Jobless UK Youths To Be Put Into Camps

reply to post by youthofbritain


Erm at the end of the week if your pay doesn't give you minimum wage for each hour you worked then i think you'd have a case against that employer. These are not the only jobs out there, working on a till pays more then a lot of factory work, at least where i am anyway.

Yet, on my 'Jobseekers Agreement' its now a legal requirement that I apply for EXACTLY them kind of jobs.

I got one, and OK, it was a job... but it really did take the urine. Not the graft bit, I don't mind working.
Exploitation is the word I've been trying to think of all along.

Yes, healthy young people = source of labour

But that shouldn't mean "source of minimum wage skivvies who can be treated like animals on their way to have gallons of shampoo poured in their eyes to see if anything bad happens".

Bad analogy, but its what it boils down to in essence.

reply to post by selfisolated


You seem to be blaming all your problems for being unemployed on EVERYBODY but yourself.

Yeh blame the cheap polish labour? Dont cry because they are more efficient than you, If you didnt want to compete with polish immigrants you could of increased your skill level.

Also you complain about not being able to have a job because you have no degree? Well get a degree then, leme guess you got really low A levels and that wasnt your fault also.

reply to post by selfisolated


So you're simply having issues because you're paid minimum wage? then in that case get a better job. If you have A levels you can easily get a job in civil service. A friend of mine works at the Inland Revenue (pauses to allow people to boo), and she only has two a levels, both at grade C.

If you aren't qualified then minimum wage is where you should be and it's your own fault, plain and simple. People seem to want to get paid large amounts for meniable jobs when they have no expertise.

It isn't slave labor, getting paid minimum wage is far beyond slave labour, thats why we have it. Go to a country where you get paid pennies a day and work 18 hours without any holidays, breaks or sick days. That's slave labour.

[edit on 30-5-2008 by ImaginaryReality1984]

I remember reading this article not long ago.

Proof in my mind that the idea that the Tory Party are now filled with libertarian-esque progressives is nothing more than a media myth, and that behind Cameron they are still very much the "Nasty Party".

Watch out come 2010. I'll be hopefully well out of the country by that point.

reply to post by RedGolem


Working stiffs don't have time to hold leadership accountable for scraping the constitution and killing off the middle class swiftly and efficiently as the war ticks on and Congress approves increase in their own salary.

Work 60hrs/week and try keeping up with the white house and MSM press disinfo propaganda.

I learned more in 3months unemployed , than 4yrs at a University college.
College rewards right brain regurgitators that recite what is feed to them. Left brain that want to challenge or analyze or understand capitalism and gov't are seen as counter-culture hippies that have a fatal dna gene that causes one to use logic and rational thought, rather than submit to being programmed and molded.

The oversight for public education is foreign, communist model that fires a teacher for taking 5min to teach kids how to read a clock in Spanish or anything off strict ciriculum is condemed.

See movie "SCHOOL OF ROCK" Teachers often claim parent lawsuits keep the learning very narrow in scope, they don't want to be sued for teaching children valuble info and tools for adulthood.

Keep them stupid , so you don't get sued..........School system is fine with that ..... many not knowing the dumbing down is by design !!!!!!!!!!!

In criminal system of gov't always blame the victim, never accountable.

reply to post by vanosman


Vanosman
thanks a lot for your post. You do have a lot of good information. Like I said before I am all for getting people off the dole, but you are making sound like the system does need a real overhaul.
I hear you about learning more in a few months of unemployment then you do at school. When you find your self having to use the system you do learn a lot.

reply to post by GAOTU789



oh come on...there wont be "camps" in a way we assume they exist, If these lay abouts are expecting to take tax payers money on benefits then they should at least give something back to the community they are taking from. And no, that isnt some socialist/communist idea, it's called taking on responsibility and earning a decent living like everyone else.

You don't get something from nothing, and if you can work to support yourself you should. This report mentions nothing about "putting older people" or "pensioners" in camps to work, nor does it say anything about forcing incapacitated to work. The only conspiracy here is The Labour Party and it's continued oblivious attitude to the social problems that have risen under its watch.

I wonder how many people on here who scream fascism and totalitarianism have actually read the Tory website where they explain what their policy actually is:

www.conservatives.com...

downloading the report too, explains further.

It Takes A Village to Raise a Child
This ancient African proverb teaches eternal truth. No man, woman, or family is an island.

I think as it has been said already here , many children of today are pushed through a system of education that ill prepares them for life.

The exams are easier to make the system look as if it is working, whilst at the same time , young boys and girls whom have no inclination to learn are forced to sit in class when they could be learning skills to provide a decent living such as carpentry, bricklaying , plumbing etc.

I see people in the street in London walking into each other knocking over children and older people and treating young adults and teens as beneath them.

stand back and look the next time you are out, and then try and smile offer some help or advice.

