shrub&co's stonewalling, I'd guess that they have more expertise in the area.

In fact, the FBI stating something this clearly is an indication of just how bad things are in the detention camps.

reply to post by budski

Well, in that case, they will be saying that one of their own government agenies are liars.

LOL -- we all know ALL of them are a bunch of big fat liars, budski. And the one time one of them tells the truth to hold others accountable, the honesty and integrity will be questioned by those being 'fingered.'

It's 'our' own damn fault for not wrenching the abused power out of the hands of this Admin. and all of Congress by now... by any means necessary.

It's a pity you didn't quote all of my point - that being that the naysayers are SURE that shrub and all his little men don't lie, can't lie and have never lied, despite the vast amount of evidence to the contrary.

So now the naysayers are caught between a rock and a hard place - either shrub&co lied or the FBI and DOJ are lying.

They now have to choose which one.

[edit on 29/5/2008 by budski]