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A large scale search was immediately launched. Its important to note that the aircraft was lost in late November and although the weather was stable, it was winter, snow covered the ground and the water of Lake Superior was freezing.
The Air Force later stated that the "UFO" turned out to be a Royal Canadian Air Force (RCAF) C-47 "On a night flight from Winnipeg, Manitoba, to Sudbury, Ontario Canada." The F-89 apparently had crashed for unknown reasons after breaking off the intercept. In answer to queries from the NATIONAL INVESTIGATIONS COMMITTEE ON AERIAL PHENOMENA (NICAP) in 1961 and again in 1963, RCAF spokesmen denied that one of their planes was involved. Squadron Leader W. B. Totman, noting that the C-47 was said to be on a flight plan over Canadian territory, said "... this alone would seem to make such an intercept unlikely."
Radar information and the original search grid were available as to where the F-89 was believed to have gone down, so the company had area to investigate. They had just begun searching the area, using the new wide trajectory side scan sonar, and on their first pass located an object on the bottom. It was a plane and the scans proved it was a F-89. The port (left) wing was missing, probably sheared off as well as a piece of the rear tail wing. The starboard (right) wing was partially buried, due to the crash or the gradual build up of silt over the years.
< Jimenez stated, "We have confirmed the identity of the F-89 using several techniques. First, the general design of the aircraft is a complete match. Our scan shows an upswept tail section which is a design characteristic of only the F-89 (hence the model name "Scorpion"). Second, this aircraft has a wing pod. Also a design match to the F-89. Also the canopy location is a match. There are also other exact matches that I can't go into at this time. There were no other F-89s or similar aircraft lost over the middle of Lake Superior."
“Threats were made regarding the salvage of the object, essentially ‘tell us where it's at or else...’ The individuals represented themselves as producers for the Discovery Channel. We made a few calls, found out the group was fraudulent and told them we no longer were interested in any future dealings with them...that's when the threats started. As a security precaution we changed all phone numbers associated with GLDC and have not included any company or personal information (like background info on the team) on any interviews. Until this situation (returning to the object) is resolved we will not be providing any further information on the project or the team.”
Originally posted by LateApexer313
reply to post by Frank Warren
What a horrible jerk, I am glad you and MUFON got to the bottom of the hoax. And like you said...I hope he gets what he deserves, it would be a shame if he was allowed to get away with this cruel deed and remain unscathed legally or financially.
1nL1ghtened: I was thinking the same thing. All evidence would have long since been pulled from the lake I would imagine.
Originally posted by thefreepatriot
Very good article, The group or company has since been threatened severly... It is clear there is an object down there... What it is exactly I do not think we will ever know.
Originally posted by bluestreak53
Thanks Frank for your comments. From my personal conversations with Moncla family members, I think they were waiting for confirmation of the reports before rushing to conclusions. However, they have for certain always felt that they were not given the full story by the USAF. As an example, here is a letter written by the pilot Eugene Moncla's mother Yvonne to UFO investigator Donald Keyhoe:
Originally posted by Frank Warren
Good Day "G"
I'm glad to hear that the family was not too disrupted by the perp's "fun 'n' games." Sadly there seems to be a pattern by the military in the handling of UFO related incidents where a death is involved, e.g., Mantell, Brown and Davidson etc. In talking to family members of Davidson's, his mother believed the "UFOs had something to do with her son's death" up until the day she passed.