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Why are Atheists...Atheists?

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posted on May, 28 2008 @ 06:37 PM
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This is one of the most intelligent takes on atheism that I've seen thus far. I was actually raised as a devout Christian, but through "academia" and a college degree in biology, would now consider myself an agnostic, or "codependent atheist" (lol). I am not the traditional agnostic, because I was raised on faith, the bible, and belief in reward or punishment after death. I know others like yourself, who do not subscribe to a specific faith or religious label, but who still try and "convert" those around them. It's nice to know that not everyone who considers themselves "spiritual" thrives on the debating and arguing that almost always exists between people of these opposing views. I agree that the existence or non-existence of a "God" cannot be proven or disproven, which puts me in the category of "agnostic." Thanks for your post, it's very refreshing to someone who constantly feels as though they have to "defend" a "non-belief" in something....or nothing.




posted on May, 28 2008 @ 07:19 PM
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Thank you! I think that you are the only person who complimented me on it, many thanks! If others did and I missed it, I'm sorry.

It is freedom to believe how we want to believe and then have the choice to change our mind if it no longer works. It is great not having any living God - human, or organization, to dictate to us how to think and believe. For me, it opened all kinds of doors.



posted on May, 28 2008 @ 07:44 PM
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Originally posted by MatrixProphet
It is no wonder the atheists cannot overall; differentiate between God and religion. Can we blame them?

There are many more points, but these are the ones that stand out.


Your claims are baseless.

Religion and God are inter-related. Religion and Bible are inter-related. God and Bible are inter-related.

You're just afraid to let go of religion and let go of God so these are your own projections. In no way do you speak for all athiests nor do you represent the term athiest correctly if you indeed claim to be one.

This is actually another one of the most unintellectual posts I've seen recently, but birds of a feather flock together.

There is no God and there is no religion. There is no God outside of religion and there is no religious God. The only God that exists is ironically the one that doesn't, the metaphysical entity that is eternally invisible and unknowable, yet we must have faith. This is academic garbage. If you're going to make claims that the athiest can't differentiate between God and religion then at least provide proof for such otherwise take your arguments somewhere else that is undereducated or keep it in a church.

[edit on 28-5-2008 by LastOutfiniteVoiceEternal]



posted on May, 28 2008 @ 10:16 PM
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Your claims are baseless.

Religion and God are inter-related. Religion and Bible are inter-related. God and Bible are inter-related.


Based on what? Personal opinion? What proof do you have? What other experience do you have to qualify this? Man can be held accountable for much of what you are saying. What experience do you have telling you otherwise?

Please qualify!

[edit on 28-5-2008 by MatrixProphet]



posted on May, 28 2008 @ 10:19 PM
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I guess that makes me more of an agnostic with atheist tendencies. I'm not 100% sure on everything like many atheists tout, but it's going to take more than handing me a book and telling me to have faith.


You are right, it takes a lot more than that!



posted on May, 28 2008 @ 10:31 PM
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Originally posted by LastOutfiniteVoiceEternal
Religion and God are inter-related. Religion and Bible are inter-related. God and Bible are inter-related.



Based on what? Personal opinion?


Based on the fact that God is in the Bible, the Bible is supposedly FROM God (in most ALL major world religions) and that religions are formed around this and it forms around religions!


What proof do you have? What other experience do you have to qualify this?


Read above. I live on the planet Earth. That's my experience. It's pretty simple to corrolate.


Man can be held accountable for much of what you are saying. What experience do you have telling you otherwise?


Well, yeah. I'm a man and I'm telling you this. I don't see what you want me to explain to you here.


Please qualify!


Actually this isn't a reverse psychology course. You're the one making the claims that Athiests can't differentiate between God and religion. It's up to you to clarify.

And there's no such thing as an agnostic athiest. You're either a thiest or an athiest. There is no in between.

2+2=4. If you're confused about it being either 5 or 3 or some other numeral, then you're not a mathematician, get it?

These are quite simple concepts we're dealing with here people.

[edit on 28-5-2008 by LastOutfiniteVoiceEternal]



posted on May, 28 2008 @ 11:34 PM
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Based on the fact that God is in the Bible, the Bible is supposedly FROM God (in most ALL major world religions) and that religions are formed around this and it forms around religions!


