the link that clear mind posted is a fantastic look at the unreasonable use of flouride in our water system and has some great ideas on how to avoid it .
if i ever have kids they are not going to drink flourinated water i can tell you this.
as far as i know flouride was not introduced into our water systems till after WW two and this fits in quite nicely with a couple of the other threads added here

flouride is to prevent cavities..........




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putting flouride in our water is the equivalent of putting fecal matter in our raviolis or chili or worse. definetly worse. wish i had well.

I hate not having links for any of this... lost all my awesome links about 2 years ago when I reinstalled my pute...

If I remember right, there was a plant north of NY city that was pumping mass amounts of flouride byproduct into the air. When people started getting sick in the area, the government started it's campaign about how 'flouride is good for you' and started pumping it into the water supply to 'help eliminate cavities' and to prove that it wasn't bad. Of course, this flouride came from the plant, which in turn reduced it's flouride emissions and the people in the area quit getting sick. I didn't know about the flouride treatment to make docile prisoners, but it would've been about the same time.

There have been suits filed against different corporations by communities that were getting sick after they noticed large amounts of flouride byproduct being pumped into the air. I believe one was in Pennsylvania. Of course, the government got involved (allegedly because they had stock in the corporations or owned them, or whatever... basically lots of money was at stake), and again started pumping the crap into the water supply to 'prove' it wasn't the cause.

I'm sure a person could do a search and find this same info. I'll look and see if I can find the source I heard it from (actually may have been ATS article, lol...)

Well, here's a "snippet" from the link I just posted:

How does fluoride effect the environment ?

Most processes which take raw materials from the earth's crust and subject them to high temperatures liberate fluorides. Fluorine compounds are involved in the production of aluminium, steel, uranium, beryllium, bricks, cement, pottery, enamel, plastics etc. The aluminium industry produces the highly poisonous by-product fluo-spar from aluminium slag. Hydrogen fluoride and elemental fluorine are also used in the nuclear industry in uranium production. For many of these industries fluorides present the biggest waste disposal problem. This begs the question who will be making profit by selling fluoride to our municipalities which would otherwise be very costly to dispose of ?14

Industries ( mostly steel and aluminium plants ) emmitting fluoride air pollution have been blamed for destroying crops and laming cattle, corrosion of steel bridges and killer smogs . In Donora, Pennsylvania from October 27-31, 1948 a fluoride rich smog from the town's zinc mill killed 20 people, numbers of livestock and pets and caused a further 6000 people to become ill.15

Phosphate fertiliser factories have also caused fluoride damage to animal and plant life in their vicinity. The application of phosphate fertilisers to soil dramatically increases fluorides in the soil which results in uptake by crops we later eat and contamination of drinking water through run off. In the district of Aichi in Japan people were taking in as much as 11mg of fluoride a day from foods they were eating.

What these examples indicate is that we are already exposed to high levels of fluoride. By fluoridating our water we will increase the load, dispersing fluoride further through the environment where it accumulates and finds its way back into our food products. Albert Schatz calculated that fluoride toothpastes alone were adding 116 000 pounds of fluoride to the environment in the 1970's.

I have also read plenty of things on fluriode and aspartame. I no longer drink tap water, nor do I eat any "nutrasweet(or any sugar substitutes)" products. I'm actually surprised so many people know about it.

Wasnt the idea of Flouride attacks a popular idea in the Cold War, usually propogated by mountain men? That it was all one huge communist plot to make us weak through flouride and then invade? As crackpot today as it was back then.

Originally posted by Agent47
Wasnt the idea of Flouride attacks a popular idea in the Cold War, usually propogated by mountain men? That it was all one huge communist plot to make us weak through flouride and then invade? As crackpot today as it was back then.

