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Originally posted by outrider
here is something i bet you didnt know
And a retort to that,
I bet you didnt know that Ducks Mate for life.
A simple animal, but it mates for life.
Its Daffy and Dasiy duck. Its simple, its universialy know. Not Daffy and Donald, not Daisy and Susy. Daffy and Daisy duck.
You dont see boy ducks running around, with other boys ducks, thinking that they are better then the hetero-couple ducks... ducks are simple. Ducks
know, that if 2 ducks of the same sex start living together, and that becomes the norm, well, after a while there wont be anymore little baby
So what of a society when the Ducks are smarted then the Humans?
Surely you cant say, that because dolphins (im assuming just males...) have sex with members of the same sex, that it means that humans should also???
There are a myrid of species on this planet, in which the Female will KILL the male after mating? What actions of other animals is it apropiate to
humans to mimic? And who draws the lines on which animals to follow, and what actions?
Anonymous, I hold no ill will against any that happens to misspell something, all of ATS knows my spelling is not what anyone would call good, but i
would hope that i am able to still get across my message.
If you can agree that 'homosexualit' cannot be inherited Geneticly, but it is possible that certain foods/hormones could change the chemical make-up
of a person. In effect, by stating that its not possible for Homosexuality to be inherited, then it is infact, a defect that is the result of various
outside forces acting on the person.
By saying that homosexuality is not a choice, but is neither a gentic inheritence, you paint yourself into a tight corner. You open the door for a
myrid of diffrent scenerios in which 'homosexuality' was unknowingly aquired by a child.
You would start out, saying that th actions, surrounding the child, will form the mold for the child.
Such that, little Molly was normal, and would have grown up to like boys, but instead, when she was 2 years old, her mom held her in her lap while she
watched Sex-in-The City, and now Molly will grow up to like Girls?
Or mabye, Billy and his family grew up in California, where for all his life, Billy drank tap water, which was laced with flouride, which changed the
hormones in his body and made him gay?
This is similar to the argument that people use to say that alchohalism is a disiease, and they have no control over it. People have that ability to
make a choice weather to drink or not. A person cannot be an alchohalic, if they choose never to start drinking. To say alchohalism is something that
is out of your control, is an outright lie.
A person is not born a homosexual, they have to make that choice, to be homosexual, to give in and 'be' with someone from the same sex.
The funny thing is, when a heterosexual person chooses not to reproduce, it's a sign of empowerment in todays culture that one has that choice.
Todays 'culture' does not look at people who decide not to have children as empowered... sure there may be patches of people that think that way,
that are centerend around San Fransicko and NY City, but these people who think its so cool to just party and party into thier 40's, you may look at
these people and say... "Ohh, they are so progresive, how empowering... the lady doesnt want to have a baby, cause it could mess with her figure....
oh... good for her..."
Your compltly wroung, most of the country doesnt see hetro-couples that are childless as a good thing, its the oppisite, people are disgusted that
these people are so self serving, all they care about is them selfs. You think its empowering, let me tell you something, the rest of the nation, they
think its sick.
All around the world, the civilized people, are preproducing at a lower rate, this inst a population that is exclusive to America, ALL OVER EUROPE
they have this problem.
And conversly, in the impoversished nations, the birth-rate is soaring...
Its like there is an inverse relation of the Birth rate and the litiricy rate...
If your an nation of illiterate scumbags, each couple has like 5 babies a year...
Now you go to a great nation, The man is a Teacher, and the Woman a scientist, how many babies do they have, None...
Look at the birth rates of countries, like Italy, France, Spain, Germany, Britain, then also look at the birthrates of the INDIGIOUNUS people of those
countries, its dropping, like a ship, sinking faster then the USS Arizona on Dec. 7th 1941...
Why.. why do smart people not want kids... nations are losing thier indigiouns population, and they are being replaced with foreigners, dumber,
hornier, and cheaper...
Yea, its like capitalism and survial of the fittisest on a country scale... the old rich smart people, they have so much money, so much opertunity, so
many great things to invent, or write, or do, so they go about thier lifes, only concerned with what concerns them, and care only for the pleasures of
Meanwhile, some illiterate, 3rd worlder, south of Tijiwana, has a crappy job, nothing outside of the essentials of life, and what do they do, they pop
babies out at a record rate.
But, after that little tanget, no one is saying that it is EMPOWERING to not have kids... its not looked upon as a good thing... other then inside
Bill Gates Circle, lower birth rates are not celebrated.
Just because Hollywood, and the newspapers protray couples without children as 'empowering' doesnt mean it is.
When i was in high school, i used to work at a discount movie theather. It was a run down pile of junk, that showed 8-month old movies at a
discount... only theather in the area, it had been open 15 years, changed owners several times, and the entire time, an elderly lady worked there. My
older brother worked there before me, under diffrent owners, lady was always there, thru 3 diffretn ownerships...
It was just kids at this place, everyone in highshcool, and the management was under 30... it was a simeple job, the old lady just sold the tickets...
in the down time, we used to talk to her, she was in her 70's...
She told us that her husband, used to be a director, and that she and him were very well off, but they always would put off having a child, as there
was always a next project to do...
The years rolled on she said, she said she had tons of fun, every night was a party, all the big parties, with the big names, all the drugs... before
she new it she was getting old, and her husband got sick, he passed away when she was over 50 years old, she was left a widow, and childless...
She was still pretty well off, and moved to Florida, where she still lives today, she got the job as being the ticket-selling lady at the theater, and
she held that job every since... she said that she considered all the employees of the theater, her children, and over the years, she loved some of
them, and hated others.
She realy wanted kids, but the lifestyle her and her husband lived, it never happened, and before she knew it, it was too late... she is still working
there, after high school, i moved cross country, but a few years ago, i went back, and she was still there, and there was a whole new group of
employees... my best friends little brother is working there now, years his younger, and now he works there... we are all children in her heart,
because she has no children of her own...
If you ask her, i doubt she would tell you that the exeperince was empowering...
[edit on 5/28/2008 by TKainZero]