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Originally posted by RedGolem
Jobless UK Youths To Be Put Into Camps
(visit the link for the full news article)
A future Conservative government will bring in "boot camps" for unemployed young people aged between 18 and 21 who refuse to take a job, Chris Grayling, the party's welfare spokesman, will say tomorrow.
In a significant hardening of Conservative policy towards welfare claimants, he will announce the abolition of benefit payments for any able-bodied person under 21 who is out of work for more than three months and who refuses to go on a compulsory community service programme or a "boot camp"
You only used the headlines which are so misleading and the first paragraph which is also misleading. Chris Grayling is hardly going to announce they are introducing "boot camps" (surely even the inverted commas are a hint).
users of this site will read or skim over the first page and have an opinion without actually reading the article in full. Ok it's not your fault but being the OP you have a duty to read and understand the article in full instead of taking the parts that fit. to what you're saying and present it to other users.
The term boot camp is being used only to make it sound hard-hitting. It doesn't imply at any point that people will be rounded up and put into detention centres without consent. On the contrary if they don't attend they get no benefits. Not exactly a great idea in my eyes but politicians aren't good at coming up with good ideas. It will be run by private firms and volunteer groups and Oz firm Work Directions have successfully bid. They have taken part in some very similar schemes in Oz with success.
Originally posted by Solarskye
This wouldn't be happening if their parents would of tried much harder to bring them up right. Most of these young adults ( KIDS ) ran the streets at an age where their parents could of taught them better. I see kids now running the streets, smoking their cigarettes and trash talking and I wonder where their parents are? Are they off doing drugs somewhere or drinking it up or maybe just to lazy to be a part of their child's life. There's no excuse and only the parents fault for these kids growing up ignorant and uneducated.
Originally posted by burdman30ott6
I'm seeing a lot of this in this thread: "The government should stay out of our lives!" which is fine, but the only problem is the same folks who say that also say this "the government is responsible for ensuring every citizen has a good job with a living wage and, barring that, they should take care of the poor!" oftentimes both statements bookending each other in the same post...
Is it really so difficult for people to understand that it's ridiculous to have you hand out going "gimme, gimme" while refusing to adhere to any expectations or conditions that should be met to get your handouts? Ever hear of an old saying "Beggars can't be choosers?" Seems like a major problem with the world today is the beggars have a chip on their shoulder and believe they have a right to anything and everything they desire. Sorry, it doesn't work that way nor should it.
I'm a firm supporter of programs like this and I believe they don't go far enough. This country (USA) for example... everytime I dirve along a road that has trash and litter lining the roadside I wonder why it is that there are able-bodied individuals recieving federal handouts while this work goes undone. Every working-aged person, aside from complete invalids, who recieves a hand out from the government should be required to perform community service at a level commisurate with the ammount of their hand out. Pick up trash, read to kids, serve food, scrub toilets at rest stops, take responsibillity (for many of them) for the first time in years.
It's apparently fascism for the government to have any involvement in their country's citizens lives... unless, of course, that involvement entails writing checks out to the lazy, poor, and needy... and then it's sunshine and farts all around. I'd rather see my tax dollars going to the millitary, at least they're actually working for my money.
Originally posted by youthofbritain
i just remembered about a place i worked once. it was a 50 hour week over 5 days. in the contract was the clause "if you miss a day of work (this includes being late too, as the building is locked during shift)you will lose that days wage plus £20 for every day you do work"). so one missed day is an £80 fine on top of a loss of days wages. two missed days is £120, which would leave you with about £30 for 27 hours work. i don't even think sick days got you out of this.