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The Hagee/McCain and Wright/Obama Connection

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posted on May, 23 2008 @ 09:40 AM
In a lot of the news lately, an effort seems to be made drawing a connection to the Jeremiah Wright controversy surrounding Barack Obama to John Hagee's statements reflecting on John McCain. So what are the similarities?

- John McCain and Barack Obama are both front runners for their party in the presidential election.

- Jeremiah Wright and John Hagee are pastors and have some radical, racist core beliefs and core teachings/focuses from the pulpit.

There are some huge differences, though. Obama has been a member of Wright's church for 20 years. This means that Obama chose Wright's church to call home. There are hundreds if not thousands of churches in the Chicagoland area, and Obama chose that one. He must have attended somewhat regularly to be considered a member, and he called Jeremiah Wright his pastor, which is to mean his teacher and elder in his faith. In this case, Obama does have to account for Wright's statements. Did he just stay there because politically it made sense to claim to be a Christian who goes to church and he just tuned out during all the services, somehow never realizing how radical and militant a racist Wright was? Did Obama identify with Wright's statements? Several of his wife's public statements seem to indicate that she, at least, identified with a lot of what Wright was saying. There is a hard line connection between Wright and Obama.

McCain and Hagee, on the other hand, do not have a pastoral relationship. Instead, Hagee is a pastor who endorsed McCain. Hagee said he supports McCain for president. There was not a preexisting relationship between the two, which means McCain should not be held accountable for Hagee's beliefs. Just as Obama is not being held accountable for endorsements by the Black Panthers, so, too, should McCain not be held accountable for an endorsement by Hagee. If McCain were a member of Hagee's congregation, that would be radically different, but he's not.

If someone out there you've never met nor even knew existed says they're a fan of what you write here on ATS, should you suddenly be accountable for everything they've ever written?

It makes no logical sense to compare these two situations with one another except in an effort to try to nullify Obama's association with Wright. From a political spin perspective, it makes sense. From an intellectually honest perspective, they're apples and oranges.

posted on May, 23 2008 @ 10:24 AM
It just amazes me that Obama is still steamrolling to the nomination. It makes me wonder what people are thinking to support a man that claims Christianity yet supports ideals that go against the Word of God. He obviously joined the church because of an election he lost years ago. Although it is cramping his style now, it's still not stopping him in any way. Essentially this man is being supported on two fronts. 1. He is black and 2. He is a good public speaker. He is not qualified to run this country in any way, shape or form.

The fact is that if Obama were white and everything were switched to a white perspective, he'd never had made it this far because the liberals would have buried him in the "racist pile". However, now it's on their side so they go into complete denial of the facts.

The facts are:

Obama joined a radical church with a radical racist pastor at the helm to further his political career.

His wife actually believes in the substance of the message from said church.

His pastor is a close friend and mentor to him and has been for 20 years.

This same pastor and church support other racists such as Louis Farrakhan.

How can a man pledge allegiance to America when he already has pledged it to Africa?

What are Obama's policies? Does he have any? Qualifications? Does he have any?

Barack Obama is seriously pushing the envelope of the phrase "crooked politician"

This man supports live birth abortion for goodness sake! That means the baby is alive on the table and they just leave it there and walk out of the room! Do you really trust such a man?!?!

Someone please show me what qualifies this man to be president and while your at it please tell me how you can be in such denial about him, his wife, his pastor and church.

Please, I'm listening.....

posted on May, 23 2008 @ 10:46 AM
The worst part of all this... is that the MSM is spending even more time on this worthless garbage. Throw on the worthless tactics of all the campaigns. All spent tearing down the other candidate... any real issues brought up are only lightly touched upon... and they all give the standard, party-line response, saying they will 'fix it' or 'take care of it' but never offering any viable solutions. At best a pipe-dream.

Sad to realize these morons have been thrown at us for well over a year now... such a waste of time and money for everyone involved. There needs to be limits on how long these idiotic campaigns are... at longest, ONE year prior to elections. These idiots aren't doing their real jobs and still getting paid for it. It ultimately comes down to who you hate the least, according to all the non-issues, by November... not who you like according to the real issues at hand.

Republicans... Democrats... ALL worthless. THROW THE BUMS OUT!!

The "Kick Them All Out" Project

It really should be that simple people (as long as ALL the elections aren't fixed at this point). The only wasted votes are the ones YOU people cast for Republicans and Democrats. I say "YOU" because I haven't voted for one of them in 10+ years, as long as another option has been available. If one isn't, then ya' don't vote for the incumbant. This is why it is so damn corrupt in D.C. YOU keep voting the same morons into office, year after year... and the corruption and crony-ism gets worse, year after year.

YOU want to save our country? THROW ALL THE BUMS OUT!!!!! There are usually plenty of other options on the ballot... from President right down to dog-catcher. CHOOSE ONE OF THEM -- why would you want to keep putting life-long, corrupt politicians into office? It simply baffles me.

I can suggest that people are "afraid of change."

My response to that this time around... you're afraid to change the course that has been set by all these morons? Jezus... look around, people... ANYONE could do a better job than these jack-asses, and things will NOT change if you keep putting them in place... no matter how much Obama or anyone else tries to brainwash you into thinking it will, by repeating it over and over. Wake up, folks... before our only option left is...

If the representatives of the people betray their constituents, there is then no resource left but in the exertion of that original right of self-defense...

The citizens must rush tumultuously to arms, without concert, without system, without resource; except in their courage and despair.

The Federalist No. 28

I'd much rather we take care of the ENTIRE problem in the voting booth.

posted on May, 23 2008 @ 11:13 AM
from an outside observers view....

Obama needed to align with a passionate Preacher like Wright
because Obamas' constituency expected nothing less than that type of alignment or Obama would be considered an 'outsider' (in polite terms)

next off...Obama, could not expect to have his finger on the true pulse of the 'community' by taking his clues from the sit-com, of the upward-mobile-minority family of Doctor Huxtable on TV.
(Mr Cosby and Ms Rashad are hardly typical of Illinois black communities)

~ not being an apologist, but, rev wright isn't rev jessee jackson ! ~


as far as Hagee being 'racist' he's a Christian zionist which is worlds away from racism.
the fundamentalist worldview, where gods Christian Soldiers kick butt and are on an eternal crusade to the Gospel so Christ can come and set up the Millennial Kingdom is his sthick... & he loved the Regan 'evil empire' speach and the McCain 100 years of war outlook

[edit on 23-5-2008 by St Udio]

posted on May, 23 2008 @ 11:18 AM
I am sorry, but I take issue with the first couple of sentences of the OP.

I do not believe Hagee is a rascist

posted on May, 23 2008 @ 11:38 AM
reply to post by xxpigxx

Don't be sorry, just support the opinion

Actually, I was just checking out some info to support my viewpoint, and I'm going to have to agree with you, though. I'm not sure if I just read in some article and took it as truth that he was or what... I had been under the impression that he was a bit of an anti-Semite, but I can't find anything supporting that as I look into it. Ironic
I don't agree with his theology, but it appears racist is not the right term by any means...

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