Man, all I read from you is a bunch of namecalling. If you're gonna post, actually post some useful info. Did you not check out the links I posted earlier? Or click on the search and check out even more links? The only thing I've seen that substantiates the supposed 'good' effects of flouride are written by government agencies. Most, if not all, privatly researched effects of flouride show it to be a poison. Read the back of your toothpaste! Why would they put something like this on the back of your flouride toothpaste? As follows:

from the back of Kid's Crest Flouride Anticavity Toothpaste
Active: Sodium flouride 0,243% (0.15% w/v flouride ion)
Use: helps protect against cavities Warnings: Keep out of reach of children under 6 yrs. of age. If more than used for brushing is accidentally swallowed, get medical help or contact a Poison Control Center right away.
...

If you would actually read something more than just the boards, like the links for instance, you would know what some of us were talking about!

Now... if you want to debunk something, post some GOOD info for us with reasons... not some hokey about mountain men in russia that alot of us probably haven't even heard about before.

We extend YOU that curtousy... please be considerate, or don't post.

Although what is interesting is that the Flouride in toothpaste is not "pure" flouride, it is Sodium Flouride, because of that, it's properties are drastical changed. Think of it this way, we can eat salt perfectly fine without dying (unless you eat too much and dehydrate yourself, then you have the possibility of dying, but thats like anything, too much of one thing isn't a good thing). Salt is a mixture of Sodium and Chlorine, it is known as Sodium Chloride - NaCl. When Sodium and Chlorine are seperate they are very deadly, when combined, they form plain old salt, a product that is in just about all the food and drinks we ingest. Now, because Flourine is combined with Sodium, it becomes Sodium Flouride, because of this it now has new properties. If you brush your teeth regularly (twice a day) and floss, the odds of you getting cavities are very slim. Have you gotten cavities from brushing your teeth with toothpaste that has Sodium Flouride (about 99% of toothpaste have Sodium Flouride in it)? If you were given just Flourine, or Sodium for that matter, you would be dead where you stand. Sodium Flouride can still harm you (like I said, anything can harm you), but the odds of it killing you are very slim. Not unless you ingested gobs and gobs of toothpaste. People who regulary brush their teeth and floss (and keep away from the sweets) will more then likely never get cavities. I'm not so sure we need Fluoride (I'm not so sure they are putting in pure Flourine, even then it isn't enough to kill you) in our water supply anymore, but it's no worse then the Chlorine that is put in public water (to kill bacteria). Speaking of cavities, did any of you know that many forms of Anti-Depressants, Anti-Biotics, Pain Killers, etc... cause tooth decay? The US is the biggest supplier and user of prescription drugs. I tend to think that Flouride isn't the reason for cavities but the very drugs that people use to "rid" themselves of ailments. Hence that is the reason why America has so many cavities. Of course it is also caused by the overuse of these prescription drugs. I have known many people who have had perfect teeth and after they have been put on certain prescription drugs for certain ailments, their teeth start to decay over time. It's not a pretty site. Just remember this the next time you need your prescription drugs to combat some "ailment."


[Edited on 3-3-2004 by EmbryonicEssence]

Also, to answer watcheroftheskies question on a filter that gets rid of flouride: A filter that performs reverse osmosis (expensive, but worth the price) will get rid of 99% of things you don't want in your water.

Sounds like another funny way to keep people from brushing. Kinda like those whitening strips.

[Edited on 2-3-2004 by Jeffrey]

yea, embryonicessence about the prescript drugs cauzin' tooth decay; heroin does the same thing








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You never digest enough flouride for it to harm you.

I have well water too so I don't have to worry about flouride, but who knows what else is in the groundwater...
The last few summers, they closed the beaches here because of e. coli. We're not supposed to eat most species of fish in the lake according to the DNR because of mercury and whatnot. A water treatment plant upriver dumps untreated sewage into the river every time it rains hard, so they have warnings not to come in contact with the river water which then flows into the lake and contaminates even more areas.

Don't let anybody tell you that Michigan is a nice clean nature state.

jeffery you said it sounds like another way to keep people from brushing there teeth....what?
who is trying to keep people from brushing there teeth?
certainly not the tooth paste companies
were not talking about toothpaste and brushing my good man...we are talking about ingesting it in our water.....did you read the entire thread?