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God's Holy Day Plan (truth about easter, christmas, sunday worship)

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posted on May, 23 2008 @ 10:40 AM
Here is a topic I think you should really pay attention to. I am getting this info from the booklet "Holidays or Holy Days: Does it Matter Which Days we Observe?"

Crucial Questions
Many people are shocked to discover the origins of our most popular religious holidays . They are also surprised to find that the days God commands us to observe in the Bible-the same days Jesus Christ and the apostles kept-are almost universally ignored. Why? Also, why are today's supposedly Christian holidays observed with so many rituals and customs that are not sanctioned anywhere in the Bible? In this booklet you'll discover detailed answers these questions.
We pride ourselves on being rational, thinking people. We think of ourselves as up to date in our thoughts and actions. We try to have good reasons for everything we do.

Why, then, do we do some of the things we do?

Consider, for example, Christmas. Why do we pretend that a jolly old man in a red suit who lives at the north pole rides around in a sleigh pulled by flying reindeer and drops down chimneys to leave toys (made by elves) for good boys and girls on one night of the year?

Then, at Easter, why do we pretend that rabbits lay brightly colored eggs?

Ask yourself: Do these myths and customs make any sense? Yet we persist in perpetuating them to our children. Oddly enough, we also attach great religious significance to some of these practices. Many are integral parts of celebrating the most sacred days of traditional Christianity.

Why do so many professing Christians, seeking to follow the One who said "I am the light of the world" and "He who follows Me shall not walk in darkness" (John 8:12), perpetuate such strange customs whose origins come not from the Bible but from the dark, dim mists of antiquity?

It's not that the origins of such customs cannot be determined. Often, around the time of these holidays, newspapers and television shows describe the origins of some of these practices. Encyclopedias and other books often help paint a picture of the passing of these customs down to us from ancient cultures.

All too often the picture isn't a pretty one.

After all, what do a bearded man in a red suit, brightly decorated trees, mistletoe, holly and candles have to do with the birth of Jesus Christ? Why is Dec. 25 assumed to be the day of His birth when the Bible itself nowhere gives the actual date and, in fact, gives many good reasons to show Jesus could not have been born at that time of year?

These are crucial questions.


[edit on 5/23/2008 by Locoman8]

posted on May, 23 2008 @ 10:43 AM

The true worship of God
Worshiping God is the most honorable endeavor any human being can undertake. Some 3,000 years ago King David of Israel, on the joyous occasion of bringing the ark of God to Jerusalem, wrote a psalm of praise and instruction for his people. His words included: "Give to the Lord the glory due His name; bring an offering, and come before Him. Oh, worship the Lord in the beauty of holiness!" (1 Chronicles 16:29).

David gave this instruction because God alone embodies perfect holiness (Psalm 99:5, 9; Revelation 15:4). Part of the reason for our existence is to worship Him forever (Psalm 22:27; 86:9). The Bible reveals no future for people who refuse to honor their Creator. Indeed, He says that eventually "all flesh shall come to worship before Me" (Isaiah 66:23).

Jesus Christ adds that "true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth" (John 4:23-24, emphasis added throughout). He warns that some will worship God in vain, because their practices are rooted in mankind's traditions and edicts rather than biblical truth. He labels such worship unacceptable and hypocritical, saying such people "draw near to Me with their mouth, and honor Me with their lips, but their heart is far from Me" (Matthew 15:7-9; Mark 7:6-9).

Given these biblical statements and instructions, does it matter which days we keep? Our world is filled with religious celebrations. Among the most popular are Christmas and Easter. Christmas is so popular that it is celebrated throughout the world and forms the basis for a significant portion of the worldwide economy. Many consider Easter to be just as important as Christmas.

But where did Christmas and Easter really come from? The Bible doesn't mention these festivals, yet they are an integral part of the Christian mainstream. Why are these celebrations so popular?

What does God think?
Most important, what does God say about such customs? Does He allow us to worship Him however and whenever we see fit? Does the Bible tell us whether God expects Christians to worship Him on specific days and at specific times? What can we learn from the example of Jesus Christ, in whose footsteps God expects us to follow? (1 John 2:6; 1 Corinthians 11:1).

In contrast to the popularly celebrated holidays, the Bible informs us of specific days of worship —God's annual "feasts" (Leviticus 23:1-2) —that are unknown to most people. How does one decide which to keep?

In the pages that follow, we will compare these observances with the instructions about worship found in the Bible.

These are crucial matters with far-reaching implications for our relationship with our Creator. Join us as we embark on a historical and biblical journey to discover the truth about holidays and Holy Days. The facts you will learn in this booklet will open up a much greater opportunity for true worship than you ever thought possible.


[edit on 5/23/2008 by Locoman8]

posted on May, 23 2008 @ 10:46 AM

Christmas: The Untold Story
People almost everywhere observe Christmas. But how did Christmas come to be observed? How did the customs and practices associated with Christmas make their way into traditional Christianity's most popular holiday?

