Originally posted by Zaphod58
So being the nice guy is sucking up to women and is a routine? WTF. So apparently I'm just pretending to be nice when I do those things huh? You know, there are some of us raised when that was showing RESPECT to women.

It's a routine when guys say "but don't want to be [intimate] with me" or "always just friends" [opposed to lovers]. That is not respect .. it's obvious by the context they're only being nice in an attempt to get sex. Being nice does not obligate a woman to get romantically involved with someone.. and women are NOT opposed to men with good manners. Thats a BS myth some men made up to make women sound like they're being unfair and shallow because they reject romantic advances.

Maybe if she were actually sexually attracted to him in the first place he might actually stand a chance and not whine about how women hate nice guys. Pulling out a chair or opening a door and being really nice does NOT compensate for lack of charisma or chemistry.. in fact when it's layed on too thick it's kind of creepy.

[edit on 8-6-2008 by riley]

And it's a sad state of affairs that it's true. I do things like open doors, and pull out chairs because it's the right and polite thing to do. I guess I'm part of a dead generation huh? I'm probably one of the few left that does it for no reason other than to be polite, which depresses the hell out of me.

[edit on 8/6/08 by Critical]

Originally posted by kattraxx

Sleuth, so well put, you've really left me nothing to say.
These guys are simply projecting their own negative feelings outward onto everyone but themselves. And blaming women for their own behaviors

Im sure these guys have low self esteem so they have to blame other people for their feelings to raise it. Thats probably why their so self absorbed.

Originally posted by kattraxx

The kicker is, if you asked those guys what type of woman they're looking for, I'd bet my house they'd describe a super model! Do you think any one of them would accept their "equal". Ha!

I dissagree. They would like a super model but would probably accept someone lower than themselves, due to their low self esteem.

BTW i only watched the third video.

In the last video, the guy has a pretty good handle on the rise of women's power and I think he's right that it will backfire eventually, but his problem is that he dwells too much on the big picture.

The other two guys were too whiny from the get go, so I just clicked off the videos.

The problem with all three is that they haven't yet conquered loneliness and learned to be completely objective about the world.

Guy three is well on his way to really understanding things as they are, but he's light years away from how to deal with it.

Any man worth his salt is never lonely. A real man needs no one to be happy.

Not all women are like the ones he describes and they are out there and available. If he can't find them, too bad. If he finds one and she turns into a borderline personality case, too bad. Move on.

According to the first guy there are "...thousands of hundreds of thousands. If not MILLIONS of guys forced into loneliness that is trying my very best to get to light on what being forced to live this life is like...," whatever that means.

My advice for these guys is to grow up and get a life.

If you do that there will be plenty of women who will want a piece of the action.

Even better advice is to learn to live with yourself and to be happy with that. Even that attracts some women, but the main point is to require no one else to make you happy.

Solitude is a gift that only the truly blessed fully appreciate.

These dudes problems are that they are not happy with themselves. I don't think their problem would be solved if they had a woman, they just think it would. Their problems start from within. A previous poster hit the nail on the head....if you can't look at yourself, be honest with yourself, and respect yourself, how can you expect anyone else to? To the giant dude in the red koolaid suit in the video...if he really cared about himself, he would realize his current physical condition is not healthy and he would go to the gym and better himself. Women are attracted to guys that are in charge of their own lives and have everything under control...as well as their sincerity and kindness. Maybe them not having a significant other is natures way of telling them that they are not ready for one because they can't care for themselves properly.

Pardon me but their self-esteem is showing. Could someone kindly cover it up? It's embarassing.

Honestly, I've dated guys that were not cute, that were not athletic, not wealthy, drove cars that belched smoke, etc. None that were fat, though. To me, morbidly obese (I don't mean pudgy) says: I don't care if you find me attractive. I don't care if I let myself go. I don't care if I'm unhealthy, uncomfortable, sweating in 50 degree weather. I don't care about anything. I have no ambition, dreams, aspirations or inclination to wedge my fat arse off the couch and stop shoving fritos in my face long enough to do something with my life.

These guys are major maintenance projects and if they ever do meet a girl that wants them, they'll have even less self-esteem than the guys.

