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"Lucy" finished and debunked




Topic started on 29-5-2008 @ 01:13 AM by Hollywood11


No Missing Link to link Humans to Apes exists! Skepticism and atheism down the toilent yet again!
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No missing link
www.jpost.com...



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[edit on 29-5-2008 by 12m8keall2c]



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reply posted on 29-5-2008 @ 05:50 AM by Vanitas


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Actually, this IS a "skeptic" article: it is skeptical of a set of traditional scientific findings.

Anyway, it is interesting.



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reply posted on 29-5-2008 @ 05:54 AM by madnessinmysoul


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1: nothing in the first article "debunks" lucy, it only says that it's not a direct ancestor. it states that she is still an ancestral relative. like a great great great great great great aunt instead of a grandmother
2: one study does not make an idea completely valid.



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reply posted on 29-5-2008 @ 01:46 PM by Hollywood11



Originally posted by Vanitas
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Actually, this IS a "skeptic" article: it is skeptical of a set of traditional scientific findings.

Anyway, it is interesting.







When I say "Skepticism", I'm actually referring to popular religous belief system.

You know atheists, materialists, etc. People like James Randi, Michael Shermer, Richard Dawkins, and all their little fanboys and followers who hate all paranormal research and hate religions.



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reply posted on 29-5-2008 @ 02:18 PM by Vanitas





When I say "Skepticism", I'm actually referring to popular religous belief system.

You know atheists, materialists, etc. People like James Randi, Michael Shermer, Richard Dawkins, and all their little fanboys and followers who hate all paranormal research and hate religions.


I know what you meant.
It's just that I am a skeptic - a true, healthy, open-minded skeptic - and so I don't like the term to be hijacked by people who are anything BUT skeptics, only their object of veneration (positivist "science") is different...

It's time that thinking people of all persuasions reclaim the term back.




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reply posted on 29-5-2008 @ 02:30 PM by Anonymous ATS


This is probably old news, but how many read the book 'everything you know is wrong' by Lloyd Pye?

He speaks how Lucy is a fraud, and when they laid out her skeleton, her arms should have been lower down her body, representing hominid arms.

I saw a documentary by him in 1999. Very interesting, but again, could be old news.



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reply posted on 29-5-2008 @ 05:47 PM by Heronumber0


Great stuff Hollywood. I have to replicate the abstract so people can read this properly:


Published online on April 10, 2007, 10.1073/pnas.0606454104
PNAS | April 17, 2007 | vol. 104 | no. 16 | 6568-6572



BIOLOGICAL SCIENCES / ANTHROPOLOGY
Gorilla-like anatomy on Australopithecus afarensis mandibles suggests Au. afarensis link to robust australopiths

Yoel Rak*,, Avishag Ginzburg*, and Eli Geffen

*Department of Anatomy and Anthropology, Sackler Faculty of Medicine, and Department of Zoology, Faculty of Life Sciences, Tel Aviv University, Tel Aviv 69978, Israel

Edited by David Pilbeam, Harvard University, Cambridge, MA, and approved February 26, 2007 (received for review July 28, 2006)


Mandibular ramus morphology on a recently discovered specimen of Australopithecus afarensis closely matches that of gorillas. This finding was unexpected given that chimpanzees are the closest living relatives of humans. Because modern humans, chimpanzees, orangutans, and many other primates share a ramal morphology that differs from that of gorillas, the gorilla anatomy must represent a unique condition, and its appearance in fossil hominins must represent an independently derived morphology. This particular morphology appears also in Australopithecus robustus. The presence of the morphology in both the latter and Au. afarensis and its absence in modern humans cast doubt on the role of Au. afarensis as a modern human ancestor. The ramal anatomy of the earlier Ardipithecus ramidus is virtually that of a chimpanzee, corroborating the proposed phylogenetic scenario.


Peer reviwed and with evidence galore.



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