I personaly think the Fatima thing is a load of crap,seems kind of self serviant if you ask me,seems to me that the only one that worships the Virgin
Mary is the Catholic church,so the story seems contrived to further cloud their flock,story doesn't hold water
Lucia reveals the 3rd secret of Fatima, page 3
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reply posted on 17-9-2008 @ 10:53 AM by Grailkeeper
Besides the fact of being huge on the news scale, and this is the first mention of it, one should always beware of 'emails'.
I also note that the Virgin Mary must of had quite a bit of spare time to recite such a long statement to the then child, and to have her remember it so vividly all these years later.
I also believe the Pope would go through a much more exhausting procedure for the 'unveiling' of the last Fatima.
All that being said, the Catholic church has been loosing big numbers of parishioners over the years, so I feel they would have to come up with something soon regain some of the followers they are loosing.
Sort of plays in line with this Thread...Catholic Church Ready to Accept Aliens as Brothers
I also note that the Virgin Mary must of had quite a bit of spare time to recite such a long statement to the then child, and to have her remember it so vividly all these years later.
I also believe the Pope would go through a much more exhausting procedure for the 'unveiling' of the last Fatima.
All that being said, the Catholic church has been loosing big numbers of parishioners over the years, so I feel they would have to come up with something soon regain some of the followers they are loosing.
Sort of plays in line with this Thread...Catholic Church Ready to Accept Aliens as Brothers
reply posted on 17-9-2008 @ 02:36 PM by behindthescenes
Remember everyone, Pope Benedict issued a statement on the third secret himself.
Read about the three prophesies here...
Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger, a prefect for the Doctrine of Faith, said about the prophecy: "Those who expected exciting apocalyptic revelations about the end of the world or the future course of history are bound to be disappointed. Fatima does not satisfy our curiosity in this way, just as Christian faith cannot be reduced to an object of mere curiosity. There is no immutable destiny. In the end, prayer is more powerful than bullets and faith more powerful than armies." He seemed to be implying that the prayers of the faithful had deflected the terrible scene warned of in the prophecy.
Read about the three prophesies here...
reply posted on 18-11-2009 @ 08:00 AM by rotbb
reply to post by Anonymous ATS
Fatima the heart of the Message
On May 13, 1982, Pope John Paul II offered the Sacrifice of the Mass in Fatima, during his pilgrimage of gratitude to Portugal. During the Mass, the Pope preached a lengthy homily on ''Mary's Maternal Love.'' I consider this homily the most authoritative explanation of the meaning of Fatima that we have received from seven Roman Pontiffs since the first revelations made at Fatima in 1917.
Early in the homily, the Vicar of Christ made the following statement:
'' The message of Fatima is, in its basic nucleus, a call to conversion and repentance, as in the Gospel.''
'' This call was uttered at the beginning of the 20th century, and it was thus addressed particularly to this present century.
''The Lady of the message should be said to have read with special insight 'the signs of the times,' the signs of our own time.''
The Heart of the Message
What is the Pope telling us? He is saying that ''the basic nucleus,'' the heart of the Fatima message, is a call to conversion and repentance. It is a call to repentance from sin and conversion to God. In the course of his homily, Pope John Paul II combined the two word '' conversion '' and '' sin '' into one word, '' repentance,''so that we may simply state that the core of the message of Fatima is the imperative of the verb ''Repent'' or as a noun, ''repentance.''
The Pope declares that this call to repentance was made by Christ through Our Lady at the beginning of the twentieth century. He further declares that one of the three children who received this Marian message is still living.
What does all of this imply? It implies that if there is one thing that God foresaw the 20th century would desperately need, it was to repent. And even the unusually long life of one of the seers of Fatima--born in 1907 and still alive in her eighties-- only emphasizes the pressing urgency to call the 20th century to repentance.
If we look more closely at what sins the 20th century most needs to repent, there seems to be no doubt. They are the sins of
(1) ignoring the existence of God
(2) denying that sin is an offense against God, and
(3) indulging in the pleasures of this world contrary to the will of God.
Each of these three classes of sins needs to be repented. Each calls to high heavens for conversion and a return to God.
Ignoring the Existence of God
We have become used to pointing to Communism as a diabolical ignoring and even excluding of God from human life. Certainly Communism is godless in its principles and godless in its demonic fury against believers in God. It was surely no coincidence that the Communist Revolution in Russia took place in October 1917, the very month of the last formal revelations of Our Lady at Fatima.
However, the Communist are not the only ones to ignore God. Their organized propaganda against religion has been matched by the organized exclusion of God from public life in one supposedly developed country after another. Take the practical impossibility of teaching any semblance of religion in American public schools. Take the thunderous silence about God and religion and divine worship in the media of social communication in secularized countries like the United States.
You can read a thousand pages in the New York Times or the Washington Post or the Chicago Tribune, and you would never suspect that there are millions of intelligent, educated people who still believe in God and the Ten Commandments.
Secularism, or what the Second Vatican Council calls ''practical atheism,'' is widespread in one nation after another in Europe and North America.
If ignoring God's existence, then, is the first capital sin of the 20thcentury, how do we repent? We repent by prayer. Let me repeat: ''WE REPENT THE SIN OF IGNORING GOD BY PAYING ATTENTION TO GOD IN PRAYER.''
Some years ago, I spoke with one of my Jesuit students returning to India after theological studies and ordination in America. I asked him what he found most appealing and what was most depressing during his four years in our country. Without hesitation, he told me the most appealing thing was the phenomenal liberty we enjoy, and the most depressing was how little we Americans pray.