You disqualified yourself by using supposedly. You admitted that it was theoretical!

80% of the world does not even believe that Jesus existed. Most Buddhists and native Americans believe that there was a man that related to the spirit of a Christ like figure, but never went by Christ. Most outside of Christianity used it as a title - "Christos" a spiritual meaning for spiritual teachers, it was not considered a name, and this concept came from ancient Greece.

As far as the Bible is concerned I have my thinking on it. Go here:
www.abovetopsecret.com...



posted on May, 29 2008 @ 01:47 AM
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Originally posted by MatrixProphet
reply to post by LastOutfiniteVoiceEternal
 

Based on the fact that God is in the Bible, the Bible is supposedly FROM God (in most ALL major world religions) and that religions are formed around this and it forms around religions!



You disqualified yourself by using supposedly. You admitted that it was theoretical!


Wow, you're a real genius. (sarcasm) Slow down and understand hot shot. I said supposedly because God doesn't exist. Therefore it's merely a supposition.


sup·pose
–verb (used with object) 1. to assume (something), as for the sake of argument or as part of a proposition or theory: Suppose the distance to be one mile.


As for the sake of theoretical and fictitious and figmental argument. Not corporeal tangibility. As I said, God doesn't exist. Maybe you forgot my stance already? Alzheimers? Remember? I don't believe in God, so I used the word supposedly to initiate and create a theoretical scenerio involving a metaphysically, subjectively delusional within the minds of those who believe in it, invisible diety that doesn't and never did exist.


80% of the world does not even believe that Jesus existed.


Don't know where you get your facts. You're clearly not from this world. There's billions of Christians and Catholics. There's only a population of roughly 6.5 billion on the planet. Do the math. All Christians believe in Christ. Some who aren't Christian still personally acknowledge or believe that Christ existed.

Below is NOT a Christendom; that is including orthodoxes the world over, the Catholic Church, even some paganism and more. It is only those who are of the Christian religion or contain Christian nomenclature in the label of their faith.


------------------------Christian--Muslim
1900 world population 26.9% ---12.4%
1980 world population 30% ---16.5%
2000 world population 29.9% ---19.2%
2025 world population (PROJECTED) 25% ---30%


muslim-canada.org...

That's over 25% of the world's population that ARE Christians, not including those that might believe that the man Jesus existed. If we subtract 25 from 100 we arrive at 75% of possible people not believing in Christ, not 80 and not more than 80.

Why can't YOU do your own research and use YOUR own mind? I don't understand why I have to be everyone's teacher.

[edit on 29-5-2008 by LastOutfiniteVoiceEternal]



posted on May, 29 2008 @ 02:02 AM
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Originally posted by LastOutfiniteVoiceEternal


There are many more points, but these are the ones that stand out. -matrix prophet





Your claims are baseless.

Religion and God are inter-related. Religion and Bible are inter-related. God and Bible are inter-related.

You're just afraid to let go of religion and let go of God so these are your own projections. In no way do you speak for all athiests nor do you represent the term athiest correctly if you indeed claim to be one.

This is actually another one of the most unintellectual posts I've seen recently, but birds of a feather flock together.

There is no God outside of religion and there is no religious God. The only God that exists is ironically the one that doesn't, the metaphysical entity that is eternally invisible and unknowable, yet we must have faith. This is academic garbage.
[edit on 28-5-2008 by LastOutfiniteVoiceEternal]




This is actually another one of the most unintellectual posts I've seen recently, .


Naah, it isn't that it is unintellectual, it's just over your head.


but birds of a feather flock together


That didn't stop you from flocking here did it.




There is no God and there is no religion.


There IS a God and their are lots of religions.




If you're going to make claims that the athiest can't differentiate between God and religion then at least provide proof for such otherwise take your arguments somewhere else that is undereducated or keep it in a church.


Hey guy, she can say and do whatever is allowed for her so if you don't like it or it isn't up to your staggering intellect and your over exagerated opinion of yourself, then don't be a hipocrite ,,,

Leave.

- Con



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posted on May, 29 2008 @ 02:20 AM
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Originally posted by Conspiriology
Naah, it isn't that it is unintellectual, it's just over your head.


I'm so far over your head that I'm under you, so that may be true.


That didn't stop you from flocking here did it.


