Well, it seems that we have yet another example of how guns really make little difference when it comes to crime. People will always find ways to kill
eachother, and from what I hear, the Brits are having a real hard time now with people using blades.
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Topic started on 24-5-2008 @ 10:30 PM by jackinthebox
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Teen actor in upcoming 'Harry Potter' film killed
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LONDON - A British teenage actor playing a minor role in the upcoming "Harry Potter" film was stabbed to death during a brawl in London on Saturday, police said.(visit the link for the full news article)
Rob Knox, 18, was stabbed after he got caught up in a fight outside a bar in southwest London early Saturday, London's Metropolitan Police said in a statement.
reply posted on 24-5-2008 @ 10:44 PM by jackinthebox
reply to post by intrepid
Well, I would say the issues are intimately tied in this case. Another tragic example of how disarming a people has done very little to protect them. The fact that this time it happens to be a person of some renown, only serves as an exclamation point to a problem that London has been having for some time now, with the youth becoming particularly violent with the use of knives.
The death of this young man is indeed tragic. I will refrain from making too much of the "Harry Potter" aspect and how that may tie in with the "alternate" crowd here at ATS. I'm sure people will want to know about this, and be saddened by the news, but I also welcome constructive debate on how this tragedy might have been avoided.
Well, I would say the issues are intimately tied in this case. Another tragic example of how disarming a people has done very little to protect them. The fact that this time it happens to be a person of some renown, only serves as an exclamation point to a problem that London has been having for some time now, with the youth becoming particularly violent with the use of knives.
The death of this young man is indeed tragic. I will refrain from making too much of the "Harry Potter" aspect and how that may tie in with the "alternate" crowd here at ATS. I'm sure people will want to know about this, and be saddened by the news, but I also welcome constructive debate on how this tragedy might have been avoided.
reply posted on 24-5-2008 @ 10:54 PM by intrepid
Originally posted by rcwj75
....the human nature to kill will remain...the only difference will be that murder/killing will become much more personal, up close, and alot more messy....BUT WILL NEVER STOP!
Uh-huh. The thing is that dead is dead. The method doesn't matter. Someone still gets buried. The thing with guns is that there is a much greater chance of collateral damage. Not so, "up close" but just as messy. Read that as MORE body bags.
That being said, I still maintain that this is a sensational piece with a political agenda. No offence meant but that's how I see it.
Edit to add link:
en.wikipedia.org...
If knives were used here Jane would still be alive.
[edit on 24-5-2008 by intrepid]
reply posted on 24-5-2008 @ 11:04 PM by bodrul
reply to post by jackinthebox
may ask so what
does him staring in harry pothead make his death any more diffrent then anyone else?
may ask so what
does him staring in harry pothead make his death any more diffrent then anyone else?
reply posted on 24-5-2008 @ 11:07 PM by mybigunit
Originally posted by bodrul
reply to post by jackinthebox
may ask so what
does him staring in harry pothead make his death any more diffrent then anyone else?
I dont think that was jacks point I think the point is its another death by someone who shouldnt of been killed. I cant remember what state did this but they pushed for every house to get a gun or required it one or the other and since then home invasions are down to nothing. What state was this?
reply posted on 24-5-2008 @ 11:08 PM by jackinthebox
reply to post by intrepid
It is a sad story you posted, but still does not change the fact that tragedy is going to happen no matter what. The shooter in your story there, did he have his gun legally?
I can tell you this, I was shot in the fourth grade on my way home from school. Caught in the crossfire of a gang-related shootout. I am still offended by the infringements on the Second Amendment.
I also know of one case personally, in which someone was accidentally stabbed to death during a melee one night at a local nightclub.
EDIT to add: Well, not really "no matter what" but regardless of how restricitve the laws become. Laws don't change people. Society must be responsible to itself.
[edit on 5/24/0808 by jackinthebox]
It is a sad story you posted, but still does not change the fact that tragedy is going to happen no matter what. The shooter in your story there, did he have his gun legally?
I can tell you this, I was shot in the fourth grade on my way home from school. Caught in the crossfire of a gang-related shootout. I am still offended by the infringements on the Second Amendment.