The Penance of Prayer
Prayer is the repentance we believers must make for the sins of prayerlessness that are so prevalent in our day. Prayer is the expiation we must make, by praying more than we normally would, because so many millions are ignoring God and failing to pray as they should. Prayer is the single most important way that unbelievers can be brought back to God. We must pray for them and, no matter what it takes, we must persuade them, convince them, cajole them to pray themselves. Our Lady of Fatima urges us to pray the daily Rosary for the conversion of sinners and for peace in the world. This will lead us to a deep spirit of prayer.
One single sentence summarizes the whole of God's revelation to the human race. Those who pray will be saved. Those who do not pray will be lost. Without prayer, we cannot obtain from God the grace we need to reach heaven. Heaven is reserved for those who pray. No one else who has reached the age of reason will attain his eternal destiny.
Denial that Sin is an Offense Against God
It is only logical that where the existence of God is ignored, the fact of sin as an offense against God is denied.
No other explanation is possible for the massive denial of the rights of God in commanding his creatures to do his will..
Abortion is the murder of unborn infants and therefore the denial of the most basic right of a human being -- to remain alive. But abortion is mainly the denial of the rights of the Creator to create human souls and keep them united with the body until He calls a person into eternity.
Adultery is the denial of the rights of a husband of wife to the exclusive intimacy of their spouse in marriage. But adultery is mainly the denial of the rights of God who want marriage to be the human reflection of His own infinite loving community in the Holy Trinity.
Contraception is the denial of the rights of society to reproduce itself and thus sustain the existence of families in the world of human beings. But contraception is mainly the denial of the rights of God who wants to create human souls, provided married people provide the human bodies into which the souls, created by God, can be infused.
Homosexuality is the denial of men and women to the sacred experience of married love. But homosexuality is mainly the denial of the rights of God who made two sexes , so that they might, in marriage, enjoy the loving intimacy of each other and by cooperating with the Creator bring other human beings through this world into heaven.
Not only is sin denied as an offense against God, but in our century sin has become legalized, organized and institutionalized. The legislatures of one country after another have made laws that are directly contrary to the laws of God. And the civil magistrates in one country after another, including the Supreme Court, are making decisions that canonized criminals and stigmatize those who defend the rights of God as fanatics who, like the early Christians, must be imprisoned as threats to society.
A Message of Repentance
Our Lady's message at Fatima is that we must repent. Repentance for the sin of denying sin is obedience to the will of God. Whenever we sin, we indulge our own will in opposition to the divine will. To repent, we must bend our wills to God's will. This is the hardest task we have to do on earth.
The kind of repentance by obedience must begin with ourselves. We who have the true faith must merit the graces that others need to be converted in obedience to the Divine Majesty. We must give the example to others of what it means to be humble by obeying the will of God in our lives, so that others may see our obedience and be converted from their evil ways. We must pay the heavy price of bending the knees of our self-will to the demanding will of God's providence. Why? So that God may be merciful to a sinful world and bring it back to moral sanity.
The Ugly Reality of Sin
We must teach others, by word and example, individually and collectively that sin is not a figment of the imagination; that sin is the root of all evils in the world; that wars and suicides, drug addiction and broken families, broken hearts and broken minds--are really the consequence of sin.
We must tell everyone who is willing to listen,and even those who are not willing to hear it-- that unless they repent, they will all likewise perish. We must restore faith in the justice of God, even as we glorify the love of God, in a world that is steeped in self-idolatry.
Fatima the heart of the Message
On May 13, 1982, Pope John Paul II offered the Sacrifice of the Mass in Fatima, during his pilgrimage of gratitude to Portugal. During the Mass, the Pope preached a lengthy homily on ''Mary's Maternal Love.'' I consider this homily the most authoritative explanation of the meaning of Fatima that we have received from seven Roman Pontiffs since the first revelations made at Fatima in 1917.
Early in the homily, the Vicar of Christ made the following statement:
'' The message of Fatima is, in its basic nucleus, a call to conversion and repentance, as in the Gospel.''
'' This call was uttered at the beginning of the 20th century, and it was thus addressed particularly to this present century.
''The Lady of the message should be said to have read with special insight 'the signs of the times,' the signs of our own time.''
The Heart of the Message
What is the Pope telling us? He is saying that ''the basic nucleus,'' the heart of the Fatima message, is a call to conversion and repentance. It is a call to repentance from sin and conversion to God. In the course of his homily, Pope John Paul II combined the two word '' conversion '' and '' sin '' into one word, '' repentance,''so that we may simply state that the core of the message of Fatima is the imperative of the verb ''Repent'' or as a noun, ''repentance.''
The Pope declares that this call to repentance was made by Christ through Our Lady at the beginning of the twentieth century. He further declares that one of the three children who received this Marian message is still living.
What does all of this imply? It implies that if there is one thing that God foresaw the 20th century would desperately need, it was to repent. And even the unusually long life of one of the seers of Fatima--born in 1907 and still alive in her eighties-- only emphasizes the pressing urgency to call the 20th century to repentance.
If we look more closely at what sins the 20th century most needs to repent, there seems to be no doubt. They are the sins of
(1) ignoring the existence of God
(2) denying that sin is an offense against God, and
(3) indulging in the pleasures of this world contrary to the will of God.
Each of these three classes of sins needs to be repented. Each calls to high heavens for conversion and a return to God.
Ignoring the Existence of God
We have become used to pointing to Communism as a diabolical ignoring and even excluding of God from human life. Certainly Communism is godless in its principles and godless in its demonic fury against believers in God. It was surely no coincidence that the Communist Revolution in Russia took place in October 1917, the very month of the last formal revelations of Our Lady at Fatima.
However, the Communist are not the only ones to ignore God. Their organized propaganda against religion has been matched by the organized exclusion of God from public life in one supposedly developed country after another. Take the practical impossibility of teaching any semblance of religion in American public schools. Take the thunderous silence about God and religion and divine worship in the media of social communication in secularized countries like the United States.