Did you know Dec. 25 has a checkered past, a long and contentious history? This should come as no surprise given that Christmas and many of its popular customs and trappings are nowhere found in the Bible.

Our Creator's view of this popular holiday is ignored or not even considered by most people. Yet His perspective should be our main consideration. Let's examine the history of Christmas and compare it with God's Word, rather than our own ideas and experiences, to discover His opinion regarding this almost-universal holiday.

Historians tell us the Christmas celebration came from questionable origins. William Walsh (1854-1919) summarizes the holiday's origins and practices in his book The Story of Santa Klaus: "We remember that the Christmas festival ... is a gradual evolution from times that long antedated the Christian period ... It was overlaid upon heathen festivals, and many of its observances are only adaptations of pagan to Christian ceremonial" (1970, p. 58).

How could pagan practices become part of a major church celebration? What were these "heathen festivals" that lent themselves to Christmas customs over the centuries?

The ancient origins of Christmas customs
During the second century B.C., the Greeks practiced rites to honor their god Dionysus (also called Bacchus). The Latin name for this celebration was Bacchanalia. It spread from the Greeks to Rome, center of the Roman Empire.

"It was on or about December 21st that the ancient Greeks celebrated what are known to us as the Bacchanalia or festivities in honor of Bacchus, the god of wine. In these festivities the people gave themselves up to songs, dances and other revels which frquently [sic] passed the limits of decency and order" (Walsh, p. 65).

Because of the nocturnal orgies associated with this festival, the Roman senate suppressed its observance in 186 B.C. It took the senators several years to completely accomplish this goal because of the holiday's popularity.

Suppressing a holiday was unusual for the Romans since they later became a melting pot of many types of gods and worship. Just as the Romans assimilated culture, art and customs from the peoples absorbed into their empire, they likewise adopted those peoples' religious practices.

In addition to the Bacchanalia, the Romans celebrated another holiday, the Saturnalia, held "in honor of Saturn, the god of time, [which] began on December 17th and continued for seven days. These also often ended in riot and disorder. Hence the words Bacchanalia and Saturnalia acquired an evil reputation in later times" (Walsh, p. 65).

The reason for the Saturnalia's disrepute is revealing. In pagan mythology Saturn was an "ancient agricultural god-king who ate his own children presumably to avoid regicide [his own murder while king]. And Saturn was parallel with a Carthaginian Baal, whose brazen horned effigy contained a furnace into which children were sacrificially fed" (William Sansom, A Book of Christmas, 1968, p. 44).

Notice the customs surrounding the Saturnalia: "All businesses were closed except those that provided food or revelry. Slaves were made equal to masters or even set over them. Gambling, drinking, and feasting were encouraged. People exchanged gifts, called strenae, from the vegetation goddess Strenia, whom it was important to honor at midwinter ... Men dressed as women or in the hides of animals and caroused in the streets. Candles and lamps were used to frighten the spirits of darkness, which were [considered] powerful at this time of year. At its most decadent and barbaric, Saturnalia may have been the excuse among Roman soldiers in the East for the human sacrifice of the king of the revels" (Gerard and Patricia Del Re, The Christmas Almanac, 1979, p. 16).

Winter-solstice celebrations
Both of these ancient holidays were observed around the winter solstice—the day of the year with the shortest period of daylight. "From the Romans also came another Christmas fundamental: the date, December 25. When the Julian calendar was proclaimed in 46 C.E. [A.D.], it set into law a practice that was already common: dating the winter solstice as December 25. Later reforms of the calendar would cause the astronomical solstice to migrate to December 21, but the older date's irresistible resonance would remain" (Tom Flynn, The Trouble With Christmas, 1993, p. 42).

Why was this date significant? "The time of the winter solstice has always been an important season in the mythology of all peoples. The sun, the giver of life, is at its lowest ebb. It is [the] shortest daylight of the year; the promise of spring is buried in cold and snow. It is the time when the forces of chaos that stand against the return of light and life must once again be defeated by the gods. At the low point of the solstice, the people must help the gods through imitative magic and religious ceremonies. The sun begins to return in triumph. The days lengthen and, though winter remains, spring is once again conceivable. For all people, it is a time of great festivity" (Gerard and Patricia Del Re, p. 15).

During the days of the apostles in the first century, the early Christians had no knowledge of Christmas as we know it. But, as a part of the Roman Empire, they may have noted the Roman observance of the Saturnalia while they kept their customary "feasts of the Lord" (listed in Leviticus 23).

The Encyclopaedia Britannica tells us: "The sanctity of special times was an idea absent from the minds of the first Christians ... [who] continued to observe the Jewish festivals, though in a new spirit, as commemorations of events which those festivals had foreshadowed" (11th edition, Vol. VIII, p. 828, "Easter").

