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posted on May, 29 2008 @ 11:38 PM
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Originally posted by gauncents
reply to post by West Coast
 


I think you are full of ifs, woulds, and coulds. I'm standing strong on an opinion.



Which is your problem, you base your facts off of an uncorroborated opinion.


Also, I find it some what ironic how things are "so bad" for you, yet you still have access to the internet.




posted on May, 29 2008 @ 11:48 PM
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Have you read this whole thread? Also, do you know what forum you are in. This is all speculation. No, I'm not that bad off. Ya, it's tougher than normal and soon to get worse.

Like I've stated twice before. I wont settle for less. I don't base this on total fact. Yes, I've made some sacrifices. I need internet for a living. You base what I need for neccessity for life as if I should just shut it off.
So please don't open your mouth unless you know what the shot is. You know nothing about me.

I am not here to argue with anyone. So West Coast, I offer my hand in friendship...will you shake it?

So many people don't have the means to express these feelings. Should we forget about them? If you make a good enough living does it give anyone the right to bitch to someone that's bitching about how hard times are? If you answer yes to the last question, I suggest you find another topic or forum that fits your fancy or lifestyle and I say goodday to you and move on. If you don't like the topic or me or my views...then you are talking about the same thing that I am. It's so funny to see it come right back. Some people are on such a high horse that they don't even realize that they are doing the same thing that I am right now.



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posted on May, 29 2008 @ 11:52 PM
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You sir live in a very expensive city, I understand the struggles you face, I to face such struggles as a college student, but I do not make excuses for my downfalls.

I do not necessarily like Pres. Bush, but I do think that your speculation is a bit off center, and tilted left.

Good luck with your life. If you are really concerned, I would move to places that are actually booming in the country.



posted on May, 29 2008 @ 11:59 PM
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Just a note...

At the end of 2006, when the Democrats officially took control of congress, gas was just a little over $2.00 us per gallon...

See here..

Gas Price

President Bush had been in office for sometime, the only change was in a NEW Democrat controlled Congress..

Blame it on Bush if you want, heck you can blame it on the Toothfairy.. Doesn't make it true, but you can blame anyone you want to..

Semper



posted on May, 30 2008 @ 12:19 AM
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How can you be poor when you just said you have two kids? you dont need money all you need is family people put too much on money and not enough on their family your kids dont need new toys to play with they need you to play with them. you dont need to buy gas you have 2 legs not even big oil can take that away from you. you say you cant walk everywhere well have i got some good news for you theres a thing called a bus and another called a train they get you to far places with a short walking distance. Im not trying to be an jerk but all that you have complained about is not that big a deal if you look at it the way i just told you. I didnt have the latest and greatest toys growing up so i made my own outa boards and bottle caps and rubber bands some of you know exactly what im talking about lol (board from alley free bottle caps free on the floor everywhere rubber bands free delivered to your door on papers clothes hanger free from your mom shooting you bottle cap gun at your friends.. priceless


I stopped buying my kids toys they had it all psp, ps3, wii, DS, xbox and gamecube as well as all the latest and greatest toys from the full spiderman suit that shoots webs to the new transformers. where are they now?? broken on the floor forgotten scratched dvds all over their bedroom floors and they are sitting there playing with the cheapest stuff now i realize they were getting spoiled they need their imagination so no more new toys everytime we go to the store books ok but no toys..... they are still happy.



posted on May, 30 2008 @ 12:23 AM
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I'm glad you made the effort. I also know many of the homeless need much more help than just a job, which is mainly mentally. I know there are those out there that were mental to begin with, and some that have gone into a deep depression and think nothing good can happen due to previous life experience.

I watched a movie once where a wealthy older woman took the homeless in her home. Before she did, a homeless lady saved her life. When trying to find out why she didn't get a job, the homeless lady said something that stuck with me.

Even if they do get a job, we are just one paycheck away to going back on the streets. Every time it happens, it gets harder and harder to try to get off the streets.

I'm angry that a person can't work and be able to even meet food, shelter, basic utilities, and other necessities to be able to work. Minimum wage hasn't hacked it for awhile now, especially for singles and single parents.

People turned down their nose at $2000 a month and no experience necessary. I would have jumped on that in a hear beat as long as it didn't deal with telemarketing. I had a telemarketing job once to raise funds for various organizations. I never thought I could hate a job. I was almost constantly sick doing that job, that is how much I hated it. Needless to say I'm not doing that any longer.