I also know of one case personally, in which someone was accidentally stabbed to death during a melee one night at a local nightclub.
EDIT to add: Well, not really "no matter what" but regardless of how restricitve the laws become. Laws don't change people. Society must be responsible to itself.
[edit on 5/24/0808 by jackinthebox]
reply posted on 24-5-2008 @ 11:12 PM by jackinthebox
reply to post by bodrul
Only in that it may hit a bit "closer to home" for some people. People hear about street violence everyday, but when it happens to someone that they can identify with, then suddenly people seem a bit more concerned. I'm not saying it's right, just an observation. I suppose I fall into that category as well though, to some extent, having actually said out loud, "oh my god," when I saw the article.
[edit on 5/24/0808 by jackinthebox]
Only in that it may hit a bit "closer to home" for some people. People hear about street violence everyday, but when it happens to someone that they can identify with, then suddenly people seem a bit more concerned. I'm not saying it's right, just an observation. I suppose I fall into that category as well though, to some extent, having actually said out loud, "oh my god," when I saw the article.
[edit on 5/24/0808 by jackinthebox]
reply posted on 24-5-2008 @ 11:13 PM by jackinthebox
reply to post by mybigunit
That would be Georgia I believe. I don't think it was a state law though. It was a county, or even a town perhaps in Georgia. Point still stands though.
What state was this?
That would be Georgia I believe. I don't think it was a state law though. It was a county, or even a town perhaps in Georgia. Point still stands though.
reply posted on 24-5-2008 @ 11:20 PM by mybigunit
Originally posted by jackinthebox
reply to post by mybigunit
What state was this?
That would be Georgia I believe. I don't think it was a state law though. It was a county, or even a town perhaps in Georgia. Point still stands though.
Umm I think it was in Utah or something like that it might be a town there it was somewhere out west I think it was like 2 years ago when they implemented this and since then there have been no home invasions. Im a firm believer in the second amendment. I personally dont own a gun as of now but am in the market and have been shopping around. But I still feel that if more people were armed we would see less crime. Its kinda like the mutual destruction theory like during the cold war. If everyone in the world had nukes that might end all wars because of mutual destruction. Then again it might end the earth
reply posted on 24-5-2008 @ 11:32 PM by jackinthebox
reply to post by mybigunit
Ask people in some gun loving states if they even know what a car-jacking is, and you're bound to get a few puzzled looks. Then ask some peeps from here in NY and you might get a response like, "# yea, I learned to drive in a car-jack when I was fourteen."
EDIT to add:
Gun crimes are lowest in states and cities with the most relaxed gun restrictions.
[edit on 5/24/0808 by jackinthebox]
Ask people in some gun loving states if they even know what a car-jacking is, and you're bound to get a few puzzled looks. Then ask some peeps from here in NY and you might get a response like, "# yea, I learned to drive in a car-jack when I was fourteen."
EDIT to add:
Gun crimes are lowest in states and cities with the most relaxed gun restrictions.
[edit on 5/24/0808 by jackinthebox]
reply posted on 24-5-2008 @ 11:47 PM by mybigunit
Below is a map of gun control laws in the United States in which the darkest blue states have the most restrictive gun control laws and the white
(uncolored) states have the least restrictive gun control laws.
reply posted on 24-5-2008 @ 11:50 PM by stumason
reply to post by intrepid
And this lady, Magda Pniewska, who was killed after a shoot out in London.
Not to mention the daily accounts of gun crimes we have in the UK:
news.bbc.co.uk...
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The less we have, the better if you ask me.
Although it has to be said, 80% of stabbings and shootings are gang-related and not indicative of a gun less society being preyed upon but rather of stupid thugs, usually young inner city black men, having no regard for human life.
And this lady, Magda Pniewska, who was killed after a shoot out in London.
Not to mention the daily accounts of gun crimes we have in the UK:
news.bbc.co.uk...
news.bbc.co.uk...
news.bbc.co.uk...
news.bbc.co.uk...
The less we have, the better if you ask me.
Although it has to be said, 80% of stabbings and shootings are gang-related and not indicative of a gun less society being preyed upon but rather of stupid thugs, usually young inner city black men, having no regard for human life.
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