Over the following centuries, new, humanly devised observances such as Christmas and Easter were gradually introduced into traditional Christianity. History shows that these new days were forcibly promoted while the feast days of the apostolic times were systematically rejected. "Christmas, the [purported] festival of the birth of Jesus Christ, was established in connection with a fading of the expectation of Christ's imminent return" (Encyclopaedia Britannica, 15th edition, Macropaedia, Vol. IV, p. 499, "Christianity").

The message of Jesus Christ and the apostles—"the gospel of the kingdom of God" (Mark 1:14-15)—was soon lost. The Christmas celebration shifted Christianity's focus away from Christ's promised return to His birth. But is this what the Bible asks Christians to do?

How the Christmas date was set
Gerard and Patricia Del Re explain the evolution of Dec. 25 becoming an official Roman celebration:

"Saturnalia and the kalends [new moon] were the celebrations most familiar to early Christians, December 17-24 and January 1-3, but the tradition of celebrating December 25 as Christ's birthday came to the Romans from Persia. Mithra, the Persian god of light and sacred contracts, was born out of a rock on December 25. Rome was famous for its flirtations with strange gods and cults, and in the third century [274] the unchristian emperor Aurelian established the festival of Dies Invicti Solis, the Day of the Invincible Sun, on December 25.

"Mithra was an embodiment of the sun, so this period of its rebirth was a major day in Mithraism, which had become Rome's latest official religion with the patronage of Aurelian. It is believed that the emperor Constantine adhered to Mithraism up to the time of his conversion to Christianity. He was probably instrumental in seeing that the major feast of his old religion was carried over to his new faith" (The Christmas Almanac, 1979, p. 17).

Although it is difficult to determine the first time anyone celebrated Dec. 25 as Christmas, historians are in general agreement that it was sometime during the fourth century.

This is an amazingly late date. Christmas was not observed in Rome, the capital of the empire, until about 300 years after Christ's death. Its origins cannot be traced back to either the teachings or practices of the earliest Christians. The introduction of Christmas represented a significant departure from "the faith which was once for all delivered to the saints" (Jude 3).

European influences on Christmas customs
Although Christmas had been officially established in Rome by the fourth century, another pagan celebration later greatly influenced the many Christmas customs practiced today. That festival was the Teutonic feast of the Twelve Nights, celebrated from Dec. 25 to Jan. 6. This festival was based on the supposed mythological warfare between the forces of nature—specifically winter (called the ice giant) which signified death, vs. the sun god, representing life. The winter solstice marked the turning point: Up until then the ice giant was at his zenith of power; after that the sun god began to prevail.

"As Christianity spread to northern Europe, it met with the observance of another pagan festival held in December in honour of the sun. This time it was the Yule-feast of the Norsemen, which lasted for twelve days. During this time log-fires were burnt to assist the revival of the sun. Shrines and other sacred places were decorated with such greenery as holly, ivy, and bay, and it was an occasion for feasting and drinking.

"Equally old was the practice of the Druids, the caste of priests among the Celts of ancient France, Britain and Ireland, to decorate their temples with mistletoe, the fruit of the oak-tree which they considered sacred. Among the German tribes the oak-tree was sacred to Odin, their god of war, and they sacrificed to it until St Boniface, in the eighth century, persuaded them to exchange it for the Christmas tree, a young fir-tree adorned in honour of the Christ child ... It was the German immigrants who took the custom to America" (L.W. Cowie and John Selwyn Gummer, The Christian Calendar, 1974, p.22).

Instead of worshiping the sun god, converts were told to worship the Son of God. The focus of the holiday subtly changed, but the traditional pagan customs and practices remained fundamentally unchanged. Old religious customs involving holly, ivy, mistletoe and evergreen trees were merely dressed up in Christian attire. We should keep in mind that Jesus Christ warns us to beware of things that masquerade as something they are not (Matthew 7:15).

posted on May, 23 2008 @ 10:49 AM

The roots of modern customs

Many of the other trappings of Christmas are merely carryovers from ancient celebrations.

Santa Claus comes from Saint Nicholas, the "saint whose festival was celebrated in December and the one who in other respects was most nearly in accord with the dim traditions of Saturn as the hero of the Saturnalia" (Walsh, p. 70).

"On the Roman New Year (January 1), houses were decorated with greenery and lights, and gifts were given to children and the poor. To these observances were added the German and Celtic Yule rites ... Food and good fellowship, the Yule log and Yule cakes, greenery and fir trees, gifts and greetings all commemorated different aspects of this festive season. Fires and lights, symbols of warmth and lasting life, have always been associated with the winter festival, both pagan and Christian" (Encyclopaedia Britannica, 15th edition, Micropaedia, Vol. II, p. 903, "Christmas").

