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Originally posted by dave420
reply to post by interestedalways
If you really are interested in understanding what you claimed, may I ask how you got independently-verified evidence to support your claims?
Because if you didn't, that's not evidence in the slightest, just more baseless assumptions.
Originally posted by omg aliens are so real
Well, I beleive in magic. It obviously must be real, because, as i said earlier, if there's no such thing as magic then where does the idea of magic come from?
Originally posted by Earthscum
Dave, Imean this seriously... In a majority of your flat out accusations, you NEVER have anything to back yourself up, EXCEPT RIDICULE OF OTHERS!
I really think you just get off on trying to be "THAT GUY" and getting the attention. It's a powertrip to you. I've seen you derail a couple other threads, much like you are trying to derail this one, and pulling me into it (I'll admit it!).
Lucid Dreaming... you pretty much ruined that thread. You are no different than the guy yelling 'CONSPIRACY!!!" at ANY gathering. Just STFU for awhile and you may learn something. You are such a loudmouth that is ALL YOU HEAR! You argue invalidly, with claims you can't or fail to back up, and all you seem to do is try to get people into fights with you. You get punched in the face much in real life? I'm willing to bet you wouldn't act like this around others... or you just pick your groups because they allow you to spout off irrationally? Or do you even have any friends at all? I'd be inclined to believe that you don't have friends because of the way you act. Now, go away and let us discuss this with the OTHER skeptics who ARE rational.
EDIT: This is my last reply to dave... I'll let his own ramblings and twists speak for themselves. Sorry, everyone for the little blowup there.
[edit on 27-5-2008 by Earthscum]
Originally posted by Vanitas
reply to post by Jinni
Jinni, I shall only say this: if you go and read Franz Bardon's works (preferably in the order they were published), you will find out almost everything that there is to know about it.
You shall also find out why is it that a true magician, as I said before, NEVER reveals himself or herself to others (OK, with very few exceptions... ).
Originally posted by dave420
reply to post by omg aliens are so real
There are people who call themselves witches and wizards. So far, not a single one has been able to demonstrate their abilities in a controlled environment. Which is weird, as a few organisations out there offer large amounts of money to people who can do just that.
The theory is that events (and thoughts) are connected in other ways than causally. "Causally" meaning by the law of cause and effect. In traditional physics all events have a cause, something that made exactly that event happen ("The clockwork universe"). This would mean that if we had all the existing factors, we could calculate exactly what would happen in any given system. For instance, if somebody kicks a ball up in the air, if we know the weight of the ball, the exact angle of impact by the foot, the force with which the foot hit the ball, the shape of the tip of the shoe, the wind velocity and direction (and all factors about the wind currents), and so on... then we could in theory say exactly where the ball would land.
But as quantum physics proved, this causality (and ORDER) only applies on certain levels. (Remember, all laws of physics are simply statistical.) In the microverse, i.e. on a sub-atomic level, all the laws of physics are out the window. Chaos rules. Particles can be on two places at the same time. Particles can travel back in time. Things happen for no reason, i.e. the effect has no cause. The very particles that make up the physical world as we perceive it, do not follow the laws that they create by their "behavior"! One cannot predict where a particle will go next, or even the behavior of an atom. In fact, also outside of the microverse it is now understood that a given cause does not always produce the same effect, although it might SEEM that way in most instances. (Laws of physics are statistical.)
Magick is the ability to manipulate things, life, objects, light etc., in such a way that science hasn't explained yet but will do in time (telekinesis, empathy, pyrokinesis etc.). There are theories, like telekinesis is caused by the charged matter in our bodies creating a magnetic field that with enough emotion will strengthen it enough to move objects by their magnetic field. Pyrokineis will occur in a very similar way. Everyone has this magnetic field (aura) and the skin on our limbs can detect changes in magnetic fields, if you were standing next to someone and their magnetic field changed due to change in emotion you will detect it (albeit so slightly that it is dismissed usually). As for telepathy, now this is a long stretch, if someone's empathic skills were srtong enough that they cpould get used to what mixture of emotions correlate to what things go through people's minds then possibly make an educated guess, science hasn't quite figured that one out yet