You can read a thousand pages in the New York Times or the Washington Post or the Chicago Tribune, and you would never suspect that there are millions of intelligent, educated people who still believe in God and the Ten Commandments.
Secularism, or what the Second Vatican Council calls ''practical atheism,'' is widespread in one nation after another in Europe and North America.
If ignoring God's existence, then, is the first capital sin of the 20thcentury, how do we repent? We repent by prayer. Let me repeat: ''WE REPENT THE SIN OF IGNORING GOD BY PAYING ATTENTION TO GOD IN PRAYER.''
Some years ago, I spoke with one of my Jesuit students returning to India after theological studies and ordination in America. I asked him what he found most appealing and what was most depressing during his four years in our country. Without hesitation, he told me the most appealing thing was the phenomenal liberty we enjoy, and the most depressing was how little we Americans pray.
The Penance of Prayer
Prayer is the repentance we believers must make for the sins of prayerlessness that are so prevalent in our day. Prayer is the expiation we must make, by praying more than we normally would, because so many millions are ignoring God and failing to pray as they should. Prayer is the single most important way that unbelievers can be brought back to God. We must pray for them and, no matter what it takes, we must persuade them, convince them, cajole them to pray themselves. Our Lady of Fatima urges us to pray the daily Rosary for the conversion of sinners and for peace in the world. This will lead us to a deep spirit of prayer.
One single sentence summarizes the whole of God's revelation to the human race. Those who pray will be saved. Those who do not pray will be lost. Without prayer, we cannot obtain from God the grace we need to reach heaven. Heaven is reserved for those who pray. No one else who has reached the age of reason will attain his eternal destiny.
Denial that Sin is an Offense Against God
It is only logical that where the existence of God is ignored, the fact of sin as an offense against God is denied.
No other explanation is possible for the massive denial of the rights of God in commanding his creatures to do his will..
Abortion is the murder of unborn infants and therefore the denial of the most basic right of a human being -- to remain alive. But abortion is mainly the denial of the rights of the Creator to create human souls and keep them united with the body until He calls a person into eternity.
Adultery is the denial of the rights of a husband of wife to the exclusive intimacy of their spouse in marriage. But adultery is mainly the denial of the rights of God who want marriage to be the human reflection of His own infinite loving community in the Holy Trinity.
Contraception is the denial of the rights of society to reproduce itself and thus sustain the existence of families in the world of human beings. But contraception is mainly the denial of the rights of God who wants to create human souls, provided married people provide the human bodies into which the souls, created by God, can be infused.
Homosexuality is the denial of men and women to the sacred experience of married love. But homosexuality is mainly the denial of the rights of God who made two sexes , so that they might, in marriage, enjoy the loving intimacy of each other and by cooperating with the Creator bring other human beings through this world into heaven.
Not only is sin denied as an offense against God, but in our century sin has become legalized, organized and institutionalized. The legislatures of one country after another have made laws that are directly contrary to the laws of God. And the civil magistrates in one country after another, including the Supreme Court, are making decisions that canonized criminals and stigmatize those who defend the rights of God as fanatics who, like the early Christians, must be imprisoned as threats to society.
A Message of Repentance
Our Lady's message at Fatima is that we must repent. Repentance for the sin of denying sin is obedience to the will of God. Whenever we sin, we indulge our own will in opposition to the divine will. To repent, we must bend our wills to God's will. This is the hardest task we have to do on earth.
The kind of repentance by obedience must begin with ourselves. We who have the true faith must merit the graces that others need to be converted in obedience to the Divine Majesty. We must give the example to others of what it means to be humble by obeying the will of God in our lives, so that others may see our obedience and be converted from their evil ways. We must pay the heavy price of bending the knees of our self-will to the demanding will of God's providence. Why? So that God may be merciful to a sinful world and bring it back to moral sanity.
The Ugly Reality of Sin
We must teach others, by word and example, individually and collectively that sin is not a figment of the imagination; that sin is the root of all evils in the world; that wars and suicides, drug addiction and broken families, broken hearts and broken minds--are really the consequence of sin.
We must tell everyone who is willing to listen,and even those who are not willing to hear it-- that unless they repent, they will all likewise perish. We must restore faith in the justice of God, even as we glorify the love of God, in a world that is steeped in self-idolatry.
reply posted on 8-2-2010 @ 08:31 AM by Gliese581
Prophecy Warns 2010 Start of Fatima Chastisement - below
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Whether the offered text of the 3rd secret in this thread is true or not, it sounds familiar and contains moments already present in other prophets, such as St. Padre Pio and Bl. Anna Maria Taigi. Apparently, it makes no harm to fulfill what is asked multiple times: the First Saturdays, the Rosaries, a general heartily conversion to God for everyone and not only the catholics, etc. We all hope we are not among the victims of WW3 if it ever happens, or be it a tsunami, Yellowstone, Katrina. We must be realistic to know that is quite possible to happen (with varying extend), even without a prophecy. Much is written about 2012 as well. A preparation for even lesser cataclysms is the wise answer to all these warnings.
Just received a new message concerning Fatima and Russia, at your discernment below. I do not know the source.
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beforeitsnews.com...
Prophecy Warns 2010 Start of Fatima Chastisement
Contributed by Rick Obrien on Thursday, February 04, 2010 4:13:40 AM
A visionary from the Philippines, Duke Puntalangit, warns that the Fatima chastisements will begin this year 2010. According to the visionary, the Middle East crisis will eventually result into an all out war, though limited in that region, afterwhich, a revolution originating from Russia, will engulf Europe. These series of events will cause chaos and bloodshed in all major cities in Europe, the Pope will be murdered in exile, the global economy will plunge deeper, consequently giving the window of opportunity for Russia and China to execute militarily against Europe and the US.
