Childish you say ? I am childish, because I want to.
I have no intention of following any rituals or norms of society, so most of the people caught in the trap of "respectable clothing", "respectable position", "mature talk only !, no laughing !" look at me strange

Look at Dalai Lama, you will see how he behaves in public, see the movie "10 questions for the Dalai Lama". He cares not about "etiquette" , but he is a good person.

So if Obama is childish I say it could be a good thing. I did not see him to know more about him, anyway he will not be my president Anyway I don't trust any of your candidates for now, I think they are fabricated, maybe except Ron Paul

[edit on 29-5-2008 by pai mei]

Originally posted by pai mei

Look at Dalai Lama, you will see how he behaves in public, see the movie "10 questions for the Dalai Lama". He cares not about "etiquette" , but he is a good person.
So if Obama is childish I say it's a good thing

God.... we're in deep trouble, aren't we?

We've actually reached a point where people say with a straight face that it's a good thing that the potential POTUS is childish. Sorry, but I would prefer a POTUS who is mature, experienced, and is more adult-like than childish.

What's even more bizarre, and totally unfounded by the way, is the attempt to associate BO with the Dalai Lama.

Dalai Lama = spiritual leader.
POTUS = Commander in Chief

Dalai Lama = lifetime of spiritual and humanatarian leadership
Obama = street organizer in Chicago; opportunistic politician.

Get the difference?

I don't know how many of you geniuses have ever been on the Law Review at one of the top 5 universities in the world, but Barack Obama has.

I lived in Hyde Park (South Side of Chicago) during the years when Barack was a lecturer there at the UofC as well as a community organizer. He worked out at the same gym that I did (I was working at the UofC at that time) and sometimes he would get into pickup games with us. He's a few years younger than me, and a much better ballplayer, but there was a fair amount of chit chat.

I can tell you that if there is one thing that is not a property of Barack Obama, it is an "infantile mentality". In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if he's not one of the most intelligent, thoughtful and capable men to have ever run for US President.

Look, if you don't want a liberal, or a black guy to be President that's fine. You can be completely satisfied with George Bush or John McCain if you thought the last eight years were what you want to see in America. But please don't use stupid ad hoc insults like "infantile mentality".

Personally, I'm a little more optimistic about the direction of the country when it's not being run by people who have sold themselves to corporate interests. And I'd definitely prefer someone who has a record of intellectual accomplishment to someone who's claim to fame is that he crashed a plane in the jungle and then broke under torture.

Originally posted by drwizardphd
I don't see how any of those quotes, or any of his wife's quotes, or any pictures of him talking on the phone or smoking a cigarette would lead one to beleive that Barack Obama has an "infantile mentality".

It's almost as if you have nothing to attack him on, so you attack him on things that no one would ever attack anyone on.

What I mean to say is, looking at those quotes, there's nothing there! Nothing that would be even remotely close to a character defaming slip-up. You can poke around and find funny out-of-context quotes from any politician.

Stop taking shots in the dark, and challenge the man on the issues and not some dumb quotes.

I was going to publish the same sentiments as this. These are nothing but out of context quotes and as for the OP's alluding to Obama's intelligence - C'mon... If Obama lacks intelligence, then Bush is a monkey.

When are people going to realize that a lack of public speaking skills, especially off the cuff, is not a statement for or against intelligence. I'm not the greatest speaker in the world, yet I'm fairly intelligent.

How many of you are skilled public speakers? Comfortable with clowns shoving microphones into your face? How many of you would be able to make totally intelligent and on point comments every single time?

Originally posted by vuoto

I can tell you that if there is one thing that is not a property of Barack Obama, it is an "infantile mentality". In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if he's not one of the most intelligent, thoughtful and capable men to have ever run for US President.

Intelligence as defined by law professors at Ivy League colleges is not necessarily mutually exclusive from immaturity.

The claim that Obama can intellectualize any issue with the best ivory-towered professors doesn't mean he's not immature. Of course even his statements regarding the issues display feigned intelligence, not a genuine grasp of the issues. How many times has he "fine tuned" his proposed talking-with-terrorists policy?