"In midwinter, the idea of rebirth and fertility was tremendously important. In the snows of winter, the evergreen was a symbol of the life that would return in the spring, so evergreens were used for decoration ... Light was important in dispelling the growing darkness of the solstice, so a Yule log was lighted with the remains of the previous year's log ... As many customs lost their religious reasons for being, they passed into the realm of superstition, becoming good luck traditions and eventually merely customs without rationale. Thus the mistletoe was no longer worshiped but became eventually an excuse for rather nonreligious activities" (Gerard and Patricia Del Re, p. 18).

"Christmas gifts themselves remind us of the presents that were exchanged in Rome during the Saturnalia. In Rome, it might be added, the presents usually took the form of wax tapers and dolls,—the latter being in their turn a survival of the human sacrifices once offered to Saturn. It is a queer thought that in our Christmas presents we are preserving under another form one of the most savage customs of our barbarian ancestors!" (Walsh, p. 67).

When we see these customs perpetuated today in Christmas observance, we can have no doubt of this holiday's origin. Christmas is a diverse collection of pagan forms of worship overlaid with a veneer of Christianity.

Accommodating a pagan populace
How, we should ask, did these pagan customs become a widely accepted part of Christianity? William Walsh describes how and why unchristian religious rites and practices were assimilated into the Christmas celebration:

"This was no mere accident. It was a necessary measure at a time when the new religion [Christianity] was forcing itself upon a deeply superstitious people. In order to reconcile fresh converts to the new faith, and to make the breaking of old ties as painless as possible, these relics of paganism were retained under modified forms ...

"Thus we find that when Pope Gregory [540-604] sent Saint Augustine as a missionary to convert Anglo-Saxon England he directed that so far as possible the saint should accommodate the new and strange Christian rites to the heathen ones with which the natives had been familiar from their birth.

"For example, he advised Saint Augustine to allow his converts on certain festivals to eat and kill a great number of oxen to the glory of God the Father, as formerly they had done this in honor of [their gods] ...

On the very Christmas after his arrival in England Saint Augustine baptized many thousands of converts and permitted their usual December celebration under the new name and with the new meaning" (Walsh, p. 61).

Gregory permitted such importation of pagan religious practices on the grounds that when dealing with "obdurate minds it is impossible to cut off everything at once" (William Sansom, A Book of Christmas, p. 30).

Tragically, Christianity never accomplished the task of cutting off everything pagan. According to Owen Chadwick, former professor of history at Cambridge University, the Romans "kept the winter solstice with a feast of drunkenness and riot. The Christians thought that they could bring a better meaning into that feast. They tried to persuade their flocks not to drink or eat too much, and to keep the feast more austerely—but without success..." (A History of Christianity, 1995, p. 24).

Christmas confusion and contention
In the beginning, Christians were opposed to Christmas. Some of the earliest controversy erupted over whether Jesus' birthday should be celebrated at all.

"As early as A.D. 245, the Church father Origen was proclaiming it heathenish to celebrate Christ's birthday as if He were merely a temporal ruler when His spiritual nature should be the main concern. This view was echoed throughout the centuries, but found strong, widespread advocacy only with the rise of Protestantism. To these serious-minded, sober clerics, the celebration of Christmas flew in the face of all they believed. Drunken revelry on Christmas! The day was not even known to be Christ's birthday. It was merely an excuse to continue the customs of pagan Saturnalia" (Gerard and Patricia Del Re, p. 20).

Encyclopaedia Britannica adds: "The Fathers of the 2nd and 3rd centuries, such as Clement of Alexandria, Origen, and Epiphanius, contended that Christmas was a copy of a pagan celebration" (15th edition, Macropaedia, Vol. IV, p. 499, "Christianity").

The decision to celebrate Christ's birth on Dec. 25 was far from universally accepted. "Christians of Armenia and Syria accused the Christians of Rome of sun worship for celebrating Christmas on December 25 ... Pope Leo the Great in the fifth century tried to remove certain practices at Christmas which he considered in no way different from sun worship" (Robert Myers, Celebrations: The Complete Book of American Holidays, 1972, p. 310).

Indeed, of all times of the year suggested as the birth of Christ, Dec. 25 could not have been the date (see "Why Jesus Christ Wasn't Born on Dec. 25").

"To the early Christians the idea of celebrating the birthday of a religious figure would have seemed at best peculiar, at worst blasphemous. Being born into this world was nothing to celebrate. What mattered was leaving this world and entering the next in a condition pleasing to God.

"When early Christians associated a feast day with a specific person, such as a bishop or martyr, it was usually the date of the person's death ... If you wanted to search the New Testament world for peoples who attached significance to birthdays, your search would quickly narrow to pagans. The Romans celebrated the birthdays of the Caesars, and most unchristian Mediterranean religions attached importance to the natal feasts of a pantheon of supernatural figures.

