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The Capitalist Ground Shaken by the Earthquake in China

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posted on May, 27 2008 @ 11:42 AM
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The Capitalist Ground Shaken by the Earthquake in China


www.globalresearch.ca

What happens when such a natural disaster occurs is profoundly affected by how a society is organized. And many things about the nature of China have been revealed by this catastrophe. Most people around the world watching this heartbreaking tragedy think China is a socialist country, run by a communist government. But in fact, since the reactionary coup led by Deng Xiaoping after Mao Tsetung’s death in 1976, China has been a capitalist country, dependent on and subordinate to global imperialism. And some stark things about the exploitative and oppressive nature of capitalist China have been revealed in the aftermath of this devastating earthquake.

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posted on May, 27 2008 @ 11:42 AM
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This article brings up some interesting look at some of the issues which which have been brought to light in the wake of the recent earthquake.

Shoddy construction, inadequate building materials and a lack of construction funding in many cases led to a great deal of casualties, though the article also brings up issues of social inequality, building booms, and the introduction of capatalism as well.

The author is cleary pro-socialist and his bias is evident, but he does provide an interesting insight into the situation.

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posted on May, 27 2008 @ 12:32 PM
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I think it was in evidence in Russia as well - almost a snapping back action - from supposedly rigid equality of everyone under socialism to exaggerated self-serving wealth based classes under capitalism.
Its one extreme or another.
It is heartbreaking to think of young children being the victims in all of this.
I am not a religious person, but it seems like there is no underlying system of values in these countries to remind people that human life is more precious than wealth. Or is it?
I still have a hard time understanding the concept of subservience of individuals to the larger societal good that underpins Chinese life. Is that somehow part of the problem? Perhaps one the members here from that society can explain.



posted on May, 28 2008 @ 12:02 PM
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Originally posted by wayno
I think it was in evidence in Russia as well - almost a snapping back action - from supposedly rigid equality of everyone under socialism to exaggerated self-serving wealth based classes under capitalism.
Its one extreme or another.
It is heartbreaking to think of young children being the victims in all of this.
I am not a religious person, but it seems like there is no underlying system of values in these countries to remind people that human life is more precious than wealth. Or is it?
I still have a hard time understanding the concept of subservience of individuals to the larger societal good that underpins Chinese life. Is that somehow part of the problem? Perhaps one the members here from that society can explain.


Some of my fellow Chinese friends believe that there is a cultural tradition in China that collective good is more important than individual interests. I have some researvation to that point. Actually I think more and more people in China agree that individual interests are actually the purpose of collectiveness. But the individuals who have sacrificed themselves to save their babies, lovers and students are surely heroes in any society. In the recent around two weeks, Chinese media bombard people with all kinds of stories about love, family, generous help, especially the value of human life.

There is an old saying in China: Human life is as high as the God. When a society is in an unstable situation, especially in revolutions, such value is easily be forgotten. Hatred may prevail for some time. If you look at the history of Europe, you can easily see examples, from French revolution to WWII, no matter what reason, people kill and are killed. Nobody can guaranttee you can live happily forever . Tragedy may happen in any society, not only in China. I don't hold a view that those less developed countries don't respect human life. They have their troubles other people can't solve.

There is another old Chinese saying:the fate of a nation, it's easy to rise
and it's easy to down. A mayor kneeled down to his citizens to implore them to allow some time for him to investigate the reasons of collapse of schools. Actually the headquarters of that county collapsed as well. But surely the media has covered much more on the death of children. The area where the quake happened is a poor area, many houses were just built by peasants themselves. But officials can't shed their responsibilities for any reason. Media, netizens and volunteers expose inappropriate deeds everyday. Why didn't the government set more strict building standards as there is load of record that this area is with high risk of earthquake. They have to answer the question. Such questions will surely test both the government and all Chinese. By keep asking such questions, China will surely rise into a genuine mordern country with responsible governance.



posted on May, 28 2008 @ 12:54 PM
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Shoddy construction, inadequate building materials...


Not to make light of the situation, but that's just like with everything they make and send over here for us to buy at Wal-Mart.

