Is Isreal a State...? or ISIS-RA-El depending how far you go back in time...

I ran across an article - that becons me to read it...
Personally, I say give the land back to the People it belongs too...
and let the Jews Buy there Homeland, somewhere in the Sinai... Syberia.
from Egypt or Russia ... the land of ISISRAEL belongs to the Arabs - and why are we siding with the wrong Owner is beyond me... it happend in 1948...
before I was born... we getting involved in their destiny for what...? is it our destiny --- I say NO... My Destiny is here... not there... my loyalty is here not there... I say you want ISREAL - its yours... enough is enough already... make peace - kiss and make up -- or the last man standing is the winner... your choice World...

www.aish.com...


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Evidence of a Jewish presence in Israel dates back 3,400 years.

en.wikipedia.org...

Arab Caliphate Period 638–1099 CE

en.wikipedia.org...


seems to me the jews, or their forerunners, were there first.

Wasn't the canninites there before the Jews?

Do these people even exist anymore?

yes, the Canaanites were there before the jews.

en.wikipedia.org...

Since the OP was stating that the land of Israel should be given back to the rightful owners, I thought I'd point out that the jews were there before the muslims, whom he was implying were the rightful owners. There are some who say the Canaanites were actually the Israelites but little historical documentation exists to make any real conclusion as to whom these people really were.

Originally posted by Crakeur
yes, the Canaanites were there before the jews.

en.wikipedia.org...

Since the OP was stating that the land of Israel should be given back to the rightful owners, I thought I'd point out that the jews were there before the muslims, whom he was implying were the rightful owners. There are some who say the Canaanites were actually the Israelites but little historical documentation exists to make any real conclusion as to whom these people really were.

I have to assume they are just another group of people lost to history.

Jews are a race, Muslims are a religion. So they [the Jews] have been around Much longer then the Muslims, where ever they might have lived or come from.

Totally agree with your last line. There must be a solution.
However, since this is not the first time i see the isis thing, i would like to describe why Israel combined from isis, ra and el is a very silly idea. First two are Egyptian deities. They are written correctly in hieroglyphs. So to take a part of English word describing this hieroglyph is childish.
Detailed explanation: "ra" is written as a picture of an eye with all sorts of stuff around. It was pronounced as rah or re. It is written and pronounced as ra now in a language which appeared at least a thousand years later then the name Israel.
Isis - it is written as a women ,half circle and a weird form. It was pronounced as usat/ese/esi. So far we have Esirahel. Or maybe you like better Usatreel? How someone can take half of a WRONG pronunciation/writing in a language at least thousand years younger then the one in which Israel is (not to mention the one in which isis was) written, is beyond my understanding.
El is fine - because it is a semitic word!!!! Just as Israel.
An example how you can make anything out of the blue if you try hard enough:
Let us take Iran:
Isis+RA+Nut. Hey - we just got Iran out of Egyptian gods. Oh joy. Let us disregard that both the Iran and names of Egyptian gods are written in English!!! Not in Egyptian hieroglyphs and Persian .
Because we just made a huge historical discovery!
Edit - wrong word.

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of course never mind history that borders are being redrawn every day and after every war.
The Jews lost the land and were given it back... ok
the Muslims lost it after taking it from the jews who had it taken from them from the Catholics during the Crusades

and the USA-CAnada and MExico were all Native lands taken by the French/English/andSPanish- should every one just move out?

Geopolitics change all the time this is the era and native peoples had a chance and lost their land in battles and wars and invasion- just as all of europe has been border haggling for centuries.

