South American leaders launch new alliance

South American leaders launch new alliance

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Brasilia, May 24 (DPA) The representatives of 12 South American countries - including several heads of state - met Friday to launch the region's latest integration mechanism, the Union of South American Nations (Unasur).

Brazilian President Luiz Inacio Lula da Silva said in Brasilia that a united South America could shift the global balance of power.

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I am quite surprised to find that this story has not already been posted here on ATS. I am further surprised that I had to dig as deep as YahooIndia to get an article, after seeing a short brief in my local paper. Why are we not hearing more about this?! With this development, it would certainly seem that a new North American Union may be imminent.

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[edit on 5/24/0808 by jackinthebox]

Hi Jack: I don't think the two things are related. If anything, S. America is trying to protect its self from the U.S. after decades of us meddling in S. America's affairs and politics. They are also talking about forming a S. American military, which makes sense if the U.S. has been screwing with you. I think they are afraid the NAU might try to include S. America, unless they take actions that are in line with their solidarity.

[edit on 24-5-2008 by endrun]

I am all for this, so long as they can contain it to an alliance, a trade deal, and do not form a complete Union to govern them. Their differences are too vast to permit a single government to rule, but joint decisions on transit, resources etc would be very beneficial to them, and would prevent outside nations from causing un-necessary tensions within the alliance.


I must say though, I am surprised they were able to come together like this.

If you will all remember back to March 1st, Colombia violated Ecuador's border in order to go after members of FARC (a rebel militant faction, often described as terrorists).
This violation of border rights created a hostile tension between Colombia, Ecuador, and Venezuela.

March was a remarkable month. Just a week after the tensions arose from this conflict, the countries were back on speaking terms. That is quite the shining example for the rest of the world to learn from.

And now, in May, they're in talks to form a complete alliance!
This is an incredible display of what international relations is all about.

In 3 months, they have gone from being on the verge of a border war... to preparing for a total alliance.

I wish other countries around the world could learn to co-exist this well.

reply to post by endrun


In the article from my local paper, it states that Hugo Chavez specifially stated as much, calling this Union a counterweight to the US.

What concerns me most, is that this new South American Union might be used to trumpet a need for a North American Union if we are to remain competitive and secure.

reply to post by johnsky


Keep in mind that this new union is also slated to include a military force. So this is going to go far beyond a "co-op" sort of organization, which they already have in the Organization of South American States.

I find the lack of attention to this news disturbing. Both in the MSM, and even here on ATS where I thought for sure it would garner more discussion.

It's only a matter of time before the countries of the world give way to larger unions. Don't be so afraid of it, I never understand why there is such feeling against a united world from the US. Is it because you'll cease to be "number 1" and the thought disturbs you that you won't be able to do what you like to everyone now?

reply to post by stumason

Is it because you'll cease to be "number 1" and the thought disturbs you that you won't be able to do what you like to everyone now?

No, it is because the thought disturbs me that we are moving further and further away from our own Constitution, and the result has been that the usurpers have been comitting crimes against humanity in our name. The US is not a nation for the people and by the people, we are a nation of slaves to the corporate system and the international banking elite. These unions only serve to consolidate their power.

Originally posted by stumason
It's only a matter of time before the countries of the world give way to larger unions. Don't be so afraid of it, I never understand why there is such feeling against a united world from the US. Is it because you'll cease to be "number 1" and the thought disturbs you that you won't be able to do what you like to everyone now?

Get off it buddy. What a stupid thing to say. If you want to talk about "doing whatever you like to everyone now" then look at "great" britains past. What a load of **** statement that was. Sure is easy to say such a thing behind your computer screen...

America certainly has its downfalls, and the government just may be one of the worst in the world as of right now, but that is not an indication of the peoples will and desires.

On topic, the union between S. America has been talked about for quite sometime now. I don't believe it is a new thing. We will just have to wait and see what effects it will have on N. America and the rest of the world.

thanks for the info jack

reply to post by abelievingskeptic

On topic, the union between S. America has been talked about for quite sometime now.