The quotes cited were not out of context in any way, and even were missing some of the better examples, including "sweetie-gate" and his lame attempt at an apology after the fact. Of course the "lay off my wife" still might be my favorite.

Also, thanks for helping prove my theory that Obama defenders are incapable of defending Obama's lame comments without citing Bush's lame comments. If Obama's comments weren't lame in and of themselves, you should be able to explain them without referring to Bush.

Originally posted by SteveR

Originally posted by lee anoma
This proves what exactly?

That the President of the United States should have some dignity about him. Barack's quotes and even his image shows that America could have eight more years of the same undignified leadership. It doesn't matter if you're black or white, young or old, left or right. Idiots come in many forms.

McCain smoked 2 packs a day until the 80's, not just an occasional cig 2 PACKS A DAY!!! He also has had melanoma twice and squameous cell carcinoma on his leg once... Basically here is a man who can't even manage to put on sun screen, but yet we are going to let him be the ruler of the free world? The melanoma I believe had spread to his regional lymph nodes, for all you non-path people out there, that is some really bad juju, I believe this means the chance of it returning is greater than 60 or 70%. Oh let us not forget his prostate cancer! I just hope we all take a serious look at who his running mate will be since there is a good chance that is who is going to be running the country!

Here is a conspiracy for you... Lets say this may be a way to get someone into the whitehouse that none of us has voted for!

Correction- There was no metastasis to the regional lymph nodes! My Bad Sorry!

Dr. T

I think that when one hates a person, misdeeds can be interpreted rather easily. Take the Patriot Act for a moment. It was stated earlier that he voted for this questionable bill. Let's say that hypothetically he decided to vote against it. The same Obama "haters" would exclaim from the mountain tops that Barack Obama supports terrorism because he didn't vote for the PA. He wanted to make sure that his Muslim friends could run rampant on American soil. The point is politics is a dirty game but it must be played (kabuki as Arnold would refer to it).

I can't say whether he would make a great President as it cannot be a position to be taken lightly. It would just seem that experience in Washington is a double edged sword that can split atoms with its edges. In the last forty years we have seen the war on drugs that has imprisoned more americans than any other country (Stalin would be impressed), we have seen conflicts of interest go unchecked (oil man President comes to mind), we have seen corruption and mismanagement on a grand scale (being from Massachusetts the Big Dig really sticks out), we have also seen the heroes of our freedom also known as soldiers, marines, etc. take a backseat to privatized military forces who in my mind could possibly strike us if there was a high enough bid, etc. This IS a time for a "change" I don't know if Obama could usher in that change, but I doubt McCain will and unfortunately for us the bi-partisan system won't allow anyone else with a great idea to restore glory to anyone.

"If Obama lacks intelligence, then Bush is a monkey."

Hey geekfan, don't insult the monkeys. Seriously. Not joking.

Though I haven't been able to bring myself to get altogether excited about Obama, I'm keeping an open mind, and might even vote for him in November (being that he's the closest one to being civilized enough among the current 3). Funny how someone who doesn't come across as the typical self-righteous and/or warmongering twit that a HUGE percentage of Americans expect in a candidate is a threat to them and their twisted, backward "values." However, again, this crapola excuse of an election is about politics/government as we KNOW it - across the board on "both sides of the aisle" - so I'm not really interested. No one is willing to address the real or biggest problem - monolithic rule by secrecy or the National Security STATE itself. tidings of comfort and joy

The reason I can't stand this guy is really simple: he's a socialist/marxist.

I think you Americans are really in the fry'n pan on this one IMO it doesn't mean a great deal who wins the election as they are all reading from the same script.
The players may change but the game plan always remains

We don't even know if the quotes are real!!!! This is just an Obama hater taking shots in the dark!! Man up with some links!!

I'm just saying that if this was any other topic on this forum at all everybody would be screaming for links, but since it's Obama hating evreybody is Ok with it? I'm not even for Obama I'm just stating the obvious.