Unless the job isn't suited for the person at all like telemarketing was for me, why didn't anyone seriously jump on it? People are lucky to make above minimum wage today with no skills.

I recently had to get a job after being unemployed to raise our kids. My skills our out of date, and I know it is hard to get a job when you don't have any, or can't do warehouse work due to physical restrictions such as being able to lift heavy items. I got a night security guard job for $7.25 an hour. I could have looked around more, but I needed a job and there didn't seem to be much else I could have done that would have paid as much.

For $2000 I would have definitely have called and went in for the interview. Heck, as another security guard told me before he went home. Soon people will be lucky to have a job. It surprised me that he also said that they hired young men to do the same job as I'm doing now. I'm not working now, I have the night off. They either never showed up for work, or never made any of the rounds they were suppose to.

I don't care if you are guarding an empty warehouse or a car lot, you do the job you are hired to do to the best of your ability. Even if your feet and legs are killing you be the last round you need to make before going home.

If young people don't have a sense of pride, and doing a job well done. Then they are going to dig themselves a very deep hole. When they come to their senses that they need a job, they are going to wish they got that job way back when. Then they are really going to hate themselves when they find out that employers have either out sourced or in sourced most of the available better paying jobs. They are going to really hate life being a burger flipper.

I do know there are still hard working people in the US, but if the companies can't find enough of the hard working citizens, then no wonder they are looking else ware for others to fill the jobs. It might not totally be that the companies are just looking for a source for cheaper labor, even though many are.

Maybe it is just the area you are in, but somehow I doubt it. With the guards I have talked with so far, there is a very different mentality between the older guards and the younger ones. The older ones have the mentality that you do the work period. There was one that had cancer surgery recently done on his leg. He is still at work, even though he could have retired a long time ago. He is still making the rounds. He skips every other round, but the bosses know why he is doing so. There was another walking around with a cane.

At the first site, a older man trained me, and did a very good and through job. He complained about this younger person who has been there six months, and still doesn't do everything, and tries to take as many short cuts as possible.

At the second job site, I got trained by a younger man. Younger than me. He was hurry up, and breezed through everything. Oh, don't worry about this or that. You don't have to make a round every hour. I'm thinking wanna bet? You are paid to do a certain job, so you better do it. Then I found out from the one employee who works there at night that some of them only go around twice.

I'm thinking I know who they are. The younger ones. Which reminds me I need to take some Kaboom with me and clean the bathroom. I know in that environment that it will get dirty, but heck you don't have to constantly have to leave it that way. It looked like it hasn't been touched in a long time. At least every thing works.

I know it is only $7.25 an hour, but if a person doesn't do a good job at that wage, then what makes them think that they will do any better at a higher wage. You work the $7.25 job as if you already had the better paying job. I guess it is just called work ethics. Some people really need to get some.



posted on May, 30 2008 @ 12:30 AM
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Originally posted by West Coast
I think you have a biased ill-informed opinion OP.

I would also like to point out, if it werent for all the tree hugging liberals, we could drill in alaska and be pretty much energy independent by 2015-2020.

Also, a weaker dollar is partial to blame, as well as Chinas emergence etc.


I still think the tree hugging liberals is mainly just a cover up to get people distracted from the deals that were made to tie the dollar to oil.

If you get a chance, look up Lindsy Williams and the Energy Non-Crisis. www.youtube.com...



posted on May, 30 2008 @ 12:40 AM
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Not blaming the tooth fairy, I just paid her last night. That's so funny that you mention that. Hell $10.00 for 2 teeth. I got a quarter a tooth 30 years ago. We might just be barking up the wrong tree. We might need to string up the tooth fairy!

Bottom line. The price of gas has more than tripled since bush took office. Make all the excuses you want. Dems, Reps, Libs, Indi, mickey mouse, howdy doody, casper the friendly ghost, maybe captain caveman.

The figures speak for themselves.



posted on May, 30 2008 @ 12:58 AM
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It's called a recession.

An economy is a cycle of ups and downs. Think of it as a zigzagging line over the top of a straight line, both on an upward incline. You have a time of prosperity, followed by a time of hardship.

The problem is, both your President GWB, and our former PM, Howard, forced the prosperity to be sustained over a long period of time. What this does is force the downturn, when it finally hits, to be far more severe then it would have been otherwise.

It is predicted that the economy of both our countries will continue you decline for at least another few years before it begins to climb back up. Sadly, things are only going to get worse. It is entirely possible we may go into another Depression.