Yes, I have heard it talked about from time to time, but never realized how imminent it was. I wake up today, and bam, a whole big chunk of the world is changed. It's like the fall of the Berlin Wall to me, but not in a good way this time.

since the beginning of the independent nations they have talked about it
Simon Bolivar wanted a unified continent down there and only Bolivia walked away with his name-
They are right- a UnaSur country down there would be a major power house in a decade...
the poeple the natural resources the climates....
wow good luck, before it happens it would be easy to squish if the world did not want this...remember Argentina couldn't even keep the UK out of the Falkland Is. and the UK had to go and fight them off what is essential Argentina's front door..

good for them,
I'm trying to do everything I can to protect myself
from this US government as well.

reply to post by josephine


You're missing the point. This plays right into the hands of the people who want to take away the last of your rights and freedoms. This isn't about South America being strong and competitive in world. This is a major move in the consolidation of power by the elites. The same people calling the shots in the Union of South America, will be the same ones calling the shots in the NAU, in Europe, and over the Pan-Asian bloc.

In the final end how many unions do you people think the world will end up. I can see 6 different ones. eu,au,sau,au anzu,meu. I dont know about Japan, South Korea and Israel being seperate and not in a union. We are indeed living in interesting and perhaps dangerous times.

reply to post by abelievingskeptic


Touchy little bugger, aren't you? When did I attempt to defend or excuse anything my country did?

What matters now is the fact that for the past 40 odd years, the USA has been meddling in S. America, overthrowing Governments and installing dictators, and perpetuating poverty through ruthless corporatism (while at the same time working to end the old European empires so they could further expand their corporate control into the former colonies and subjugate the people themselves..oh yes, you did, before you try to deny it....)

You can try and blame this on your Government as much as you like and shirk all responsibility, but at the end of the day, the US people voted them in. Isn't it "Government for the people, by the people?".

It's only right that the S. American nations (and any other nations) should band together. Strength in numbers and all that. Hopefully it should put off the CIA from overthrowing their leaders when they don't suit your "national interest" and installing brutal regimes that result in thousands of deaths. At least when we did it, we did it with some grace and panache.

Oh, another thing, the "Great" in Great Britain has nothing to do with being great, but rather the fact the larger of two islands that make up the British Isles is Greater Britain, with Ireland being the smaller.

Hence why the full name of the UK is the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland and prior to Irish independence it was the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland.

So, in your words, "get off it". I'd quite happily say these things to your face too, it just so happens the medium we are both using is a computer screen, so I can hardly have that held against me, can I?

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Isn't it "Government for the people, by the people?".

Not really no. We were supposed to be a Republic, but that hasn't been the case for a very long time either. National elections have been run by the CIA since JFK was asassinated.

What you are failing to see here is that this Union of South America is another black op!

reply to post by jackinthebox


How so?

A good portion of S. American governments are pretty anti-USA right now as a result of a tide of socialist election victories. I was under the strong impression that over the past few years, the USA took it's eye off the ball and now S. America is firmly out of the USA's grasp. Or are you still trying to claim control over the continent?

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The USA as we know it is being deliberatley driven into extinction to pave the way for the NAU, and is just a tool now for the same people who are about to bring you huge energy shortages, mass starvation, and WWIII.

EDIT to add: And, as I have stated, the American people have not been in charge of their own government for quite some time.



[edit on 5/24/0808 by jackinthebox]

The USA as we know it is being deliberatley driven into extinction to pave the way for the NAU, and is just a tool now for the same people who are about to bring you huge energy shortages, mass starvation, and WWIII.

And what purpose would that serve? It would collapse the very system that sustains their way of life. Rich people, in the event of energy shortages, starvation and WW3 would suffer just as badly as the rest of us, especially if they keep to themselves what they deny us.

The whole concept of some evil NWO taking over the world stems from Americans. I've hardly met anyone outside the US who subscribes to the same fear mongering views of globalisation as those that are touted from inside America. Hence why I believe that the fear comes from a realisation that you will cease to hold you dominant position and be forced to deal with people on equal terms.

EDIT to add: And, as I have stated, the American people have not been in charge of their own government for quite some time.

And whose fault is that?