The visionary further elaborates the chastisement as a series of events which he divides into two, namely, the eruption or reawakening of Marxism (Communism) through a revolution in Europe and then the nuclear confrontation of US versus Russia. The US, he says, will be severely affected, economically and politically by the Middle East War and the revolution in Europe. The US will also suffer internal civil disorder which will greatly affect its government's capability to function.
Puntalangit warns that mankind has entered a point of no return and that the chastisements are now non-conditional. He did not elaborate why mankind must suffer the chastisements but instead pointed to the Vatican with the claim that all the while the Pope had the key to world peace but didn't use it. He however emphasizes that the Virgin Mary's prophesied victory will definitely happen but will be realized only after the annihilation of several nations and the election of a new pope who will accomplished the request of the Virgin Mary for the consecration of Russia to Her Immaculate Heart.
The visionary gives the following which he said are the immediate signs prior to an unexpected revolution in Europe which will usher in World War III:
1. A papal visit to Russia. This will be the last sign and immediately follows the bloodshed in Europe.
2. The signing of an aggreement, military in nature, between US and Russia. This will happen immediately prior to the nuclear war.
The above events, Puntalangit states, are the immediate signs of the looming human catastrophe. In addition to the above, Mr. Puntalangit advices everyone to focus on current events directly associated with the Catholic Church and Russia, the Middle East, and US-Russia arms negotiations, as awareness of these may help the faithful to become prepared, vigilant and prayerful. The visionary further warned that only one-third of mankind will survive the war and out of this one-third only one-fourth will survive the three days of darkness which will occur a few years after the World War. Hence, he claims, we can expect only five hundred million will be alive to witness the Second Coming of Jesus Chris
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Whether the offered text of the 3rd secret in this thread is true or not, it sounds familiar and contains moments already present in other prophets, such as St. Padre Pio and Bl. Anna Maria Taigi. Apparently, it makes no harm to fulfill what is asked multiple times: the First Saturdays, the Rosaries, a general heartily conversion to God for everyone and not only the catholics, etc. We all hope we are not among the victims of WW3 if it ever happens, or be it a tsunami, Yellowstone, Katrina. We must be realistic to know that is quite possible to happen (with varying extend), even without a prophecy. Much is written about 2012 as well. A preparation for even lesser cataclysms is the wise answer to all these warnings.
Just received a new message concerning Fatima and Russia, at your discernment below. I do not know the source.
===================================
beforeitsnews.com...
Prophecy Warns 2010 Start of Fatima Chastisement
Contributed by Rick Obrien on Thursday, February 04, 2010 4:13:40 AM
A visionary from the Philippines, Duke Puntalangit, warns that the Fatima chastisements will begin this year 2010. According to the visionary, the Middle East crisis will eventually result into an all out war, though limited in that region, afterwhich, a revolution originating from Russia, will engulf Europe. These series of events will cause chaos and bloodshed in all major cities in Europe, the Pope will be murdered in exile, the global economy will plunge deeper, consequently giving the window of opportunity for Russia and China to execute militarily against Europe and the US.
The visionary further elaborates the chastisement as a series of events which he divides into two, namely, the eruption or reawakening of Marxism (Communism) through a revolution in Europe and then the nuclear confrontation of US versus Russia. The US, he says, will be severely affected, economically and politically by the Middle East War and the revolution in Europe. The US will also suffer internal civil disorder which will greatly affect its government's capability to function.
Puntalangit warns that mankind has entered a point of no return and that the chastisements are now non-conditional. He did not elaborate why mankind must suffer the chastisements but instead pointed to the Vatican with the claim that all the while the Pope had the key to world peace but didn't use it. He however emphasizes that the Virgin Mary's prophesied victory will definitely happen but will be realized only after the annihilation of several nations and the election of a new pope who will accomplished the request of the Virgin Mary for the consecration of Russia to Her Immaculate Heart.
The visionary gives the following which he said are the immediate signs prior to an unexpected revolution in Europe which will usher in World War III:
1. A papal visit to Russia. This will be the last sign and immediately follows the bloodshed in Europe.
2. The signing of an aggreement, military in nature, between US and Russia. This will happen immediately prior to the nuclear war.
The above events, Puntalangit states, are the immediate signs of the looming human catastrophe. In addition to the above, Mr. Puntalangit advices everyone to focus on current events directly associated with the Catholic Church and Russia, the Middle East, and US-Russia arms negotiations, as awareness of these may help the faithful to become prepared, vigilant and prayerful. The visionary further warned that only one-third of mankind will survive the war and out of this one-third only one-fourth will survive the three days of darkness which will occur a few years after the World War. Hence, he claims, we can expect only five hundred million will be alive to witness the Second Coming of Jesus Chris
reply posted on 8-2-2010 @ 06:36 PM by Ryanp5555
Originally posted by QBSneak000
Just the fact that she was forbidden to talk about her predictions for the by the Vatican is proof enough to me that the Catholic Church is no friend of humanity. If these messages were given to her by the Virgin Mary for the people of the world, what right did the church have to put her in seclusion and keep the secrets until "they" saw fit to disclose the information. The Vatican needs a lesson in humility and as far as I am concerned, perpetually showing their true colors as they repeatedly break the laws of the 7 mortal sins as set out by them.
1.Pride......continually pushing their faith and views on people as if they are the one and only voice of god. Keeping secrets from the people of the world until they see fit (if ever) to disclose to the world
2.Lust.....look at the church's history involving sexual abuse which they keep quiet .....has anyone of these abusing priests ever been convicted in a court of law and served jail time?
3.Greed.....how much gold and priceless art has the church stolen over history. Back in the day it was all about $$$ and power.