"If Jesus Christ was born in Bethlehem, and his purpose in coming was anything like what is supposed, then in celebrating his birthday each year Christians do violence, not honor, to his memory. For in celebrating a birthday at all, we sustain exactly the kind of tradition his coming is thought to have been designed to cast down" (Tom Flynn, The Trouble With Christmas, 1993, p. 42).

Christmas: a banned celebration
In England "the Protestants found their own quieter ways of celebrating, in calm and meditation," while "the strict Puritans refused to celebrate at all, saying that no celebration should be more important than the Sabbath. The Pilgrims in Massachusetts made a point of working on Christmas as on any other day.

"On June 3, 1647, Parliament established punishments for observing Christmas and certain other holidays. This policy was reaffirmed in 1652 ..." (Gerard and Patricia Del Re, p. 20).

Even colonial America considered Christmas more of a raucous revelry than a religious occasion. "So tarnished, in fact, was its reputation in colonial America that celebrating Christmas was banned in Puritan New England, where the noted minister Cotton Mather described yuletide merrymaking as 'an affront unto the grace of God'" (Joseph L. Sheler, U.S. News & World Report, "In Search of Christmas," Dec. 23, 1996, p. 56).

The reason Christmas has survived and grown into such a popular holiday—it is observed by 96 percent of Americans and almost all nations, even atheistic ones (Sheler, p. 56)—is because of economic factors (see "How Christmas Grew" ).

Christmas evaluated
We cannot escape that Christmas is rooted in ancient customs and religious practices that had nothing to do with Christianity and the Bible. Tom Flynn summarizes the issue: "An enormous number of traditions we now associate with Christmas have their roots in pre-Christian pagan religious traditions. Some of these have social, sexual, or cosmological connotations that might lead educated, culturally sensitive moderns to discard the traditions once they have understood their roots more clearly" (Flynn, p. 19).

Originally envisioned as a way to ease converts' transition from heathen worship to Christianity, the holiday's observance in more recent years has been driven by economic forces. Encyclopaedia Britannica observes that the traditional Christian holidays have "undergone a process of striking desacralization and—especially Christmas—commercialization. The Christological foundation of Christmas was replaced by the myth of Santa Claus" (15th edition, Macropaedia, Vol. IV, p. 499, "Christianity").

Even with its failings, Christmas remains an entrenched tradition. Although some recognize the intrinsic paganism of the holiday, they believe they are free to establish their own days of worship. Others cling to the naïve and biblically insupportable belief that paganism's most popular celebrations have been won over by Christianity and therefore are acceptable to God.

Human reasoning aside, we need to consider God's opinion about such celebrations. We need to look into God's Word to see how He views mixing pagan practices and customs with worship of Him.


posted on May, 23 2008 @ 10:55 AM

How Christmas Grew
In view of centuries of criticism of the commercialization of Christmas, it is interesting to note that the holiday's secular, not its religious, aspect, has been most responsible for its popularity. In the United States "retailers have come to count on yuletide sales for up to 50 percent of their annual profits. The shopping season now pumps an estimated $37 billion into the nation's economy—making the American Christmas larger than the gross national product of Ireland" (Joseph L. Sheler, U.S. News & World Report, "In Search of Christmas," Dec. 23, 1996, p. 64).

The lure of profit has proven so strong that, since the 1870s, merchants have vigorously promoted Christmas. Initially they even laid out their stores with more religious trappings, such as pipe organs, choirs and statues, than some churches could muster. Convinced of the economic impact of Christmas, President Franklin Roosevelt moved Thanksgiving from Nov. 30 to Nov. 23 to add another week of shopping before Christmas (Sheler, p. 62).

"What many historians find most fascinating about the reinvention of Christmas is that its commercialization, now so frequently denounced, is what spawned the transformation in the first place. The 'commercial forms' associated with Christmas and other holidays, says Schmidt of Princeton [Lee Eric Schmidt, Consumer Rites, 1995], 'have become integral to their survival.' The consumer culture 'shapes our holidays,' Schmidt says, 'by taking in diverse, local traditions and creating relatively common ones.' To turn Christmas into a purely religious celebration now might cheer those who want to 'take back Christmas,' he says. But such an observance 'would lack the cultural resonance and impact of a holiday deeply rooted in the marketplace.' If Christmas came to that, adds Restad [Penne Restad, Christmas in America, 1995], 'we probably wouldn't keep it as a society'" (Sheler, p. 64).

Christmas vs. the Bible
How well do the customs and traditions of Christmas match the biblical account of Christ's birth? An objective look shows that many traditions supposedly rooted in the Bible don't match the biblical account.

Did three wise men travel to see Jesus? The Bible doesn't say. There could have been more. We are told only that they gave Jesus three kinds of gifts: "gold, frankincense, and myrrh" (Matthew 2:1, 11). The number of wise men is not known.

