Originally posted by pai mei
Originally posted by SpartanKingLeonidas
Myself personally, well I've heard whispered rumors that he is a C.I.A. plant just like Saddam Hussein or Manuel Noriega were rumored as plants,
stuck deep in the 
and left to grow on their own.
Maybe so. But until now he has done good for Venezuela, for the 80% of them who are poor, not for the 20% who are rich and hate him, and have access
to mass media and internet to make him look like an evil dictator. He was elected in fair elections
Venezuela Outlaws Trawl Fishing
www.commondreams.org...
The day he does something evil like invade another country or starts killing opposition, I will call him a tyrant. Until now his opposition is doing
good, they even have their own TV station
Thanks Soldier of Darkness, nice to be on that list 
[edit on 28-5-2008 by pai mei]
If you read the list, I included Chavez along with other leaders like him. I'm guessing you saw Slobodan Milosovich as freeing people as well.
Chavez, Castro, and another world leader, signed a non-aggression pact, which is similar in connotation as what Hitler, Mussolini, and Hirohito all
signed, right before Hitler's troops blitzkrieged Poland.
The exception this time is that it will not necessarily be Chavez striking out first, but another well-known and well-hated country that will strike,
thereby doing a reverse of sorts of WWII, in that the "oppressor" will be the "freedom" seeming individual, while the "freedom" seeming country
will actually be the "oppressor" this time.
Role reversal, in order to twist the plot deeper, wider, and totally take away freedom from everyone.
Something I wrote while not having internet available :
From a historical point of view, the American citizen who questions authority is screwed. Censorship will be completely here very shortly and a
vast majority of American's do not realize it, nor do they realize it will be quietly swept under the rug, so to speak, with the United States
Constituion, by the very Government that is supposed to protect Freedom of Speech along with our beloved Civil Liberties.
Not because of a lack of trying to fight it though, but because of people just like the originator of this thread through the "give up, it's
inevitable" speeches, as well as their mentality of being a slave to the machine from birth.
In 1734 a man name John Peter Zenger, who was accused of sedition for pirinting a satirical commentary in the then Colonial American newspaer "New
York Weekly Journal" about the Governor of New York. Being imprisoned but later acquiting him, the First Amendment was added to the United States
Constitution in 1791. Congress knowing how powerful the printed newspaper was even then, passed the Sedition Act, which was clearly an attempt then to
crush politically oppositional parties through the attempt to make it seem that expressing or criticizing the Government was wrong. The Sedition Act
was later repealed because it was deemd to be a violation of the First Amendment, which protects Freedom of Speech, Freedom of Religion, as well as
Freedom of Assembly, and the right to petition Government and Freedom of the Press.
Right now as freedom loving Americans, many of who have died in various conflicts over the last several centuries, we the survivors, we those who live
free-thinking expressionistic lives, who are grateful for those hard won freedoms, even though a lot of people died needlessly a lot of people who
disagree with war, simply put because of the war-mongering and the war-profiteering is on general principle alone wrong, many United States citizens
do not realize their freedoms are about to be lost totally. I can understand making money, trust that I can, but through war-mongering as well as
war-profiteering, it is wrong.
To profit from someone's fears of surviving a conflict whether real or imagined, is in essence totrturing their very soul in order to financially
gain a psychological stranglehold of their mind as well as their wallet through a mental visage of an Andersonville or Auschwitz. This would be as
well similar to becoming a gatekeeper through an operation of sorts to keep all things alien, like knowledge and through knowledge, power, except a
belief that Government can do no wrong, essentially being said here that the mental barrier would be equivalent to the physical wall being built along
the Mexican/U.S. border, being a physical barrier to keep illegal aliens out.
Beware though, for a wall not only keeps people out for your safety, it keeps people in just as well, whether real or imagined, whether physical or
psychological. The threat of terrorism, whether real or imagined, is a powerful weapon, as powerful as say an actual nuclear weapon. The symbolism is
clear with the threat as well as the implied meaning of not listening to Government. According to Government, only they are alllowed to openly and
vaguely label a terrorist action, and that you must trust as well as listen, because according to Government, they can do no wrong.
That all being said here, people here as well as outside in the world of cars and work, must remember, that Government is run, by other people, and
sometimes, those people have hidden agendas as well as hidden meanings they do not tell you of, nor do they outline except through the doublespeak and
literal twiating of words in order to confuse the masses, or bore them into changing the channel.
[edit on 28-5-2008 by SpartanKingLeonidas]
[edit on 28-5-2008 by SpartanKingLeonidas]
Really now, that's interesting. 