Find an alternative or even ask your local council what are they doing for our youth, be positive and offer solutions. This works

love

Yeah...I'm really starting to think that we should all run off into the woods and start a new civilisation based on FREEDOM.

Speaking as a jobless loser myself, I think this isn't that bad. It seems that have a choice to go, and if you don't go to the camp, then no welfare for you, which In my opinion is a good idea. When they start rounding up all the jobless people and not letting them out of the camps, not letting them breed, then I'm worried.

I don't live off welfare, (thank god for parents) I work occasionally here and there, but nothing really good. I got very few skills (and the ones I do have, I either lie about on resumes or just 'embellish' the truth a bit. But if I could go to some place where they would teach me a few things, how to get a decent well paying job, I would honestly go to it.


I'm lazy, but not that I don't want to work, just too lazy to look for a decent job.

How about abolishing government and taking care of ourselves for once? Sound like a good idea? Just watch and see how better off the world is as a whole.

reply to post by CPYKOmega


I do think you have basically the right idea. Just also need to be aware that there are several things the government needs to do that should not necessarily be left to the people.

Originally posted by SolarskyeIf the parents can't do it, then I'm glad to see the government do something about it. Believe I think the best thing a government can do and should only do is protect their country and the rights of their citizens. But for once I have to agree with them stepping in and I only hope that the program will work and change lives for these kids.

[edit on 5/28/2008 by Solarskye]

I feel something is wrong with the government stepping in this issue. Could it be the start of enslavement? If people can't afford to live the way they want, since the economy is going down the drain. The people will have to then rely on the government to help them out.

I can only hope it's for a good reason than greed and power.

I think it is a privilege to pay for the needy. It is a point of honour to pay those taxes which support my nation's health and welfare systems.

I would have it no other way. I know that some would gripe about the freeloading nature of others, but that is just the way it is and always will be.

To live in a society where I can live the life that I do whilst simultaneously providing a similiar lifestyle for others is a thing of wonder.

We have excelled beyond all other civilizations that have came before us and it is because of our refusal to dismiss our conscience. We are the only Known Humanitarian Society to have ever arisen and here we are - legislating that beautiful thing out of existence.

I am shamed by the Fascist coup that we have allowed to occur in our great Nations. By our ambivalence and ignorance we find ourselves now on the brink of a new society, a Scientific Dictatorship the likes of which we cannot fathom.

Are you a good man? Will you do nothing?

reply to post by doctormcauley


Doctor,
I think most would certainly congratulate you on your humanitarianism. It is just applying that level of commitment to a large society will not always work. The term Dole goes back to the roman times. They gave food away to its people for doing basically nothing and that did not last all to long before the system fell apart.
What is happening here is those on the dole must show up to what ever program the government will put together for training or what ever it is they will be doing. I see this as a start to get people off the dole. Perhaps in the long term the system will be much smaller then it is now.

reply to post by doctormcauley


I have no issue with my hard-earned taxes going to the needy, it's just that in this day and age the needy form the minority of those receiving my hard-earned taxes.

I live in a cul-de-sac of 12 houses where 'the needy' consist of one wife-beating alcoholic, two alcoholics who beat each other and a job-shy twenty-something who narrowly avoided conviction for murder on a technicality (ie the 20 or so witnesses who saw him stab the other youth wouldn't testify against him).

Within 1/4 sq mile the needy consist of school-age single mums, drug addicts, ex-offenders, paedophiles and more alcoholics. There are also a lot of people with 'bad backs'. They all seem to enjoy a full life of hanging about on the streets, breeding, fighting, putting each others' windows through and generally making everyone else's lives a misery.

reply to post by MajjicMouse


Mouse
I pretty much do agree with everything you said.
All the examples you gave, is a big reason why I do think a majority of those who actually do work and pay taxes want the system to change.

reply to post by MajjicMouse


Bad backs, i'm sorry but that ones my personal bug bear. I have a severly compressed disk in my back, i've had it for years and it hurts like hell, however i worked with it, i just dealt with the pain. Most of these people with bad backs, either don't have one or it's a mild muscular problem, whist painful it's not that bad.

All the other examples you gave should have their benefits docked until they get off of alcohol and/or drugs. As for the work shy 20 year old, well a good slap and enforced work seem perfectly acceptable to me for that little (insert profanity at will here).

reply to post by ImaginaryReality1984


sorry about your back.
I work in a physically demanding job. I do fear I will devolp a back problem at some point. I try to be carfull in everything I do, keeping my back straight when I lift and all.
On the flip side I have been around the people, and working with some, and heard the stories of the back injuries which are nothing more the fabrication. I truly hope I will never devolpe a back injury. The problem is when you are a working stiff it is only a matter of time before something happens.