If someone told me that China built the Twin Towers, then I could believe the official story of the collapses. They've been building crap for years; that's what they get. Sorry.



posted on May, 28 2008 @ 07:03 PM
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It's funny to see that you people like to buy and eat craps in such a large scale.



posted on May, 28 2008 @ 07:30 PM
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However... China has responded far better than we did to Katrina.



posted on May, 28 2008 @ 07:41 PM
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Originally posted by RabbitChaser
Not to make light of the situation, but that's just like with everything they make and send over here for us to buy at Wal-Mart.

They've been building crap for years; that's what they get. Sorry.


To be fair, you need to include Wal-Mart to share the blame in that. If they had any desire to sell high quality goods they would demand them and they would get them. Wal-Mart could give a crap about quality, they want to be cheap so they have to sell cheaply made items.



posted on May, 28 2008 @ 09:07 PM
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but capitalist and socialist are different though



posted on May, 28 2008 @ 09:12 PM
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Great post qiulin.

Very well written.



posted on May, 28 2008 @ 10:01 PM
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Normally I seldomly bother to read any mainland China news. But the unprecedented openness and transparancy of the media reporting this disaster give me several assurance and more confidence for certain issues and directions we are heading to. By the way, you do know that beside the stories about the value of human life stories like these tofu schools and dispictable cockroaches are also popping up, for example news.qq.com... It is very often up to the reader how much value and in what way he/she want to magnify the issue itself. Not to dismiss the whole article of this author, but certainly analyzed from a certain viewpoint. Eventually I do agree individuals self-interest will prevail and believe the capitalistic economy will not be abandoned all together. What you might see is a faster introduction of governance, accountability and a rule by law system.

One of my hope is, is that the school children killed in this disaster will not die in vain, and that the Central government could take this rare opportunity (which I wished never occured) as a way to reform the local governmental structures at the country-side. Strictly enforcing building codes (which apparently does exist in China, but loosely taken seriously) could be a way to sweep out corrupted officials (and constructors/developers etc). Similar like how the Shanghai clique was being check-mate, because of the 2003 SARS. For the longer-term this might be a positive light and the reforming of the whole governmental body might step into a new phase.


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posted on May, 29 2008 @ 08:29 AM
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well, i guess its no different there than in the west. its not until after a disaster that changes are made,
i wish the Chinese people well in re-shaping their society. Its encouraging to see that step by step they are trying to make things come out right.
Increased personal wealth of average citizens is a contributing factor to positive change, however, the extreme wealth of a greedy few at the top, just like here in the west, is a bad thing.



posted on May, 29 2008 @ 05:09 PM
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You know, there are plenty of multi-story buildings and other projects in the US in which corners were cut to save costs.

I realize that there are building codes to adhere but even so, rules are broken and shortcuts are taken. For example, we only have to look as far as new levee construction after Katrina to see evidence of it.

We have not had much in the way of problems because we have not had many large quakes in our population centers lately. I'm certain that when the next Northridge type quake occurs, we will become aware of shoddy construction that we were previously unaware of.



posted on May, 30 2008 @ 12:27 PM
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Unfortunately, more information has been disclosed. It's showed that all of 6 schools in the city of Dujiangyan collapsed but governmental buildings are still there. The death toll of children is really unproportionally high. Parents of children have been determined to pursue the truth behind the disaster. Some people have got to be responsible for that.



posted on May, 30 2008 @ 01:34 PM
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Originally posted by wayno
well, i guess its no different there than in the west. its not until after a disaster that changes are made,
i wish the Chinese people well in re-shaping their society. Its encouraging to see that step by step they are trying to make things come out right.
Increased personal wealth of average citizens is a contributing factor to positive change, however, the extreme wealth of a greedy few at the top, just like here in the west, is a bad thing.


The re-shaping is talking place in front of our noises. Just today several cases of officials in the disaster regions being sacked or picked up for investigations are published.

And this is why these super-rich was "forced" to give back to the society. Why I say forced? Well, millions donations by these rich are always for a reason. When on the internet Chinese netizens were complaining about which big company or rich tycoon did not donate or donated relatively very little. Normally I believe if someone donate merely 1 RMB I believe it is fine, it is just the prayers and support for your fellow (wo)men that is more important.



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