4.Wrath.......look how many civilizations the CC has wiped out, and people killed in the name of the church and God for being heretics......inquisition etc.
you get my point. They are hippocrates. They can't even follow the rules they set out as they seem to think they are above any law.
How can we ever know what the REAL Fatima sisters messages are? since they have been kept from us by the Catholic Church.
7 deadly sins
Believe NOTHING the Catholic Church tells you!! They are full of lies and deception and do not have anyones best interest at heart, only their own.
[edit on 4-6-2008 by QBSneak000]
[edit on 4-6-2008 by QBSneak000]
This logic is flawed IMO. Your argument is that the Catholic Church is not a friend of humanity and you cite several reasons:
"1. 1.Pride......continually pushing their faith and views on people as if they are the one and only voice of god. Keeping secrets from the people of the world until they see fit (if ever) to disclose to the world"
This isn't to belittle you but I believe that if we are going to discuss pride we should first define it. Dictionary.com's first definition is fair I think, and I think you would agree:
a high or inordinate opinion of one's own dignity, importance, merit, or superiority, whether as cherished in the mind or as displayed in bearing, conduct, etc.
Your argument is that they are pushing their faith and views on people b/c they believe they are the one and only voice of god. Of course they do, isn't that the point of any church? With that said, the Catholic church doesn't really push their views on you, it is the Church's followers that push their views on you b/c they want to save people themselves. With that being said, I'll give you this one in support of our argument.
"2.Lust.....look at the church's history involving sexual abuse which they keep quiet .....has anyone of these abusing priests ever been convicted in a court of law and served jail time?"
First of all, the Church itself does not commit Sexual abuses, it is those who are not able to control themselves. Something which the church does not promote. The church does not lust. And if you took the time to look up the public records of arrests from these priests, I'm sure you'd find that they have done time. The church in a country is still governed by the laws in that country.
"3.Greed.....how much gold and priceless art has the church stolen over history. Back in the day it was all about $$$ and power."
How much money and funding has the Church given over the years? and while it doesn't make their pillaging right, the church is certainly much different today than it was 600 years ago. The more appropriate question, if we are talking about the church today as you seem to be is: What has the church done in modern times to establish its greed.
"4.Wrath.......look how many civilizations the CC has wiped out, and people killed in the name of the church and God for being heretics......inquisition etc.
you get my point. They are hippocrates. They can't even follow the rules they set out as they seem to think they are above any law."
You're right. Look at how many civilizations and countries that the Romans have wiped out, they can't be trusted either. For that matter, lets look at the Mongolians, the Greek, and the English.... geez, these countries cannot be trusted. The point being that you are citing things that happened hundreds of years ago that are no where near the same conditions as today.
I'm not the biggest fan of the church, but the Church is one of the most humanitarian organizations in the world. The money, education, and volunteers that they give every year is insane. Why do they do this? B/c they are a humanitarian organization. The fact that you are saying they aren't b/c of some Fatima prophecy which may, or may not, be important is ridiculous. The Church's intention is to get people closer to God, no matter who is in charge, or how corrupt they are. It isn't to have mankind whipped out.
reply posted on 25-2-2010 @ 09:14 AM by St Udio
the following is a synopsis of 'visionary' Duke Puntalagit (punta= going to langit=heaven), informs us will begin in 2010
A visionary from the Philippines, Duke Puntalangit, warns that the Fatima chastisements will begin this year 2010. According to the visionary, the Middle East crisis will eventually result into an all out war in that region, afterwhich, a revolution originatingfrom Russia, will engulf Europe. This series of events will cause chaos and bloodshed in all major cities in Europe, the global economy will plunge deeper, consequently giving
the window of opportunity for Russia and China to execute militarily against Europe and the US.
Puntalangit warns that mankind has entered a point of no return and that the chastisements are now non-conditional. He however emphasis that the Virgin Mary's prophesied victory will definitely happen but will be realized only after the annihilation of several nations and the election of a new pope who will accomplished the request of the Virgin Mary for the consecration of Russia to Her Immaculate Heart.
The visionary gives the following which he said are the immediate signs prior to an unexpected revolution in Europe which will usher in World War III:
1. A papal visit to Russia.
2. The signing of an aggreement, military in nature, between US and Russia.
The above events, Puntalangit states, are the immediate signs of the looming human catastrophe. In addition to the above, Mr. Puntalangit advices everyone to focus on current events directly associated with the Catholic Church, the Middle East, and US-Russia arms negotiations, as awareness of these may help the faithful to become vigilant and prayerful.
The visionary further warned that only one-third of mankind
will survive the war and out of this one-third only one-fourth will survive the three days of darkness which will occur a few years after the World War. Hence, he claims, we can expect only five hundred million will be alive to witness the Second Coming of Jesus Christ.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ end of synopsis ~~~~~~~~~~~~~
But, Lo & Behold, 'Duke' has since issued a sort-of retraction,
in that the 'message' was of his own mental deliberation and not
given to him through Divine Agencies, meaning 'Mary'
THE UPDATE:
dukepuntalangit.wordpress.com...
[edit on 25-2-2010 by St Udio]
A visionary from the Philippines, Duke Puntalangit, warns that the Fatima chastisements will begin this year 2010. According to the visionary, the Middle East crisis will eventually result into an all out war in that region, afterwhich, a revolution originatingfrom Russia, will engulf Europe. This series of events will cause chaos and bloodshed in all major cities in Europe, the global economy will plunge deeper, consequently giving
the window of opportunity for Russia and China to execute militarily against Europe and the US.
Puntalangit warns that mankind has entered a point of no return and that the chastisements are now non-conditional. He however emphasis that the Virgin Mary's prophesied victory will definitely happen but will be realized only after the annihilation of several nations and the election of a new pope who will accomplished the request of the Virgin Mary for the consecration of Russia to Her Immaculate Heart.