Nope. We're all Human and we're all sentient and able to create technology. We're a bird of the same feather, though I was in reference, before you derail the true meaning of the quotation, to the person who gave a star and to the poster that replied at the top of the page.


There IS a God and their are lots of religions.


As I have proven 2 pages back, if you wish to bring up the argument again that you and your tag team partner deplorably failed at, there is NO God. I will agree that there is religion, but this religion is a mass of mindless, brainless, illogical sheep that worship something that they can't explain, rather than experience something that is very real for all of us that we can all explain; life, physicality, carnality. Not metaphysical and not invisible, very real and very here. Both good and evil, both wrong and right, both moral and immoral.


Hey guy, she can say and do whatever is allowed for her so if you don't like it or it isn't up to your staggering intellect and your over exagerated opinion of yourself, then don't be a hipocrite.


Name of Thread. Why are Athiests, Athiest? You AND her are showing why. Because we are more intellectual and more strong. Our genus of the species is the future, yours will die out from either killing itself through stupidity or sacrificing itself to God.


Leave.


This website's motto is deny ignorance. That's what I'm doing. I'll be here as long as this thread continues. Keep it in a church.

[edit on 29-5-2008 by LastOutfiniteVoiceEternal]



posted on May, 29 2008 @ 02:29 AM
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Atheists don't believe in any gods or deities...still, you can't lump all Atheists together, like you cannot lump all Christians or Muslims together. They often have different opinions and ideologies between themselves.



posted on May, 29 2008 @ 02:32 AM
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Originally posted by laiguana
Atheists don't believe in any gods or deities...still, you can't lump all Atheists together, like you cannot lump all Christians or Muslims together. They often have different opinions and ideologies between themselves.


And that's exactly what eventually leads them to Athiesm




posted on May, 29 2008 @ 02:41 AM
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Originally posted by weedwhacker


Dude, take your nastiness somewhere else.


I tell you what, I will if you will "dude"
Always amuses me to see someone getting upset about nastiness just after they tell you how hated you are.


'Extremophile' is listed at Wikipedia....did you bother to look it up? Or do you hope that your diatribe will go unnoticed???


No, unlike you, WoodWhaker, I am already quite familiar with it and didn't have to use wiki but thanks for your referance nevertheless.



Yes....I still stand by the last part of what I wrote....religion is dangerous...."Organized" religion is dangerous. They are totalitarian, mostly....not all, but most.


Haters like you are far worse.



"If you don't believe as the rest of us do, you are a heretic, and must be put to death"

Galileo was sentenced to house arrest for daring to use science!! To suggest that the Earth wasn't the center of the Universe?!? Blasphemy!!!

And this, in the name of a "christian" god?? Ludicrous, immature and idiotic.


I know many Atheists who have done far worse.



Most religions are a system to control, couched in a fear-based litany of services and rites....and the ever-present boogeyman.....HELL! And 'eternal damnation'!!!


How the hell would you know, you don't have an impartial bone in your damned body weedy so spare us you hate filled biased opinions because YOU don't know what the hell you're talking about .



Bull. It is nothing more than organized mind-control.


Yeah right, must be why you were always wearing your tin foil hat in Church eh.




There....got MY diatribe off my chest. I'd thank you, Con, to not attempt to ridicule me in the future....makes you look very childish.


Awe I'm all broken up about that weed.

- Con



posted on May, 29 2008 @ 03:07 AM
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Originally posted by LastOutfiniteVoiceEternal
There IS a God and their are lots of religions.



As I have proven 2 pages back, if you wish to bring up the argument again that you and your tag team partner deplorably failed at, there is NO God.


You haven't proven jack squat guy, all you have proven is you are like every other arrogant egotistical pseudo intellectual atheist who speaks in riddles of circumlocution. You don't impress me with your opinions you don't boggle the mind with your "one with the universe metaphysical mumbo jumbo. Your penchant to be argumentative doesn't desplay any skill to argue, you're just fond of your opinion but your opinion has only been backed up by your calling us "mindless" "brainless" "illogical" etc,.

Then you think anyone would care to listen to you?

HA HA HA you talk about OUR logic?




Name of Thread. Why are Athiests, Athiest? You AND her are showing why. Because we are more intellectual and more strong. Our genus of the species is the future,



All YOU are is a stuffed shirt know it all who doesnt know jack. You aren't a genius you're a narcisist. Got it?