"Nice" is a start. Comfortable with yourself is a big plus. Healthy self-esteem (not exaggerated narcissism) is a turn on. Whinning makes my eyes twitch. Yes, there are plenty of nice guys out there that aren't emos and if they're not living in their mothers basement I give them the time of day.

The guys in the videos forced lonliness on themselves and made my eyes twitch.

Chicks like gay dudes. Thats pretty much what the females on this thread are explaining the ideal man to be. A confident gay dude. If youre totally confident when talking to a girl you think is hot then you are gay. Its kind of backwards isnt it? The way chicks dig confidence. Some girls like it when you call them a fat whales penis and tell them to #@!$ off. WTH?

Dont take this post too seriously.

[edit on 10/6/08 by Critical]

TFL = LTD "long term depression" + "negative Ego".

Major Depression:

Definitions:
1. a mental disorder characterized by sustained depression of mood, anhedonia, sleep and appetite disturbances, and feelings of worthlessness, guilt, and hopelessness. Diagnostic criteria for a major depressive episode (DSM-IV) include a depressed mood, a marked reduction of interest or pleasure in virtually all activities, or both, lasting for at least 2 weeks. In addition, 3 or more of the following must be present: gain or loss of weight, increased or decreased sleep, increased or decreased level of psychomotor activity, fatigue, feelings of guilt or worthlessness, diminished ability to concentrate, and recurring thoughts of death or suicide.

The Cause Of Our Negative Ego:

"Our negative Ego, is a product of our fear that we are not good enough, which manifests itself as our attempt to live up to society's predefined image, instead of simply being who we are."

We can achieve society's predefined image to a degree, but achieving society's predefined image is a waste of time, because society's predefined image is not who we are.

How can we be who we are, when we pretended to be who society, at whatever level we choose to exist, wants us to be.

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In short what we are seeing is Major Depression & Negative Ego formed from year of rejection. Due to society's predefined image.

Society's predefined image: (AKA) They don't look like the people on TV or how you do. So you Base,Make fun of and reject them only to inflate your own ego and drive there's father into the Negative.

..just watched charming, empathises-with-serial-killers-and-rapists "bill" again. He harps on about true forced loneliness yet he argues that violence, rape and murder of women stems from sexual rejection.. almost like he's trying to incite it.

This is now a "movement" where he actually has followers .. more like a bowel movement.

[edit on 24-6-2008 by riley]

Wow those dudes were pathetic,wallowing in their own self pity,I would think a woman would be more attracted to a man that had self confidence and didn't whine like a little girly,geeze you strike out move on to someone else,everytime your rejected learn from your mistake and pretty soon you'll have your game on,worked for me,I was always playing sports not many chicks played on boys team so I had to learn for myself,these losers are expecting ladys to flock to them,geeze try cleaning up your apartment,take better care of your personal appearance,learn to speak in a proper manner,heck now I have them trippin over their walking canes lol

Only one video was still working since I didn't see the thread the first time around. Sounded like a bunch of mindless nonsense.

But this quote from the OP concerns me:

Originally posted by FL2008
Do you suffer from it? You may. 1 and 10 men will nevr find a partner in their lives. You can blame the Cia, Illumanati and Feminism for that.

Why is it that women internalize rejection and blame themselves while so many men externalize the rejection? My favorite is, 'I asked her out but she said no. She must be a lesbian.'

The CIA/Illuminati is definitely a first, though. I'll be sure to use this one as a gentle let down next time.

'I'm really into you but due to some insidious Illuminati plots, our love simply cannot be. It's not you. It's the Illuminati.'

And I thought, 'Sorry. Married,' was easy.

I had forgotten about posting on here

I have a revised comment.

First off, I don't know why I made the nwo comment, but perhaps the answer to that was on the 2 missing videos.

Anyways..where is the evidence, that this was the cia ?

"You can blame the Cia, Illumanati and Feminism for that. Here are some videos to get you educated on the subject. "

Since nobody mentioned anything about the cia, illuminati or feminism being responsible for this, it must not have been on any of the videos at all, and was just thrown in there as spin.

I have to agree with most of the posters, that this was more likely self inflicted. Society may contribute a bit to some of this, but the truth is, they haven't yet learned to cope. Maybe they're just in a rut and need to move or just get active in other areas instead of feeding the pity party.

[edit on 18-11-2008 by toasted]