The visionary gives the following which he said are the immediate signs prior to an unexpected revolution in Europe which will usher in World War III:
1. A papal visit to Russia.
2. The signing of an aggreement, military in nature, between US and Russia.
The above events, Puntalangit states, are the immediate signs of the looming human catastrophe. In addition to the above, Mr. Puntalangit advices everyone to focus on current events directly associated with the Catholic Church, the Middle East, and US-Russia arms negotiations, as awareness of these may help the faithful to become vigilant and prayerful.
The visionary further warned that only one-third of mankind
will survive the war and out of this one-third only one-fourth will survive the three days of darkness which will occur a few years after the World War. Hence, he claims, we can expect only five hundred million will be alive to witness the Second Coming of Jesus Christ.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ end of synopsis ~~~~~~~~~~~~~
But, Lo & Behold, 'Duke' has since issued a sort-of retraction,
in that the 'message' was of his own mental deliberation and not
given to him through Divine Agencies, meaning 'Mary'
THE UPDATE:
dukepuntalangit.wordpress.com...
...Clarification Concerning Middle East Crisis...
February 24, 2010 at 2:18 am (Catholic Church, Fatima, Prophecy, Religion, Third Secret,
World War III)
Tags: Catholic, Chastisement, Dogma, Duke, End Times, Fatima, Iran, Israel, Middle East,
Our Lady, Philippines, Prophecy, Puntalangit, Russia, Secret, Third, US, Visionary,
World War 3
Dear Friends,
I have received several messages asking for clarification regarding some articles on prophecies concerning the present crisis in the Middle East which had been attributed to me.
In this connection, please allow me to clarify that although I personally believe that the Middle East War “could” occur within March to April this year, I do not say this as a prophecy in the sense that it was divinely revealed to me. Rather, I say this as a result of my contemplation of current events, and taking into account the related prophecies which were revealed to me and other prophecies revealed to other visionaries.
The Blessed Mother never gave me any details concerning the Middle East War, neither did I receive any specific dates.
I apologize for not clarifying this earlier and for the inconvenience this may have caused you.
WHEW !
[edit on 25-2-2010 by St Udio]
reply posted on 25-2-2010 @ 01:49 PM by CAELENIUM
It is very interesting to read what the children learnt from their visions of the "Blessed Virgin Mary" at Fatima in Portugal in 1917. However I
advise caution. The Roman Catholic Church is playing it all out with great dexterity. Obviously in 1917 the atomic bomb had not yet been invented.
Also the intercontinental ballistic missile had not yet been invented. So where the revelation speaks about the world being destroyed by weapons of
war in just minutes we are certainly being told as regard to nuclear war. How could the children have known about such things back in 1917 ? I
certainly agree that since men have manufactured these weapons it is only a matter of time and these monsterous weapons of genocide will certainly be
used. Indeed just as foretold in the Book of Revelations the world is going to be destroyed in the "Day of Judgement" in less than one hour from
start to finish. In the year 2000 AD as part of the millennium celebrations I began to recieve interesting audio clairvoyance from a feminine
spiritual domain. These entirely feminine angels taught me many interesting things. Far too much to write about here. But I will give to you the
PRAECEPTAE CAELENIUM [tm] which they revealed to me. It is now the law that I live by and which is holding us all bonded. I did not read it in a book.
You will not find it in any book. It was revealed to me by audio clairvoyance during the celebrations of the New Millennium in 2000 AD. Summed up it
basically means no sex no drugs and no violence. (1) From eternity to eternity, infinity to infinity, there be the one absolute. The One God there
be no other God. Her names are many but she be the one true God. The one judge there be no other judge. (2) La deus nostra, notre dame, our lady, The
holy spirit, the cause the maker Cosmica. (3) Angelic powers of truth and beauty and righteousness be sure to be loving her above with all your mind
and with all your heart and with all your strength. (4) So as to be pleasing to her above therefore do not be serving the masculine. (5) Do not be and
do not allow masculinity into positions of government. (6) Honour and respect the virgin pureness of the christae. (7) Honour and respect the
Immaculate Conception reproductive process of the christae. (8) Do not fornicate or adulterate or sodomize. (9) Do not bully or torture or murder.
(10) Do not lie. (11) Do not steal. (12) Do not be covetous. (13) Do not be jealous. [c] NGL 2000. I am told by these same angels that only they
who live in accordance with Praeceptae Caelenium [tm] are going to be thus elligable for possible entry into the Realms Angelic. Thus the vaste
majority of the population will continue living in purgatory or worse. Hell is a real place and I was shown a part of it in a vision. But thankfully
because I live in accordance with Praeceptae Caelenium [tm] I am now moving upwards into the Realms Angelic. It is a complicated science
[multidimensionality physics] far too complicted to enter into details here but nevertheless the fact is that what we experience as materiality is not
of your own choosing. We all experience the reality that is decided for us by the almighty power of the Holy Spirit. Of ourselves we do not choose the
path of suffering. However sufferings will be thrust apon us by Almighty God. We all must pay for our sins. This is the science of Multidimensionality
Physics. I were also informed in the same revelational manner that the true meaning of "sin" is "male gamete". It being the root cause of
masculinity. The "Mark of the Beast". Also what Jesus called the "Yeast of the Pharasee". Thus in Heaven all the Celestial Immortals are Feminine
and God Herself be Feminine. Masculinity cannot enter into Heaven. Woman are masculine by sexual contagion of the male gamete. Thus only the Virgins
of the Temple are able to enter into Heaven.
