PHOENIX LIGHTS: Project SNOWBIRD and the Flare Drop

Good Day Forumerions,

Although friend and colleague "Kenny Young" is no longer with us, his work lives on as an epitaph, acknowledging his many contributions he bestowed upon Ufology; here is a fine example:



The rest of the story . . .

While I am a firm believer that Snowbird does indeed resolve the 10pm event and videos...there still exists the strange sightings of an 8pm encounter that are NOT acknowledged to be flares, but which comprise the majority of the triangular craft sightings...

This can even be confirmed by official reports to NUFORC, which occurred prior to the Snowbird flight, so even with flares explaining the video taped event, we're still stuck with the mystery of what people were seeing hours earlier, and over a larger part of Arizona than just Phoenix....

Afternoon Gazrok



This is certainly true! The 10:00 flare deployment and subsequent videos do not negate the humongous V-Shaped UFO seen in the 8:00 hour! Nor other earlier sightings of anomalous objects earlier in the day, a well as the in the month of March in Arizona, likewise additional sightings across the country.

Cheers,
Frank

reply to post by Frank Warren

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Nice write up-and confirms what I've been told by MD National Guard as well.

However, with Lynn Kitei out there pumping the lights at every conference and TV show ya see, I fear this will fall upon deaf ears. I know I encountered flat-out rage from some over it.

And thats correct, it does nothing to diminish the structured craft seen earlier. For me it suggests the drop was meant to confuse the issue.

I am really amazed at this flare business. Why would anyone,
including the Military, drop flares over the top of a city and suburbs
that contain 6 million or so people? Especially in the state of Arizona
where you can't even light off a sparkler over the 4th. of July.

And what do these supposed flares accomplish? A pretty light in the sky
to amaze the pilgrims? This flare business is totally nuts, at least to me.

ZOOMER

[edit on 22-5-2008 by ZOOMER]

Afternoon Jeff,



I do agree that the continual "muddying of the waters" by mixing the 10:00 flare videos with 8:00 witnesses certainly confuses the layperson, in particular coming from a person that most think carries some weight in the matter; however, those that dig a little deeper will find that "all that flies" is not from Zeta Reticuli.

Having debated (and still debating) this issue with Doc Lynne, I'm at a loss why she continues to feel the need to have photographed ET in the face of all the evidence. I've tried to explain that just because she and others captured flares on video does not detract from the event in general, and specifically the observation by a multitude of people of a huge "craft" earlier on.

Within days of the event Richard Motzer noticed a peculiarity in the reports: although there was several (7) videos of the 10:00 pm events there were hardly any witnesses, in contrast to the 8:00 pm event(s). Obviously, had this happened where Doc Lynne, (and "then" some of the other videographers) said took place i.e., "over Phoenix,' there would have been a plethora of witnesses.

Why weren't there? Because they weren't over Phoenix; in order to see the flares one had to be at a higher elevation, and have a southwest view towards the Estrellas. The lack of witnesses is akin to the "lack of blood-splatter" or void in a specific location in a blood-soaked room at a crime seen; there's something "missing" that doesn't make sense.

That of course was the beginning, before any scientific analysis was done e.g., Cognitec Systems and or Bruce Maccabee, or admissions from the MANG etc.

Cheers,
Frank

Good Day Zoomer,



With respect, sounds like you need to do a little homework; no one including the military is claiming to have dropped flares "over" Phoenix; that in fact is "part of the point." Had there been anything over Phoenix (at the 10:00 hour) there would have been thousands of witnesses, like there was in the 8:00 hour.

Cheers,
Frank

Good day Mr. Warren:

I really have read a ton of stories about all of this, so it isn't as if
I am uninformed or misinformed about it. The truth is, there is so
much being bantered about, that I can't decide what to believe. And
I assume, that is exactly the way the PTB want it. I am not saying
one way or another, as I can't possibly have too much to say about
it, except I have 3 children who live in the Phoenix area, and they
don't even know what to think about it.


Thanks for your reply.

ZOOMER

Hi Zoomer,



I think this emphasizes Jeff's point, the media in particular and a small fraction of Ufologists promote the visceral (and visual) aspect of PL. If the deployment of flares was done on purpose; that is as a diversionary tactic, then I say it was/is brilliant! Here it is is 11 years later and the debate goes on.

The bottom line is that "a UFO event of grand proportions" took place on March 13th, 1997. Personally, I believe "there is" video tape of it; however, none has yet to be published.

If you haven't read Bruce's report on the flare videos yet, go here.

Cheers,
Frank

G'Day Forumerions,

Here's some of Kenny's comments in post interview:



The of his interview and comments . . .

Cheers,
Frank