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I was. You said that the constitution is nothing but a waste of meaningless paper, so in reply to that reference, I said, "what about money?"
I'd just like to hear a first hand experience if you could share.
I am well informed on the subject. You seem to be evidently suffering from a psychological dissorder as shown through the nature of your pompous "patriotic" replies.
What do you think your money is? The constitution must be changed so that we can keep the world a somewhat peaceful place. As stated earlier. The Earth does not only consist of America. Don't be such a nationalistic egoist. Open your eyes to the whole picture and the betterment of the world and all of its citizens.
And how has any of these "liberties" that have been taken away from you effected you? I'd just like to hear a first hand experience if you could share.
Originally posted by birchtree
If its is a produced (meaning staged) emergency it will be portrayed to be so massive in scale (aliens are attacking, the world is ending, we are moving everyone to a nuc shelter for total war) that in reality it would not matter if they rounded up citizens, but they will still be doing it...that is your clue to f?@&*^% hide.... because there is not a enough man power on that scale or facilities to move and hold an entire population.
Seriously, their not going to nickel and dime families till enough people get wind about the happenings and decide to take up arms. IF its THEY you are talking about, THEY are not going to warn us. Please! think! There are already enough COG, FEMA, and martial law abilities for them to round up people, what makes you think they are going to bother setting a court precedent so THEY can pick you up. Just exactly what is it you are doing people to think THEY are going to want to focus THEIR attention to you, If THEY wanted you THEY would not need to establish some law precedent at the Supreme Court level...THEY would just come get you anyway. Think about it.
On the other hand if we are talking sensibly about case law as it concerns our Constitutional Rights vs the rights of someone who was in the process of Killing more American Families, I think we need to look internally at ourselves and ask.. if this joe did detonate a hydrogen cyanide bomb in a crowded community we would also be discussing our governments inability to protect us and weather or not the government actually did it. CMON draw the line somewhere. We already know that there is good and evil (spiritually or actual) and if your are looking as far as the President and stopping there YOU ARE LOST. On the fore front is where the battle for our Constitution and Bill of RIghts needs to be fought, because in order for it to be circumvented they will need to erode it in front of us and hope we dont take notice or it will take some idiot to say lets do away with this ancient thing and rewrite it (yeah that sounds good....not), not knowing that when it is done away with, there will be no new writing that will take place. That will just be the end.
I think deep down inside I am with most of you, I get what you are trying to say, but in my opinion you are lost. You might have the right fears and be on track with what you think is happening...but you are focusing on the things which are being done and instead of examining how it might erode a portion of our constitution or our God given rights you are turning into this OH MY GOSH vast conspiracy...that if it was going to unfold would not be in our face at the Supreme Court Level........It will be for all to see when it happens...because those plays are being held behind closed doors where we are not going to be able to field a response.
When the Nazis came for the communists,
I remained silent;
I was not a communist.
When they locked up the social democrats,
I remained silent;
I was not a social democrat.
When they came for the trade unionists,
I did not speak out;
I was not a trade unionist.
When they came for the Jews,
I remained silent;
I wasn't a Jew.
When they came for me,
there was no one left to speak out.
Originally posted by jackinthebox
Okay. What about it?
I have many more examples as well.
Nice. Now being patriotic and caring about your country means you have a psychological disorder?
Originally posted by mybigunit
First off the government wont paste our faces on the news? What about the 2 Seattle guys on the ferry who the FBI insisted their names and faces needed to be pasted all over because they might be terrorists and then come to find out they were here on business.
Yes it can happen to you or me and it makes no difference if your last name is Smith or Muhammad.
The government isnt elected to protect us from ourselves you are not right.
The government of a free nation is elected to protect the people from others who would stop people from making their own choices stupid or not.
Franklin's quote needs to be thrown out are you serious? In a free nation if you have to sacrifice your liberty for security then you really do deserve neither. That quote is as straight as they come.
Nationalistic egotist? I live in America and I dont want to be part of one world under one government sorry.
I just forked over $30k to the IRS in income taxes thats the most recent. Income tax is unconstitutional.
Frankly Im a slave now and I dont want to be even more under some NWO policy.
They could start rounding us up before they declare anything and we would not know it was coming until it was too late.
Originally posted by billybob
lemmings are sad...
...and that was just propaganda, too. lemmings don't have mass suicides, unless someone CHASES them off the cliff.
It's a worthless piece of paper saying that you owe money to the government. It actually means nothing, just like the constitution. It is a meaningless piece of paper that controls your life. They are one and the same.
There's something a bit affright about calling anyone with a differing opinion or maybe one that you just don't understand yet, a commie.
Com"mu*nism\, n. [F. communisme, fr. commun common.] A scheme of equalizing the social conditions of life; specifically, a scheme which contemplates the abolition of inequalities in the possession of property, as by distributing all wealth equally to all, or by holding all wealth in common for the equal use and advantage of all.
Note: At different times, and in different countries, various schemes pertaining to socialism in government and the conditions of domestic life, as well as in the distribution of wealth, have been called communism.
-Webster's Revised Unabridged Dictionary
Originally posted by jackinthebox
Not at all the same.
While I agree that fiat currency is indeed worthless, the Constiution certainly is not.
It is the very deifnition of what it means to be an American. If you think that's worthless, then you really are an enemy of all Americans.
Just because it is on paper, does not make it worthless. For example, a dollar may be worthless paper in the overall scheme of things. Not based upon anything of tangible value. But the title to my car is not worthless. It is a piece of paper, but not worthless. It is worth my car.
Having to explain something as simple as that really is making me begin to wonder why I even bother to engage in this discussion with you.
Is this or is this not what you are advocating?