SHIMONO
[edit on 25/2/2010 by CAELENIUM]
SHIMONO
Google Video Link |
[edit on 25/2/2010 by CAELENIUM]
reply posted on 25-2-2010 @ 03:39 PM by Gloster
reply to post by JOINTHERESISTANCE
Pray 5 Creeds and Rosary which is the secret to my Immaculate Heart. All those who believe in my words go and take the message to everyone.
That means Deaf Dumb Blind people will all die
(evil laugh ...BWHAHAHAHAHAHAHA......more evil luagh...HAHAHAHABWAHAHAHAH
[edit on 25-2-2010 by Gloster]
Pray 5 Creeds and Rosary which is the secret to my Immaculate Heart. All those who believe in my words go and take the message to everyone.
That means Deaf Dumb Blind people will all die
(evil laugh ...BWHAHAHAHAHAHAHA......more evil luagh...HAHAHAHABWAHAHAHAH
[edit on 25-2-2010 by Gloster]
reply posted on 26-2-2010 @ 02:10 PM by Gliese581
here is a text of the Fatima secret received from another apparition in Chile "Dama Blanca dela Paz". The text has a lot in common with previous
texts of 3rd secret that appeared in the media prior 2000, as well as with the text in this thread. I think it is worth of making it known.
==================================
marianuestramadre.blogia.com...
translated:
theprophetshavespoken.blogspot.com...
THE THIRD SECRET OF FATIMA
The Virgin Mary on July 16, 1983 reveals to Miguel Angel the Message of Fatima told by her in 1917 to Lucia, Jacinta and Francisco in the Cova da Iria, Fatima, Portugal, the first two parts are known and the third remained in secret until She indicated that the seer of Peñablanca make it known in mid-1989.
...The war is going to end, but if they do not cease to offend the Lord, under the reign of Pius XI, a worse war will start.
When you see a night illumined by an unknown light, know that is the great sign that God gives you this for the coming punishment of crimes in the world by war, famine and persecution against the Church and against the Holy Father.
To prevent this, I come to ask the consecration of Russia to my Immaculate Heart and the Communion of Reparation of the First Saturdays.
If you listen to my requests. Russia will be converted and have peace. If not, she will spread her errors throughout the world, causing wars and persecutions against the Church. Many good will be martyred. The Holy Father will have much to suffer. Some nations will be annihilated.
The dogma of faith will always be preserved in Portugal .
(now the unknown part...)
Russia will advance on the countries that will fall away from the Catholic faith and be swept away.
The Roman Church has to suffer horrors.
There will be many cardinals, bishops, priests, enemies of the Holy Father; they will contradict his orders.The Church of the apostates will have much strength.
The ministers of my Son will not believe what they tell the people. They do not truly believe in certain parts of the Gospels.
And you, Rome, you have not heard the trumpets of the angels of the Almighty and will be destroyed by your crimes and sins. Satan moves now through the Church. The Vatican is the most coveted prey of the evil one. The priests are guilty of this.
I am present with my mediation, as Queen of the World, Mother of the True Church in this world full of corruption and evil that pierces my Immaculate Heart.
Major storms and floods and earthquakes will batter the land.
There will be fashions that offend the Lord very much.
There will be no respect the house of God, moreover, they will not attend with devotion the Holy Mass and will go to the church badly dressed.
The cup is full. But God still has the patience to save many souls and not cause suffering to many innocent people.
If the world does not change I send a notice, asking for the consecration of all the nations of the world.
The Holy Father will make many mistakes because of the bishops and cardinals (1).
Heaven makes an urgent appeal to the Apostates of recent times. I asked Melanie at La Salette.
The false doctrines abound. The change in the church will be the cause of perdition. She must not be fashionable. Rather, to continue the tradition and the Gospel of our Lord.
Europe will be invaded by horror and terror.
America is confused.
But our Lord will come to their aid, His church will not be left alone.
The world looks at corruption and scandals.
Many nations are torn by famine and pestilence.
Russia and China will be the cause terrible damage to nature.
A horrific earthquake will smite the land, leaving desolation, pestilence and famine.
Climate change is caused by men. Many will die.
(continue)
==================================
marianuestramadre.blogia.com...
translated:
theprophetshavespoken.blogspot.com...
THE THIRD SECRET OF FATIMA
The Virgin Mary on July 16, 1983 reveals to Miguel Angel the Message of Fatima told by her in 1917 to Lucia, Jacinta and Francisco in the Cova da Iria, Fatima, Portugal, the first two parts are known and the third remained in secret until She indicated that the seer of Peñablanca make it known in mid-1989.
...The war is going to end, but if they do not cease to offend the Lord, under the reign of Pius XI, a worse war will start.
When you see a night illumined by an unknown light, know that is the great sign that God gives you this for the coming punishment of crimes in the world by war, famine and persecution against the Church and against the Holy Father.
To prevent this, I come to ask the consecration of Russia to my Immaculate Heart and the Communion of Reparation of the First Saturdays.
If you listen to my requests. Russia will be converted and have peace. If not, she will spread her errors throughout the world, causing wars and persecutions against the Church. Many good will be martyred. The Holy Father will have much to suffer. Some nations will be annihilated.
The dogma of faith will always be preserved in Portugal .
(now the unknown part...)
Russia will advance on the countries that will fall away from the Catholic faith and be swept away.
The Roman Church has to suffer horrors.
There will be many cardinals, bishops, priests, enemies of the Holy Father; they will contradict his orders.The Church of the apostates will have much strength.
The ministers of my Son will not believe what they tell the people. They do not truly believe in certain parts of the Gospels.
And you, Rome, you have not heard the trumpets of the angels of the Almighty and will be destroyed by your crimes and sins. Satan moves now through the Church. The Vatican is the most coveted prey of the evil one. The priests are guilty of this.