As some others have said, live simply. Cancel any unneeded contracts such as pay-TV, mobile phones, high speed internet etc. and be prepared.



posted on May, 30 2008 @ 01:10 AM
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To the OP - This isn't a third world country. This is the U.S., the greatest country on Earth. We have equal opportunity here as well as the right to vote. You have a constitution that guarantees your rights as a citizen.

When I read you blaming the president for your problems (nevermind you have no facts to back this up) all I hear are excuses for your economic situation.

If gas is too expensive, move closer to work. If work is too far away, get a new job. Find a job that pays more money. Trade in the gas guzzler for something smaller and more efficient. Stop having children when you can barely support the family you do have right now! Learn to car-pool. Take public transportation? See? These are but a handful of your options. In this great country there are many others that you've no doubt not examined yet.

"Wah wah wah, gas is too expensive and my life is ruined!!!" Please - even if gas was still $1 people like you would be finding someone else to blame for your economic situation. The real problem is your inability to take any sort of responsibility for yourself. God forbid you should be a responsible adult.



posted on May, 30 2008 @ 01:23 AM
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That my friend is the most common answer you could possibly give. How long has government been in power. And we haven't learned anything of how to avoid a depression?

You my friend sound like a pest control company. Put a tent over the poor that are draining the economy by settling for the original topics I mentioned.

Like eating unhealthy foods. Let's strain them so hard that they will die off.

Weak caribou will be hunted down an eaten.

Is this a only the strong will survive system and the hell with the rest.

Now it's feeling that some people are taking the opinion that if you can't make any more sacrifices, the hell with you. It doesn't matter.

I was asked to shut off my internet and cell phone. I need those for life, my living. Nobody asked if I needed them. Nobody asks if roaches need to be in our kitchen, we just kill them.



posted on May, 30 2008 @ 01:24 AM
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You have not read anything but the first page. Oh yeah, bye the way, welcome to ATS Newbie. If you don't have the attention span to read a thread completely, then please don't contribute at all. I must say though, you are very much welcome here if you feel like you would like to contribute within the full thread, then I welcome your thoughts. Screaming boo whoo for something I am not crying about will get you no credibility.

[edit on 30-5-2008 by gauncents]

[edit on 30-5-2008 by gauncents]



posted on May, 30 2008 @ 02:27 AM
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Wow!,
Whine about some shallow BS why don't ya,shallow BS pegged to the price of gas,as if it really means anything other than you apparently are welfare junkie who feels they are entitled to all those un-necessary things you claim you can't afford.....Whiner.
Change what you can,and learn to appreciate what you have,it used to be better ,it used to be worse,it is all a matter of what you think you need and imagine what you think you deserve.
Grow a garden and start riding a bicycle,make toys for your kids or teach them how to amuse themselves,or maybe play with them yourself.
MOST OF ALL,TURN OFF THE FKN TV SET.
You represent what is wrong with this world.
SHEEP,BAAAAAA



posted on May, 30 2008 @ 02:45 AM
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You know what, this thread reminded me of a Family Guy episode a couple of weeks ago.

where Brian and Stewie were arguing about how Brian could possibly have a 13 year old son when Brian himself is only 7.

Then Brian said that it was 7 in dog years

Ha ha ha,


then Stewie says...That doesn't make any sense Brian.

Brian, now pissed that his logic is failing him says

YOU KNOW WHAT, IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT, GO COMPLAIN ON THE INTERNET!


oh, do people here on ATS watch that show?



posted on May, 30 2008 @ 03:19 AM
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I am not going to belittle your situation. I know how bad it can be. It was one of the reasons I left California in the first place.

Now, I am the sole provider for a family of four. My wife could work, but we crunched the numbers, and it didn't make financial sense. How could a second income not make financial sense? Day care.

The cost of day care is extremely high. Now, multiple that by two children. The next thing you know, you have to be bringing in over 50k a year to pay for it. This is 18k more then my wife's highest paying job ever. As such, it would cost us more to have her work then to have her stay at home with the kids.

Sometimes what appears to be a quick and easy solution (having wife work) will actually cause more problems.

With the area of advice, I can't give any. We don't know your exact financial situation. We don't have a list of your expenses and income. As such, we can't give you advice without making uninformed assumptions.

Your statement about bottled water - well, given that you brought up the cost of bottled water, it was a safe assumption that you purchased it, or otherwise why would you bring it up? Bottled water was always over priced. Personally, I am more concerned about the gallon of milk that costs more then a gallon of gas, to make sure my kids get the nutrition they need.