Did everyone exchange gifts when Christ was born? Gifts were presented to Jesus because He was born "King of the Jews" (verses 2, 11). This was the expected custom when appearing before a king, thus the wise men brought gifts fit for a king: gold and valuable spices. Jesus alone was the recipient of the gifts; others did not exchange gifts among themselves.

Did the wise men, as nativity scenes often depict, arrive to find Jesus in a makeshift shelter–a manger–because there was "no room in the inn"? (Luke 2:7). Not really. By the time the wise men arrived, apparently some time after Christ's birth, Joseph's family was residing in a house (verse 11).

Did the writers of the four Gospels (Matthew, Mark, Luke and John) consider Jesus' birth to be one of the most significant events for Christians to acknowledge or celebrate? Mark and John do not even mention the event. Although Matthew and Luke mention it, neither gives the date. None of the biblical writers says anything about commemorating Christ's birth.

Did Jesus Christ tell us to celebrate His birth? No. However, He left explicit instructions regarding how His followers are to commemorate His death (1 Corinthians 11:23-26).

posted on May, 23 2008 @ 10:56 AM

Why Jesus Christ Wasn't Born on December 25
History convincingly shows that Dec. 25 was popularized as the date for Christmas, not because Christ was born on that day, but because it was already popular in pagan religious celebrations as the birthday of the sun.

But is it possible that Dec. 25 could be the day of Christ's birth?

"Lacking any scriptural pointers to Jesus's birthday, early Christian teachers suggested dates all over the calendar. Clement ... picked November 18. Hippolytus ... figured Christ must have been born on a Wednesday ... An anonymous .,] believed to have been written in North Africa around A.D. 243, placed Jesus's birth on March 28" (Joseph L. Sheler, U.S. News & World Report, "In Search of Christmas," Dec. 23, 1996, p. 58).

A careful analysis of Scripture, however, clearly indicates that Dec. 25 is an unlikely date for Christ's birth. Here are two primary reasons:

First, we know that shepherds were in the fields watching their flocks at the time of Jesus' birth (Luke 2:7-8). Shepherds were not in the fields during December. According to Celebrations: The Complete Book of American Holidays, Luke's account "suggests that Jesus may have been born in summer or early fall. Since December is cold and rainy in Judea, it is likely the shepherds would have sought shelter for their flocks at night" (p. 309).

Similarly, The Interpreter's One-Volume Commentary says this passage argues "against the birth [of Christ] occurring on Dec. 25 since the weather would not have permitted" shepherds watching over their flocks in the fields at night.

Second, Jesus' parents came to Bethlehem to register in a Roman census (Luke 2:1-4). Such censuses were not taken in winter, when temperatures often dropped below freezing and roads were in poor condition. Taking a census under such conditions would have been self-defeating.

Given the difficulties and the desire to bring pagans into Christianity, "the important fact then which I have asked you to get clearly into your head is that the fixing of the date as December 25th was a compromise with paganism" (William Walsh, The Story of Santa Klaus, 1970, p. 62).

If Jesus Christ weren't born on Dec. 25, does the Bible indicate when He was born? The biblical accounts point to the fall of the year as the most likely time of Jesus' birth, based on the conception and birth of John the Baptist.

Since Elizabeth (John's mother) was in her sixth month of pregnancy when Jesus was conceived (Luke 1:24-36), we can determine the approximate time of year Jesus was born if we know when John was born. John's father, Zacharias, was a priest serving in the Jerusalem temple during the course of Abijah (Luke 1:5). Historical calculations indicate this course of service corresponded to June 13-19 in that year (The Companion Bible, 1974, Appendix 179, p. 200).

It was during this time of temple service that Zacharias learned that he and his wife, Elizabeth, would have a child (Luke 1:8-13). After he completed his service and traveled home, Elizabeth conceived (verses 23-24). Assuming John's conception took place near the end of June, adding nine months brings us to the end of March as the most likely time for John's birth. Adding another six months (the difference in ages between John and Jesus) brings us to the end of September as the likely time of Jesus' birth.

posted on May, 23 2008 @ 10:57 AM
I will post more of the booklet later when easter is brought into the discussion. Let's see how the whole Christmas legacy is taken in.

posted on May, 23 2008 @ 11:41 AM
reply to post by Locoman8

i am 61 years old----i have detested the xmas buisness since age 14 and that was 7 years at least before starting my search for G-D.
i think i was 21 when i came to the realization that the holydays as found in leviticus 23 are the only scriptural sanctioned days of worship that G-D recognizes.

so for the next 20 years my wife and i tried to keep the days of leviticus 23 according to the times set in the jewish(comprehensive hebrew calendar written by arthur spier.

since age 21 i have read the scriptures daily and spent lots of time in the libraries delving into the religious encyclopedias trying to find out the history of the church/assembly started by the Messiahs apostles.

as said after 20 years of following the hebrew calendar i find out that the jews changed the calendar so that the holydays that the jews/Messiah early church of G-D kept were at a different time than the jews now keep.

