Forever in "Hell", page 1

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- Just to give one example of what I mean:

(Revelation 13:11)
Then I saw another beast, coming out of the earth. He had two horns like a lamb, but he spoke like a dragon.

Well, the false Prophet here has horns like a lamb, and Jesus himself in the apocalypse is the lamb. I think it makes sense now and would
be logic to conclude (there are by the way other points outside the bible that would point to that conclusion) that the false prophet will claim to be Jesus (but if this would really be the case, then most likely without the title 'christ'). Or another interpretation, that he will be the pope (who claims to be the representative of Jesus christ on earth).

But the point now, that I want to make is, that I think we can't state such things with the same certainty, as we would for example state, that Jesus died and is risen from the dead.

Well, and with the claim, I think you meant this:

Originally posted by Kaleon
Most people have a wrong concept of what the bible says about 'hell' and the 'lake of fire'.

(Yes, sorry I forgot to include something like a phrase like "I think that most people have a wrong concept about..." . I realised this shortly after I posted it, but very strangely I wasn't logged in anymore immediately after I posted, and even more strangely my password in the loggin scedule was no longer saved, so I had first to go to my email-account to get the password again, and when I came back and logged in, you did already quote my statement, so I kept the old version and didn't change it anymore. Ok this was a little bit unlucky, but doesn't matter ...
Looking afterwards at my claim, I think it could still stand that way, because I'm am relatively sure that there's a difference between gehenna and sheol, and because most people don't know this, most people would really have a wrong concept and the claim would be right. But that just by the way).

Originally posted by saint4God
Ya, and might I say it's the typical spin I've seen before. The thought of eternal hell makes us people 'hot under the collar' so we try to nerf the idea any way we can.

But I would say this can't be the point, by which we make our decision.
It doesn't matter which view makes us hot under the collar and wich doesn't.
We just should make our decision by what the bible says about an issue.
If a certain point is uncomfortable for us, well let it be so and if a certain point is comfortable for us, well let it be so too. We cannot change it, we have to live with it. Everything else would be selfdeceiption.

--> Yes, I would say the concept that gehenna is a place of eternal tornment, is the more uncomfortable view, but this doesn't prove anything, against or for that view.

So I hope we can start now a real discussion about why or why not, hell is the same as the lake of fire and if gehenna is a place of eternal tornment or eternal death.

I think we should start with the question, if sheol is the same as gehenna and which conclusions we could derive, if it isn't.

Unfortunately, you did not make it very clear and concrete , what you think about the links I have posted. So to start a discussion, I hope you can at first tell me:

1.) Do you agree with the view, that gehenna and hell are not the same places. (Why?/Why not?)

2.) If you think they are different places, do you think that sheol (not gehenna) is a place of fire and torment or do you think it is rather a place of unconsciousness (sleep, death, just the grave). (Why/ Why not?)

And by the way, I think I am going to write an e-mail at "liveprayer24" to ask them what they think, for example about (Rev 20:10) or what they think "thrown into hell, where their worm does not die" means.

I myself, am curious about their answer.

[edit on 26-5-2008 by Kaleon]