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Does NASA remove the stars?

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posted on May, 24 2008 @ 05:02 PM
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A little while ago I downloaded a high res image of ISS taken from the space shuttle. The first thing I usualy do, is zooming and enhancing to see if I can detect some anomalies.

What caught my attention was what, at least to me, looked like stars, but only verry close to, and even visible thrue, the atmosphere. A bit higher there were no stars at all. Just empty space.

Isn't that strange? And if indeed they are stars, why remove them from the image?? If the stars are even visible thrue the MUCH LIGHTER atmosphere, surely they must be visible against a black background. Is it not?

Below are the links to the images, including the original, I am refering to:





And here another one, earth by night:



If they are stars, could it be that NASA removes them to avoid explaining how it was possible that there were no stars in the lunar images taken during the apollo misions?



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posted on May, 24 2008 @ 05:08 PM
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I don't think they are stars. Could be space junk, dust, or something else orbiting, even digital glitches. But stars won't be seen due to the fact that the earth, ISS, or other heavenly body is to bright, causing a fast shutter speed, which is far too fast for the stars to show up in the picture. Same reason as why you cannot see stars in shots taken by the apollo astronauts on the moon.



posted on May, 24 2008 @ 05:11 PM
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You can't see the light from stars in space because there is no atmosphere to scatter or reflect light rays. This is normal.

However, I am not sure if looking through an atmosphere from space allows you to see the stars, I would think some kind of atmosphere would have to be surrounding the lens at least to get that.



posted on May, 24 2008 @ 05:22 PM
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Originally posted by sensfan
I don't think they are stars. Could be space junk, dust, or something else orbiting, even digital glitches. But stars won't be seen due to the fact that the earth, ISS, or other heavenly body is to bright, causing a fast shutter speed, which is far too fast for the stars to show up in the picture. Same reason as why you cannot see stars in shots taken by the apollo astronauts on the moon.



You can't see the light from stars in space because there is no atmosphere to scatter or reflect light rays. This is normal.

However, I am not sure if looking through an atmosphere from space allows you to see the stars, I would think some kind of atmosphere would have to be surrounding the lens at least to get that.


Are you sure?? Look at the link below, and tell me that is "space junk"



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posted on May, 24 2008 @ 05:34 PM
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To the first (first two):
I see white dot's all over the picture. Check the right corner. A lot white dots. Also check above on the space shuttle rudder. There is also one.
So could be a camera white dot problem.

To the third (earth):
Seems to me that this are stars but that here the star background you would see here (earth in the dark) is really cutted away for the purpose to have an art picture with just the earth only.


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posted on May, 24 2008 @ 05:34 PM
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I didn't say it was space junk for certain, I just said it wasn't stars. And that pic, not sure if it is a real picture or not...aren't those "cities at night" pics composites of some sort?



posted on May, 28 2008 @ 07:40 PM
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i don't think its data loss those tend to be square 'holes' in the frame, could well be that its space junk or stars that were removed for aesthetic reasons to clean up the image for use as screensavers, desktop backgrounds etc



posted on Jun, 4 2008 @ 04:25 PM
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Did some more searching, and indeed discovered (googled) some pictures with stars vaguely visible in the background. I guess I jumped the gun a bit to soon.

Thanks for educating, sorry for wastin yer time



posted on Jun, 13 2008 @ 08:38 AM
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Originally posted by ragnarak
You can't see the light from stars in space because there is no atmosphere to scatter or reflect light rays. This is normal.

However, I am not sure if looking through an atmosphere from space allows you to see the stars, I would think some kind of atmosphere would have to be surrounding the lens at least to get that.


This is NOT the reason you can't see stars in some pictures from space. Read "SensFan's" post above yours for the right reason. It all has to do with the brightness of the subject (in this case the Earth) and camera shutter speeds. It's likely that the astronauts who took that picture COULD see stars that the camera did not pick up -- although if they were looking the bright Earth, they may have not seen many.

For example, if I used a camera whose shutter speed was set to take picutes in daylight and tried to take pictures of the night sky, the picture I get would probably not show any stars (except for possibly Sirius or the Planet Venus -- maybe), even on the darkest, starryest of nights.


Originally posted by sensfan
I didn't say it was space junk for certain, I just said it wasn't stars. And that pic, not sure if it is a real picture or not...aren't those "cities at night" pics composites of some sort?

Yes -- The "Earth by Night" image is not a "real" picture but a composite image made up of many pictures and computer art, all put together with something like Photoshop to create a pretty picture, suitable for framing.

That picture certainly uses some real imagery, but it is not itself a real image. I doubt the "outer space" surrounding the Earth shown in that picture is even real.