the rabbis changed the calendar approximately 200ad from 1 of observation to 1 of calculation so that now since that time they only keep G-D's true holydays once in 7 years and pentecost/shavuoth very very rarely does it fall on a sunday and this year for instance the jews and those that follow them will try to keep shavuoth a week too soon.

so it is not just the catholic church scholars that have changed time(they advanced their calendar by 4 years so that our 2008 is in reality 2004)but also the jews changed time.

it is mathematically possible to calculate the new moons crescents that start a scriptural month dead on but they instead calculate the molad(moment of invisibility)dead on--------problem is that occures 18 hours minimum time in the spring and 20 hours in the fall ahead of the first visible crescent.

following the rabbis calendar is the same as the blind following the blind---------i was absolutely angry and appaled to find out how i had been duped for 20 years by their presumptuous changing of time,with no authority from on High to do this.

posted on May, 23 2008 @ 11:53 AM
What's important?

1) Love/honor God and accept Jesus as your savior.

2) Love your neighbor as yourself.

If you do those two things you have a great start!

For some reason people want to fight over very simple clearly stated direction from God. Don't get caught up in the the arguments of man.

I'll say it again:

1) Love/honor God and accept Jesus as your savior.

2) Love your neighbor as yourself.

If you do those two things you have a great start!

[edit on 5/23/2008 by kinglizard]

posted on May, 23 2008 @ 02:22 PM
How right you are with love/honor God and thy neighbor, but how do you show your love for God? He hates pagan worship and pagan traditions. He set up a holy day plan for us to follow in order to find out what the great plan for mankind was. That is His love for us and the only way I see fit to show our love to Him is to follow His plan for mankind and stop the celebration that originated in pagan traditions.

posted on May, 23 2008 @ 02:51 PM

Originally posted by Locoman8
..... but how do you show your love for God?


1) Loving/honoring God and accepting Jesus as my savior

2) Loving my neighbor as myself

It's that simple really. I've said this before but.....

I am not a pagan nor do I celebrate anything pagan. Christmas is a time when we Christians choose to celebrate the birth of Jesus. Many cultures of the past had winter celebrations but I happen to belong to the current time and practice modern Christianity. We choose to recognize December 25th as the day Jesus was born to this world and celebrate just that. I will not be thinking about Ishtar and Mithra during this time.

Just do as Jesus said...celebrate and honor God an dlove your neighbor. Honestly I don't think God wanted this to be a complicated thing that only a select few could comprehend. Celebrate, Love, Honor, Forgive and have Joy and he will be pleased.

posted on May, 23 2008 @ 03:21 PM

Originally posted by kinglizard
[Just do as Jesus said...celebrate and honor God an dlove your neighbor. Honestly I don't think God wanted this to be a complicated thing that only a select few could comprehend. Celebrate, Love, Honor, Forgive and have Joy and he will be pleased.

You mention celebrating and honoring God yet the only celebrations and feasts mentioned in the bible are those of God's Holy Day feasts in Leviticus 23. There is nothing stating we must celebrate the birth of Christ. Early christians never even celebrated birthdays. Deaths were celebrated such as the christian passover in which we celebrate the Death of Christ as our sacrificial lamb of passover. Isn't it funny that He rose on the third day... in the middle of the Feast of Unleavened Bread? Also, if you participate in christmas trees, santa clause, exchanging of gifts, mistletoe, wreaths, or anything of that nature, it is all pagan in origin and that mixed with the birth of christ is mixing man-made and "so-called" God-made holidays which God looked down on very harshly. The first account of mixing pagan and God-made traditions was when Moses was on the Mount of Sinai while God was giving him the ten commandments. The Hebrews grew tired of waiting on Moses that they carved an image in the shape of a calf and started worshipping it while keeping some of the customs of the teachings of Moses. How is christmas any different as far as mixing traditions? God opened the earth up and killed many people for this act. Because of this act, God's chosen people had to wander in the wilderness for 40 years for this sin until that generation had passed. Also, why do we choose this date, Dec. 25 to celebrate the birth of Christ when clearly he was born in the early Fall? These traditions that traditional christianity keeps are the reason why so many people turn athiest or agnostic... because they find fault between christianity and paganism. It's only because they don't research what true christianity was meant to be.

posted on May, 23 2008 @ 03:24 PM
We have a new covenant with God after the birth, life, death and resurrection of Christ. If you feel Christmas doesn't honor God then don't celebrate it, it's not a requirement. Celebrate God however you like.

posted on May, 23 2008 @ 03:36 PM
I'll agree to that and I'm not one to try and pursuade you but this thread was meant for those who are interested in learning some truths about what we celebrate and what has been forgotten. The new covenant didn't mean to do away with all the jewish customs, just to celebrate them with new meaning. People fail to realize that this new covenant happened on passover with the last supper. Christians don't even celebrate passover anymore. It's been replaced with Easter.... and I'll get to that pagan holiday tomorrow. I have to go to work for now.

posted on May, 23 2008 @ 04:02 PM
Obviously I disagree but I know your heart is in the right place. I just think we tend to confuse everything and make salvation and honoring God out to be some sort of Rubik's Cube exercise. I happen to believe it's all very simple and and can be sorted out by reading the words of Jesus. In my opinion the Devil attempts to confuse us with casting doubt and endless intellectual exercises that sometimes result in the splitting of the faithful and all sorts of evil including wars.

