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House Approved HR4279 - The New Property Seizure Law!

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posted on May, 28 2008 @ 07:50 PM
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House Approved HR4279 - The New Property Seizure Law!




If you boil it down to brass tax, this legislation allows the U.S. government to lawfully seize your computer if it has one unauthorized mp3 file on its hard drive. It also provides the authorization for the creation of offices within the executive branch to enforce a law that is impossible to enforce..
(visit the link for the full news article)

Lee Rogers - May 9, 2008 - posted at www. roguegovernment. com

www.roguegovernment.com...







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posted on May, 28 2008 @ 07:50 PM
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I knew many moons ago that allowing the people to run roughshod on the internet was eventually going to be shown as nothing more that 15 years of 5th amendment forfeiture and now that appears to be true. Now its just a matter of whose hard drives do they want to seize because you will be hard pressed to find someone who has not dabbled in the "Dark Side" of the internet a time or two.


(visit the link for the full news article)



posted on May, 28 2008 @ 07:52 PM
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*Smacks Forehead*

God damn our lawmakers....

Apologies for the completely reactionary post...



posted on May, 28 2008 @ 08:21 PM
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If this doesn't tell you that this government doesn't give a crap about the US citizens, then you will never wake up.

Please remember, folks... these are mainly Democrats and Republicans. When you go to vote in November... and PLEASE do go vote... DO NOT vote for ANY Democrat or Republican, if it can be helped. Just look on the ballots... you should be able to find SOMEONE ELSE in most every race.

Throw ALL The Bums Out!!

Meet the Libertarian Ticket -- The Issues



posted on May, 28 2008 @ 08:28 PM
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How can it be possible to determine if an mp3 originated from a legitimate copy of the source material, or an illegitimate one if all they have to examine is your laptop?


They would need to know if you've EVER bought that album/cd, or search your house for it. And if they can't find it in your home, that's not proof you didn't buy it at one time... since then your old LP album or CD may have been destroyed or lost.


Aren't we innocent until proven guilty? Having an mp3 is not proof of any thing whatsoever.


If they were to find your guilty of a crime, they would have to PROVE that you never bought it, which is impossible. The only way to convict people of this "crime" is if they are presumed guilty, and the people have to prove innocence!

Guilty until proven innocent?!!! Since when was that the premise we have operated on in America?????




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posted on May, 28 2008 @ 08:32 PM
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Just playing devil's advocate here for a second...

If people steal property, shouldn't law enforcement be entitled to seize evidence of such crime?

Therefore, if people steal intellectual or artistic property, wouldn't it follow that law enforcement should be able to seize evidence, e.g., hard drives, that are related to the crime?

Or is the real problem the pervasive sense of entitlement that's spread causing people to think that artistic works are somehow public domain and their creators should be allowed to be ripped off at will?



posted on May, 28 2008 @ 08:39 PM
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Having an mp3 is not evidence of a crime. If it were, then we would have to presume guilt, and prove innocence, which is OPPOSITE to the way the law is supposed to work.

If law could charge a person with a crime, and assume guilt until innocence is proven, then you could be sent to jail for any alleged crime they want to throw at you.

For example... PROVE you have never raped anyone. How could you do that? You'd have to have complete court-admissable records of everything you have ever done your entire life. Impossible.

On the other hand, if you assume innocence, and have to prove guilt, then all it takes is one piece of evidence to show you're guilty, but that evidence cannot exist unless you truly committed the crime!



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posted on May, 28 2008 @ 08:52 PM
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Originally posted by ianr5741
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Having an mp3 is not evidence of a crime. If it were, then we would have to presume guilt, and prove innocence, which is OPPOSITE to the way the law is supposed to work.


From what I can tell, you left out an important detail. According to the article cited in the OP, the law provides for the seizure of a computer if is has an *unauthorized*, i.e., illegal mp3 on it. E.g., there is nothing outrageous or unusual at all about law enforcement having authority to seize property used in a criminal act. Stealing intellectual property, which is what cd recordings are, are protected intellectual property.



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