Israel (isisrael- first i ever heard that)
belongs by one or 3 generations now to the Modern Israeli's that is the world i grew up in and they did
Almost no one before who had claimed Israel as theirs is alive anymore just about everyone is post boundary creation.

too bad you lost out- and why don't the muslims just flock to mecca- what are they squabbling over? (I know desert and some holy places... you can still visit)

Originally posted by LDragonFire
Jews are a race, Muslims are a religion.

last I checked, judaism was a religion and followers of the religion are all of the same race as muslims, christians, buddhists and pagans...the human race

isis-real? is this like the theory that sun is son and son is sun in the texts?
(you realize the english word for sun is not the same as the egyptian word for sun or son and that these words are all different in their original languages?)

Originally posted by fiorano
of course never mind history that borders are being redrawn every day and after every war.
The Jews lost the land and were given it back... ok
the Muslims lost it after taking it from the jews who had it taken from them from the Catholics during the Crusades

who inherited it from the Romans who took it from the Jews who took it from the Babylonians who took it from the Jews . . .

Absolutely, and Thank You - for bringing up the Cainanites and ISIS-RA are Egyptian ... Now what if The Jews are really the Egytians "Pharoah's ruling class, and why are all the rulers of planet earth almost all are related despite the obvious color differences...
And what is up with this relatives run the country stuff.. seems to me there is 6.2 billion people... seems we should have at least 500K families running the show... but NO....
The book of Who's - Who, is almost like reading who is related to the british crown...
I mean, 90% of European Royalty are related.. Who's to say we are not dealing with the original ruling class - The Eyptians...


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the root words of israel are "sarah" and "el" from "yisrael"
cf.blueletterbible.org...

sun in egyptian is "itn"
not sun. and son is nothing like sun (itn).
in fact, the hieroglyph is totally different
www.jimloy.com...

ISIS RA EL ....
the-red-thread.net...

yes, I just find this more plyable to known history, and has historical
evolution to current times.

the-red-thread.net...

but isis is the greek spelling not the egyptian.

so are you saying that israel is based partially on the greek spelling of an egyptian goddess' name?

this is the same problem with assuming that because sun sounds like son in english, that it must be why jesus was just another sun god. when the words were not only not spelled like that in the original languages, there was no comparison.

if you want to deny ignorance, start by thinking etymology. there's some really common errors that can be dispensed with almost immediately by just learning what they mean and how they are spelled in their original language.

isis' egyptian name (her name was not isis to her own people, ya know?)
The Egyptian hieroglyphics for her name are commonly transliterated as jst; as a convenience, Egyptlogists pronounce that as ee-set. i've also seen Aset. Ast, and Est so if israel came from that, it'd have to be
asetrael or jstrael or estreal, or astreal. none of these words bare any similarity to sarai or sarah.

www.nemo.nu...




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Originally posted by Crakeur

Originally posted by LDragonFire
Jews are a race, Muslims are a religion.

last I checked, judaism was a religion and followers of the religion are all of the same race as muslims, christians, buddhists and pagans...the human race

I agre absolutely.

Even still that complicates matters.

If I convert now do I get a slice of the pie in terms of Israeli land?
Also how do I know the people that currently reside in Israel are the Israelites mentioned in the bible which is their "religious" claim to the land?

Honestly there is no telling who belongs where based on religion...but here in the States I know if the Native Americas started making claims to property (mine and any other citzen) they'd get a pat on the head and a Casino.

Meh...to quote Michael Franti & Spearhead's song "Hello Bonjour":

Cause every bit of land is a holy land and
every drop of water is a holy water and
every single child is a son or a daughter of the one
Earth mama and the one Earth papa, So
dont tell a man that he cant come here cause he got
brown eyes and a wavy kind of hair, And
dont tell a woman that she cant go there because she
prays a little different to a God up there.

You say youre a Christian
cause God made you
you say youre a Muslim
cause god made you
You say youre a Hindu and the next man a Jew
Then we all kill each other
cause God told us to NAH!

Wonderful.

- Lee

next problem, the link claims that Marduk was Mars. According to the astronomers of the timeframe in which Marduk rose to prominence, he was associated with Jupiter, not Mars. In fact, that's what they called Jupiter -- Marduk. Mars is a much later word and has no reference to Marduk.