Jesus formula is boiled down, easy to understand and unconfused.

1) Love/honor God and accept Jesus as your savior.

2) Love your neighbor as yourself.

I know I'm saying that a lot in this thread but it needs to be because it's so often lost/ignored.

SalVation is for everyone!

[edit on 5/23/2008 by kinglizard]

posted on May, 23 2008 @ 04:26 PM
I understand what you're saying and that is a very true statement but my difference in opinion only comes in the way of how we show our love to God and Jesus. I think the confusion comes from the separation of the church. My beliefs stem from the original apostolic churches of God and the church Jesus built. Follow the bible strictly and faithfully and you can never go wrong. Murderers, petafiles, rapists, prostitutes and junkies can all claim to love God but they are destroying the very temple of God which is your body. Follow the bible and the holy day plan and you can never go wrong... as long as you keep your heart in the right place with God.

posted on May, 23 2008 @ 04:46 PM
reply to post by Locoman8

....but this thread was meant for those who are interested in learning some truths about what we celebrate and what has been forgotten.


The Bible says this:
Col 2:16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:

and this:
Romans 14:4-6 Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand.
5 One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.
6 He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it. He that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks.


Romans 14:22 Hast thou faith? have it to thyself before God. Happy is he that condemneth not himself in that thing which he alloweth.

Now I realize the next thing that will probably happen is that someone here will tell me all about the "pagan beginning" of Christmas...God said not to look into (inquire about) them:

Deut 12:30 Take heed to thyself that thou be not snared by following them, after that they be destroyed from before thee; and that thou enquire not after their gods, saying, How did these nations serve their gods? even so will I do likewise.

"Yoke of Bondage?"

Paul was an Israelite. Was he preaching that the (gentile) Church needed to follow the Jewish law?


THAT is why he was an ENEMY of the Jews.

Galatians 5:1-12 Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage.

2 Behold, I Paul say unto you, that if ye be circumcised, Christ shall profit you nothing.

3 For I testify again to every man that is circumcised, that he is a debtor to do the whole law.

4 Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.

5 For we through the Spirit wait for the hope of righteousness by faith.

6 For in Jesus Christ neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision; but faith which worketh by love.

7 Ye did run well; who did hinder you that ye should not obey the truth?

8 This persuasion cometh not of him that calleth you.

9 A little leaven leaveneth the whole lump.

10 I have confidence in you through the Lord, that ye will be none otherwise minded: but he that troubleth you shall bear his judgment, whosoever he be.

11 And I, brethren, if I yet preach circumcision, why do I yet suffer persecution? then is the offence of the cross ceased.

12 I would they were even cut off which trouble you.

Galatians 5:1-12

posted on May, 23 2008 @ 05:16 PM

Originally posted by Locoman8
Follow the bible strictly and faithfully and you can never go wrong.

Proverbs 3:5-6
Trust in the LORD with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding.
6 In all thy ways acknowledge him, and he shall direct thy paths.

Murderers, petafiles, rapists, prostitutes and junkies can all claim to love God but they are destroying the very temple of God which is your body.

There is no prohibition against using alcohol or drugs for pleasure in the Bible. Becoming so useless to your own family and society is a sin (sloth...sluggard), but it is NOT a sin against your body as you've described. Neither is murder.

Follow the bible


and the holy day plan

What "holy day plan?" This is a heretical theology of the CoG and is refuted by

Collosians 2:16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:

Please, locoman8, read carefully what you wrote above? You said "Follow the bible and the holy day plan". You just "added" something TO the Bible, for the Bible teaches us that we have no rule about the Sabbath or holy days or ANY DAY!

NO RULES (about holy days or Sabbaths)! NO COMMANDMENTS (about them, either)! None!

This is the very "Yoke of Bondage" that Paul warned about in Colossians.

as long as you keep your heart in the right place with God.

2 Cor. 13:8 For we can do nothing against the truth, but for the truth.

posted on May, 23 2008 @ 05:18 PM
reply to post by kinglizard

2) Love your neighbor as yourself.


"Who is your neighbor?"

[edit on 23-5-2008 by PreTribGuy]

posted on May, 23 2008 @ 05:27 PM

Easier said than done isn't it?

I certainly fall short.....

[edit on 5/23/2008 by kinglizard]

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