reply to post by Xcalibur254
>No doctor wants to see their patient "locked-up."
I've frequently experienced doctors refusing to help a patient until they could find "legal" grounds to lock said patient up. They make up and/or
distort reports of events to get that legality.
If they can't find such legal reasons at all, they'll just send you home with a single sleeping pill (yes, kicking you onto the street, with a
sleeping pill in your stomach).
I've tried getting help in summer several times. Psychiateric staff just tells you "we're in the holiday period, call back in 3 weeks to see if
someone can help you then".
>Secondly, as bad as it sounds, they won't get your money while you're "locked-up."
I've asked around what is paid for me when i'm locked up (always for at least 3 months);
1200 euro / day.
>If you went to your general practitioner with some malady and they didn't prescribe you a medication you'd wonder what you were paying them for.
That's what a psychiatrist does.
If i need physiotherapy, i don't need pills eh..
It's the same for "headproblems", imo.
I think many patients could actually be cured of schizophrenia if instead of pills doctors would provide the "clinical psychology" that you speak
Psychosis (the supposed dangerous element in schizophrenia) is defined as a "loss of ability to deal with, or focus on reality, resulting in danger
to self or others".
I really think many patients would not be such a big problem to society if they had someone to talk to who
a) would indeed try their best not to lock them up, and certainly not with (partial) lies.
b) would try to make sense of their story and offer advice without pushing that advice.
c) would always offer them tips and reasons to put "the real world" at or near the top of their internal priorities list.
A person in a psychosis is often distracted by issues that while alien to others, are still dealt with with logic. Emotions are logically viewed as
priorities and motivations
This way of thinking is essential to all humans, even those in psychosis.
Psychosis can be very blurry, and mentally large and connected, and patients often suddenly accept false dogmas without any evidence of their validity
as basis for scarier &/ more elaborate delusions, but that can all be conquered by patience from the listener-advisor.
While it's true a raving nut's story doesn't always make sense, that could be because the listener has a lack of (personal) experience with what is
talked about (ghosts, telepathic aliens, government mindcontrol programs, etc, etc).
And for a head-doctor, it shouldn't be much of a problem ever. It's part of their job. The proverbial "heat of the kitchen".
They should simply make private notes (that cannot be used as evidence against the patient), and keep offering reasons to, and tips on how stay
connected with normal reality.
But it's labor intensive, doing clinical psychology for all patients. I suspect this is the reason it's not being done atm.
A psychiatrist sees a patient max 30 minutes / week, i'm guessing a real head-doctor would take up to 7 hours a week per patient.
>If you want psychological help without meds then you need to see a clinical psychologist.
The funnels of psychiatery point toward lockup and forcing of pills, atm.
>However, in many cases a clinical psychologist will not see a patient suffering from schizophrenia if they are not on meds, due to the fact that it
becomes completely impossible to connect with them in a meaningful way.
That is truely due to the impatience of the psychologist then. It may take a few weeks of sessions before a patient trusts the psychologist enough, or
has absorbed enough of his arguments, for the treatment to work.
[edit on 4-3-2010 by jk197x]