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posted on Jun, 17 2008 @ 03:00 AM
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One thing i dont get it.

If we cannot see light in space, how come we can see lots of stars in the Hubble/Voyager/etc pics ?



posted on Jun, 24 2008 @ 04:37 PM
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They remove the stars because on the earlier missions you can see many things moving around in orbit. They used to show live video. Just the other day/night I was watching the nasa channel and when the astronaut went to spacewalk you could see the background stars between his arm and helmet for a brief second. then all was black. Facing away from the earth with video you should see what is there not blackness. The video is not live anymore and they black it out so you can not see the .... ufos? satellites? Look for earlier mission videos and you will see the difference. you can see many many stars in those videos, and things moving around above, inside and through our atomosphere. What they are is your best guess. Nasa claims they are frozen bits of ice pushed by retro rocket firing. Then all went black. Interesting eh?



posted on Mar, 30 2009 @ 03:56 PM
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starting in January 2009, I began to notice that the stars looked brighter and there was more of them than there usually is. I then started noticing that the brighter stars were moving in a way that I had never seen. It was like they were swimming through the night sky like a jellyfish. Once I saw them moving,I became almost obsessed with watching them. I would lay out and watch them for hours every night. Then I realized that EVERY star is moving! It's just easier to track the brighter ones,but they are all moving the same weird way. I watched continously, trying to find a pattern in the directions they were moving in, but couldn't. I am a big believer in God and try to read some of the bible every day, so when I saw this, it immediately reminded me af Acts 2:19 when God is speaking of the time of judgement and He says"AND I WILL GRANT WONDERS IN THE SKY ABOVE AND SIGNS ON THE EARTH BELOW, BLOOD, AND FIRE, AND VAPOR OF SMOKE"(New American Standard Bible). Also,the book of Enoch (which isn't in the bible,but should be) could explain what's going on as well. Enoch was Noah's great-grandfather. In Genseis 5:21-24 it says this about Enoch:'21Enoch lived sixty-five years, and became the father of Methuselah. 22Then Enoch walked with God three hundred years after he became the father of Methuselah, and he had other sons and daughters. 23So all the days of Enoch were three hundred and sixty-five years. 24Enoch walked with God; and he was not, for God took him.' In his book Enoch says that while he walked with God, he was shown and explained by the angels all the secrets of heaven and sheol (the abyss,hell). I can't go into the whole book of Enoch here, but if you are interested in reading it for yourself you can read it free at www.sacred-texts.com/bib/boe. I personally believe that a person needs to read AND UNDERSTAND the book of Enoch before he/she can even begin to grasp how things work and God's plan for us.
We are going to focus on the stars here though. Now according to Enoch, stars come forth to earth through portals in heaven. Each individual star by itself, according to their number and their names, their courses and their positions, and their times and their months. Through each of these small portals pass the stars of heaven and run their course to the west on the path which is shown to them and God has appointed. And he calls on them by their name and they hearken unto Him. Each is weighed in a righteous balance according to their proportions of light. And Enoch asked the angel what this mystery was and the angel told him that the stars are the holy who dwelt upon the earth and believe in the name of the Lord of Spirits for ever and ever. It also says that He appoints a judge for each of them so none will hinder. So, basically they have a little bubble that they have to stay in and follow their appointed paths, but they can move all around in that bubble. Now, knowing that stars are the righteous that have been here on earth and worship the Lord day and night, another verse comes to mind that might make sense of things: Revelation 6:9-11 says: 9 When he opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of those who had been slain for the word of God and for the witness they had borne. 10 They cried out with a loud voice, “O Sovereign Lord, holy and true, how long before you will judge and avenge our blood on those who dwell on the earth?” 11 Then they were each given a white robe and told to rest a little longer, until the number of their fellow bondsmen and their brothers should be complete, who were to be killed as they themselves had been. Could it be that the stars moving in the sky is a sign that the souls have awakened and are asking when it will be time? Just a few thoughts to ponder on. Sorry it was so long, but it's hard to speak of a complex subject as this one in only 4000 words. I hope at least someone gains some knowlege from this. Thank you for your time.



posted on Mar, 31 2009 @ 04:18 PM
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They use a longer exposure time. The Hubble often takes pictures with an exposure time of several hours, or even several days. The things it photographs like that are so far away that the parallax created by it's orbit doesn't matter.

You'll notice that your personal camera has an exposure time of just a tiny fraction of a second, and if you have it set to take daylight photos at night, with no flash, you'll not be able to see much of anything, let alone the stars.

The earth, moon, and sun are very bright compared to the stars.




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