This website's motto is deny ignorance. That's what I'm doing. I'll be here as long as this thread continues. Keep it in a church.


So be it , and

No.



[edit on 29-5-2008 by Conspiriology]



posted on May, 29 2008 @ 03:15 AM
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originally posted by whacker
Galileo was sentenced to house arrest for daring to use science!! To suggest that the Earth wasn't the center of the Universe?!? Blasphemy!!!


Makes a nice bedtime story for atheists weedwhacker.

In fact the Church founded science. the scientific method was invented by a Monk Francis Bacon. Galileo got in trouble for lying in open court. Galileo taught Copernicanism - which was highly debated issue among the scientists of the time - not just with the church. Galieo was asked by the Church autority too not teach it - no threats - he agreed to it. He signed an agreement. Then a new Pope came into power and he thought he could violate his contract. When he was caught and accused of heresey for teaching it - he pretended like he had never made the agreement. Then they found it and he was busted for lying.

So weedwhacker is your argument that Science == dishonesty? I strongly disagree. Maybe you are just ignorant of history then? He was punished for dishonesty.



In 1633 Galileo returned to Rome, where he was again treated with respect. He might have prevailed in his trial, but during the investigation someone found Cardinal Bellarmine's notes in the files. Galileo had not told the Inquisition—actually he had not told anyone—of his previous agreement not to teach or advocate Copernicanism. Now Galileo was viewed as having deceived the church as well as having failed to live up to his agreements. Even his church sympathizers, and there were several, found it difficult to defend him at this point.

But they did advise him to acknowledge that he had promoted Copernicanism in violation of his pact with Bellarmine, and to show contrition. Incredibly Galileo appeared before the Inquisition and maintained that his Dialogue did not constitute a defense of heliocentrism. "I have neither maintained or defended in that book the opinion that the earth moves and that the sun is stationary but have rather demonstrated the opposite of the Copernican opinion and shown that the arguments of Copernicus are weak and not conclusive.”

Contrary to what some atheist propagandists have said, Galileo was never charged with heresy, and he was never placed in a dungeon or tortured in any way. After he recanted Galileo was released into the custody of the archbishop of Siena, who housed him for five months in his magnificent palace. Then he was permitted to return to his villa in Florence. Although technically under house arrest, he was able to visit his daughters at the convent of San Matteo. The church also permitted him to continue his scientific work on matters unrelated to heliocentrism, and he published important research during this period. Galileo died of natural causes in 1642. It was during subsequent decades, Kuhn reports, that newer and stronger evidence for the heliocentric theory emerged, and scientific opinion, divided in Galileo's time, became the consensus that we share today.
Galileo


[edit on 5/29/2008 by Bigwhammy]



posted on May, 29 2008 @ 03:27 AM
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Originally posted by LastOutfiniteVoiceEternal
Name of Thread. Why are Athiests, Athiest? You AND her are showing why. Because we are more intellectual and more strong. Our genus of the species is the future,


A little FYI because you act so superior oh great eternal master...


You are irrelevant.

I quit debating you because I do not even consider you an atheist. You are the Universe. You can create a living animal. That's called psychosis not atheism.



posted on May, 29 2008 @ 03:39 AM
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Originally posted by Conspiriology
You haven't proven jack squat guy, all you have proven is you are like every other arrogant egotistical pseudo intellectual atheist who speaks in riddles of circumlocution.


No. That's your angry opinion. My logic is immune to the incantatories of God and organized religion. I am a living pedagog, you sir are an example of forfeited state of intellect. No, sir; I don't use "circumlocution". I'm simply a genius and you don't have the ambition to manifest such so you use the power and the verbiage of the stupid to defend yourself (circumlocute). All you colorlessly spout with that statement is envy and jealousy of my pedantic character. You've deteriorated into insults and direct character attacks. Congratulations: the surest sign of religious desparity. This means your membrane is cracking. We're making progress.


You don't impress me with your opinions


I rarely have opinions, sir (if never). I deal with fact and observation.


you don't boggle the mind with your "one with the universe metaphysical mumbo jumbo.