Some of the things I have done to cut down expenses may or may not be relevent to your situation, but perhaps they could help.
1) Don't eat out as much. Cooking is much cheaper, especially if i is for a family.
2) The commute car is a 4-banger that gets pretty good gas milage. I miss my old V-8, but why do I really need it?
3) Clip coupons. The cost of a Sunday paper pays for itself 10 fold easily if you take the time to look through it.

I am not really sure what you are looking for in this thread other then a venue to rant in. Personally, I find congress more at fault then President Bush. However, I worry more about what I can do to help my situation then take it to attacking members of our government. If I don't agree with their voting record, my voting record will reflect that.

There are worse places in the world to live in. I am thankful I am not in one of those.



posted on May, 30 2008 @ 03:24 AM
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There is no question that you will find life hard. I sympathize with you, but complaining about the economy on a left-field forum isn't exactly going to help matters either.

I wasn't trying to give you a generic answer, i was simply trying to explain the economics behind it. The west has had it too good for too long and something had to give. Now it is the average American that is paying for it.

Governments have been around long enough to know that an economy has downturns, but guess what, they want the economy to crash, and crash hard. Both Bush and Howard knew that the downturn wouldn't start until around when they left office. That means that the public will see an incoming government with the nation falling around their ears and say 'oh it was so much better under Bush'.

It has already started in Australia. Every man and their dog are complaining about how much prices and fuel have gone up since Rudd came into power. Truth is, Howard left him with nothing to work with. The economy had peaked and was about to plummet and Rudd was left with the pieces.

Same thing is happening to you in the US.



posted on May, 30 2008 @ 03:34 AM
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Maybe people aren't happy working 80 hours a week so they can hug their money and their stuff.

Maybe the reason you are having trouble finding reliable employees is because people are tired of working for a living.

They wanna LIVE, dammit!

I mean, who do we owe for ending up alive here and now?

Who do we kneel down and please because they so generously granted us the right to work until we die?

This is all a big giant trap, and I see we've got plenty of mice willing to run with that.

I would love it if society crumbled. No more of this bull# wasting half of our natural born lives earning worthless paper.

Look at our society and blame it on everything except the real problems. That's a surefire way to accomplish absolutely nothing.



posted on May, 30 2008 @ 04:52 AM
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Originally posted by jerico65

Originally posted by gauncents
A bottle of water costs more. But is water a right or a priviledge?


What, don't have tap water?

[edit on 29-5-2008 by jerico65]


I'm sorry, but I'm not drinking water with fluoride and chlorine, that's just crazy.



posted on May, 30 2008 @ 05:02 AM
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2000$ A month? Is that position filled? I can relocate. I'm a fast learner and can lift 70 lbs or so.

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posted on May, 30 2008 @ 05:25 AM
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The first thing that comes to my mind is get a life, but we all need to try and add some sanity to this converstion if you can call it that. First of all blaming gas prices for your failure in yourself and to your family is crazy. You know to blame President Bush for high gas prices is crazy. People who sell gas want to keep it reasonable to they can keep getting cash, once it becomes unreasonable then the people selling it hurts. This is going to hurt the big oil companies bad, why do you think all the top CEO's are getting huge dividend checks....becasue next year or the year after there wont be anything to take. The people that have drove up oil prices are number one the people out to hurt fari trade, which is non commercial countries, anotherwords countries that deal in fear and hate, rather than trade, number two, I myself knowing this first hand from living in Alaska is the far left loons, that want to put Polar Bears on the endangered species list. That pretty much is what has kept the oil fields here closed is people using backdoor tatics to keep the fields closed. So are fields are closed and we basically gave the people that want to hurt us a gun and then let them put it to our heads.
I firmily believe if your going to blame the President for your failures, you need to move to a differnt country and see how many handouts another countries goverment will give you. I am sorry but I tried to refrain from doing this but to blame someone else for your mistakes is Pathetic especially when the answer to your problem is so clear. The oil companies have been dealt a killing blow, you better believe it, they are going to bleed out in the next year from this blowout, ppl are turning from gas as we speak. Amazing fuel alternatives will come to light in the next year or so and gas companies will take thier windfall they got and die out.
I suggest instead of blaming others for what you dont have, pick yourself up like millions of americans do and go at it again. This is one of the only countries in the world where you can start out with nothing and legally end up with all your dreams.....but Im sure you know that your just to bias or have to much self pity to wipe away the tears and relize it.



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