Mars is named after the Roman god of war. In Babylonian astronomy, the planet was named after Nergal, their deity of fire, war, and destruction, most likely due to the planet's reddish appearance.[96] When the Greeks equated Nergal with their god of war, Ares, they named the planet Ἄρεως ἀστἡρ (Areos aster), or "star of Ares". Then, following the identification of Ares and Mars, it was translated into Latin as stella Martis, or "star of Mars", or simply Mars.

en.wikipedia.org...

Nergal and Marduk are not the same, so neither is Mars and Marduk



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I just watched a documentary on History channel about Jews and the exodus from Egypt. They found evidence on one of the Greek islands, I think it was Patmos. They were digging from ancient ruins and found some art work and tomb stones. The tomb stones had never been translated before this show, but the images were revealed to show what looked like the ocean with a column of dry land, and a chariot chasing a slave in the center.

What I am getting at with this is that: A) if they had gone to Patmos after escaping from Egypt they would have been introduced to their culture and would have found out that they referred to one of the Egyptian gods as "Isis."

B) With Isis, ra, and el, the Jews would have had the last peice to make the words Isis, ra, and el mean Isisrael, or Israel.

The Exodus Decoded:
www.history.com...

so they crossed the red sea via patmos? sorry.

i think a study of the word "Enosh" is going to be a lot more fruitful in this regard. especially if you're interested in what exactly was going on back then.

the three "men" that appear to abraham and sarah are not three men.
they are three enosh.

well, you can basically boil it all down to one rock - earth....
as far as everything goes, The only place that has all the
answers is the Vatican. for over the last 2000 years or so,
they have been collecting anything authentic from antiquity.
and at least 25% of the Library of Alexandria is suppose to
be stored at the vatican. So, if you want to know our history
you need to figure out how to get from behind locked doors
at the vatican. there was an attempt to put the Archive on
the Internet... all it takes is a few know items search
will retrieve no results - and we know they have the information.
So go ask the POPE to open the Archive --- it is said to contain
all sorts of UFO Stuff from throughout the ages... as well as
any question you have about where we come from and where
we are going as a people or planet....
all we know is --- we dont know...
we are just guessing...

I agree they've, who ever it may be(Vatican,Government,FBI,CIA,FDA,Food industry,Health industry,Big Corprate,Banks,NASA,Etc. about every branch you can think of are and is corrupt in there own way whether you choose to except it!)-They have been suppressing information since thier establishments, even man himself is a struggling concept and sometimes can not be trusted,man has had a goal, to run and control people-a power trip so-to-say.Even in ancient times the knowledge was kept (suppressed)from the common people so why would it be different NOW? -and if they are hiding the truth which they probably are it just goes to show you that there is a bigger agenda behind this all. I dont know whats going on around,it seems the more i think i might know something the more i actually dont know nothing. Back to the question-there is a saying that "Without Religion there is no Power,Without Power there is no Religion". isnt it ironic that alot of America is based on Egyptian/Roman(Paganism) still to this day-you just have to look,even some of our holidays are Pagan in origin-look for yourself(America,s Occult Holidays) or where ever you want to look, we carry on some of the most shadiest acts of Roman paganism known to man in the name of CHRISTIANITY most of us not knowingly.Its all around us Egyptian/Roman (Paganism) Hell isnt one of the biggest religion establishments called 'The Roman Catholic Church' there are signs and symbols everywhere as well. All i can say is dont stop searching,and keep an open mind. And about the question unfortunatly im not sure of the true origin of the word 'Israel' but is very interesting for the foremost and has alot to be explained if it is named after Eygptian Gods-this would not be good. Theres so many questions that they suppress the answers to.maybe to dumb us down i dont know. All i know is that most of us dont know squat and thats the way its suppose to be -according to them of course. Struggling for the truth has become even more of a struggle. thanx-drop a line. A Disgruntled American!