Actually, sir. It's not metaphysical and it's true. Your perception is too myopic to perceive it. You're too egotistical to recognize it. You're higher than the universe and seperate from it, right? Your body happens to exist in some extradimensional, unearthly, superphysical and universe transcending domain. Right? And you're calling me metaphysical? It hardly applies. If anything it applies to you and your narrow view of the physical, where you think you are for some reason segregated. Would you like to prove to me how and why YOU are not one (interconnected) with the universe, sir?

Being One WITH the universe merely means that you are physical, and clearly explains that you are NOT metaphysical. Is this all new to you?


Your penchant to be argumentative doesn't desplay any skill to argue,


Sir, I don't want to argue. I just want you to calm down and understand the truth that I am presenting and the fallicy that you eskewingly espouse through your phlogistic emotional posture. Intellectual emotion is brilliant. Impulsive egotistical emotion is retardation of intellectual growth. Patience. Self control, sir.


you're just fond of your opinion but your opinion has only been backed up by your calling us "mindless" "brainless" "illogical" etc,.


No, sir. That's a fact, and so is my supposed "opinion" that you continue to allude to.


Then you think anyone would care to listen to you?


I don't care if you listen or not. Everyone will have it ultimately.


HA HA HA you talk about OUR logic?


Yes.


All YOU are is a stuffed shirt know it all who doesnt know jack. You aren't a genius you're a narcisist. Got it?


If you really want me to efficaciously replicate interlocutively to something you say, at least have something to say of verifiable substance instead of name calling associated with bad attitude. When I call you illogical and brainless (as a figure of speech, of course you have a brain), it's because you are, sir. You demonstrate this behaviour.

You can't explain your God, yet you believe in it. That's called ignorant and gullible. When you irrefutably explain your God, then I'll go to church and hold your hand. That's a literal promise.


So be it, and No.


Well, you have two choices: you're either a genius iconoclast(become a Human Being) and you use logic and verifiable proof or you're a cantankerous warrior of the superphysical.

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posted on May, 29 2008 @ 03:46 AM
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80% of the world does not even believe that Jesus existed


I would really like to see the source of that.

Last I checked 1/3 of the world is Christian.

And Islam acknowledges him as a prophet.

Please back up your claim with facts Matrix.



posted on May, 29 2008 @ 03:55 AM
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Originally posted by Bigwhammy
A little FYI because you act so superior oh great eternal master...


It's not an act, sir. What you are experiencing is a superior intellect. You can't handle it so you quiver up in the corner and call names. That's an observance, not an attack. Remember all your attacks on me a few pages back when you couldn't prove God and then rendered him and his morals immiscible to the neither moral or immoral universe?


You are irrelevant.


Yes, and so are you. Good, you're coming around to it. Why do you think you're relevent? You live for apporximately 30,635 days of agony filled stupidity and ignorant bliss until your chromatin starts failing to reproduce and your macromolocules discontinue to be packaged because of what? Do you know?

Ah, more religious desparity. Character insults (as intended by you, to me it is simply a logical phrase). I'm sure God would love this. Wait, why would he care? As stated by you the universe is neither moral or immoral. God must be loving it upstairs playing Chess with Lucifer laughing his ass off at this joke he has played on all of us.
Damn- check-mate. Sound familiar?


I quit debating you because I do not even consider you an atheist.


I surely don't believe in God, sir, and I made that well known. So either you're confused or you're lying. I don't care what you consider me, it means absolutely nothing; it's another one of your opinions, not a fact (like your invisible God).

This is all that matters.


a·the·ist
n. One who disbelieves or denies the existence of God or gods.


(courtesy of dictionary.com, in case you ever need a ready online reference)


You are the Universe. You can create a living animal. That's called psychosis not atheism.


No, sir. That's called science, logic, and philosophy together. On top of that, I happen to be Atheist because of those things.

Psychosis is believing in the jewish zombie that died for your sins and his Father in Heaven. In fact, you may have paranoia type schizophrenia and split personality dissorder... Jesus passed his mental illnes onto all of his believers.

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posted on May, 29 2008 @ 04:42 AM
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Sir, you are an embrassment to atheists.


I am a real atheist, a real scientist and a member of the Bights.
You do not meet the minimum standard level of rationality for bright membership. Consider another philosophical title like Starship Commander.

Please seek counseling.



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