I am present with my mediation, as Queen of the World, Mother of the True Church in this world full of corruption and evil that pierces my Immaculate Heart.
Major storms and floods and earthquakes will batter the land.
There will be fashions that offend the Lord very much.
There will be no respect the house of God, moreover, they will not attend with devotion the Holy Mass and will go to the church badly dressed.
The cup is full. But God still has the patience to save many souls and not cause suffering to many innocent people.
If the world does not change I send a notice, asking for the consecration of all the nations of the world.
The Holy Father will make many mistakes because of the bishops and cardinals (1).
Heaven makes an urgent appeal to the Apostates of recent times. I asked Melanie at La Salette.
The false doctrines abound. The change in the church will be the cause of perdition. She must not be fashionable. Rather, to continue the tradition and the Gospel of our Lord.
Europe will be invaded by horror and terror.
America is confused.
But our Lord will come to their aid, His church will not be left alone.
The world looks at corruption and scandals.
Many nations are torn by famine and pestilence.
Russia and China will be the cause terrible damage to nature.
A horrific earthquake will smite the land, leaving desolation, pestilence and famine.
Climate change is caused by men. Many will die.
(continue)
reply posted on 4-3-2010 @ 05:36 PM by Gliese581
"Whole nations will vanish and humanity will drink the bitter cup of pain. "
March 2, 2010 new message from Our Lady in Anguera, still in Portuguese (below).
www.apelosurgentes.com.br...
pedroregis.com...
3.287- Mensagem de Nossa Senhora Rainha da Paz, transmitida em Macaé/RJ
Queridos filhos, não há vitória sem cruz. Não desanimeis ante vossas dificuldades. Depositai vossa confiança no Senhor. N’Ele está a vossa esperança e sem Ele nada sois e nada podeis fazer. Peço-vos que vivais com alegria os Meus apelos. Não vim do céu para obrigar-vos, mas escutai-Me. Viveis no tempo pior que no tempo do dilúvio. A humanidade contaminou-se com o pecado e precisa ser curada. Eu vim do céu para chamar-vos à conversão. Não recueis. Dai o melhor de vós na missão que o Senhor vos confiou. Deus tem pressa e vós não podeis cruzar os braços. Apressai-vos, pois este é o tempo oportuno para o vosso retorno. Caminhais para uma dolorosa tribulação. Ainda vereis horrores sobre a terra. Nações inteiras desaparecerão e a humanidade beberá o cálice amargo da dor. Eu sofro por aquilo que vos espera. Não vos afasteis do caminho que vos apontei. Eis que chegaram os tempos por Mim preditos. Não sejais infiéis ao vosso Deus. Ele vos ama e vos espera de braços abertos. Eu pedirei ao Meu Jesus por cada um de vós. Tende confiança, fé e esperança. Esta é a mensagem que hoje vos transmito em nome da Santíssima Trindade. Obrigada por Me terdes permitido reunir-vos aqui por mais uma vez. Eu vos abençôo, em nome do Pai, do Filho e do Espírito Santo. Amém. Ficai em paz.
March 2, 2010 new message from Our Lady in Anguera, still in Portuguese (below).
www.apelosurgentes.com.br...
pedroregis.com...
3.287- Mensagem de Nossa Senhora Rainha da Paz, transmitida em Macaé/RJ
Queridos filhos, não há vitória sem cruz. Não desanimeis ante vossas dificuldades. Depositai vossa confiança no Senhor. N’Ele está a vossa esperança e sem Ele nada sois e nada podeis fazer. Peço-vos que vivais com alegria os Meus apelos. Não vim do céu para obrigar-vos, mas escutai-Me. Viveis no tempo pior que no tempo do dilúvio. A humanidade contaminou-se com o pecado e precisa ser curada. Eu vim do céu para chamar-vos à conversão. Não recueis. Dai o melhor de vós na missão que o Senhor vos confiou. Deus tem pressa e vós não podeis cruzar os braços. Apressai-vos, pois este é o tempo oportuno para o vosso retorno. Caminhais para uma dolorosa tribulação. Ainda vereis horrores sobre a terra. Nações inteiras desaparecerão e a humanidade beberá o cálice amargo da dor. Eu sofro por aquilo que vos espera. Não vos afasteis do caminho que vos apontei. Eis que chegaram os tempos por Mim preditos. Não sejais infiéis ao vosso Deus. Ele vos ama e vos espera de braços abertos. Eu pedirei ao Meu Jesus por cada um de vós. Tende confiança, fé e esperança. Esta é a mensagem que hoje vos transmito em nome da Santíssima Trindade. Obrigada por Me terdes permitido reunir-vos aqui por mais uma vez. Eu vos abençôo, em nome do Pai, do Filho e do Espírito Santo. Amém. Ficai em paz.
reply posted on 13-4-2010 @ 04:37 PM by RadioKnecht
reply to post by Gliese581
Well, the US and Russia just signed the START agreement reducing their nuclear warheads. Russia has also declared that an Israeli attack on Iran would be "unacceptable", while at the same time providing Iran with s300 missile defense systems.
I guess we'll just have to wait for the Papal visit to Russia, before dismissing this fellow as a nutcase.
Taking Fatima one step further, it all seems set for the emergence of the so-called Maitreya Christ, now that the Catholic Church has been recieving such sever beatings by the MSM.
Well, the US and Russia just signed the START agreement reducing their nuclear warheads. Russia has also declared that an Israeli attack on Iran would be "unacceptable", while at the same time providing Iran with s300 missile defense systems.
I guess we'll just have to wait for the Papal visit to Russia, before dismissing this fellow as a nutcase.
Taking Fatima one step further, it all seems set for the emergence of the so-called Maitreya Christ, now that the Catholic Church has been recieving such sever beatings by the MSM.
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