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reply posted on 22-5-2008 @ 03:33 PM by jasonjnelson

reply to post by Howie47

You are right, if there was a false allegation, that person should be prosecuted. I think that there was a big production of accusing this group of rampant child rape. Even accusing them of having a marriage "rape" bed. What this was really about was them having a different view on life. If they were holding members hostage, keeping them from leaving, then that is one thing. But to say that this is somehow equivalent to child abuse should have EVERY parent who goes to ANY church alarmed. This was just a test case my friends. Just a test case...

Not to mention the UMPTEEN articles devoted to just the way the women dressed. Like they were being denied current fashions. (maybe there really is a fashion police)

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reply posted on 22-5-2008 @ 03:52 PM by eradown

reply to post by jasonjnelson

There are according to this ruling five pregnant girls who might be between the ages of 15 and 17. One way to determine their ages would be with X-rays of the bones. Obviously that will not be possible until the babies are born. I think the girls should be declared independent adults and taken out of CPS custody. I don't believe anyone should be forced to adopt out a baby they want to keep. CPS will try to steal those babies if they are born in the states custody.There are lots of people lining up in the state to adopt those five babies. The FDLS people may be weird ,but they clearly are not drunks or meth addicts. If it turns out the girls were under age and impregnated by older men then only the men who did the crime should suffer the consequences.

reply posted on 22-5-2008 @ 03:53 PM by grover

Wasn't this obvious once they found out the original call was a hoax?

reply posted on 22-5-2008 @ 03:56 PM by Harlequin

reply to post by eradown

except that so far the driving licence of the eldest `underage` girl - who is 26 has been taken away and she is being hounded in court for doing nothing wrong. All to try and get her child back from teh abduction by the state.

reply posted on 22-5-2008 @ 03:57 PM by Sonya610

I haven't followed the previous threads on this topic but I believe they DID arrest a woman for making the hoax call a few weeks ago. I haven't heard anything about it since though..

www.nypost.com...

April 20, 2008 -- The frantic phone calls from a young female caller that sparked a massive raid on a Texas polygamist compound are being investigated as a possible hoax, authorities said yesterday.

Rozita Estraletta Swinton, 33, was arrested at her Colorado Springs, Colo., apartment Wednesday on charges she called cops there in February, pretending to be a young girl held captive in a basement.

Swinton has a history of making false reports to police, and is a "person of interest" in the search for a woman whose anguished-sounding pleas to a women's shelter led police to raid the compound of the Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints in Eldorado, Texas.

Investigators also seized items from Swinton's home that link her to calls related to the polygamist sect's activities in Colorado City, Ariz., and Eldorado, said authorities.

In her calls about the polygamy sect, the woman seemed terrified of black people.

"In her little baby voice, she said, 'If you rescue me, and I get out of here, do you think the black people will hurt me?' " Linda Walker of the Child Protection Project, founded by a former sect member, told the Houston Chronicle.

reply posted on 22-5-2008 @ 04:04 PM by jasonjnelson

I have read, starred, flagged other threads, and started many of my own threads about the fact that our government seems to be testing us. If they can take our kids for breaking the law, then all they have to do is write laws that set us against the state. Or worse, say that we are breaking them when we aren't! So all it takes is an accusation? WHAT HAPPENED WHEN I WAS ABUSED AND CPS ONLY TOOK NOTES! WITH 5 WITNESSES!

It was because I didn't have a 100 million dollar plus fund to take away.

They are preparing us people. They are going to so what ever it takes to break us.

(ps I just met a couple who were arrested for opening a legal Med Cannabis dispensary. Because they found 4 grams of cooked product in a home fridge, in the garage, on a shelf neither child could reach, the children were taken from them. Now, they believe that in the 4 months the children were abducted, they were both sexually abused.)

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reply posted on 22-5-2008 @ 04:04 PM by eradown

reply to post by Harlequin

One theory I read on another websight suggested the older women were taken into custody because CPS people wanted to interrogate them without legal representation. I also agree with you CPS also wanted to give some wealthy and well connected infertile couples early Christmas presents. One of the most embarrasing moments in court came when a CPS social worker was forced admitt she only thought the 14 year old was pregnant because she refused to submitt to a pelvic exam. It turns the 14 year old was a virgin.

reply posted on 22-5-2008 @ 04:09 PM by Sonya610

Well these people have been doing this for generations, and there is no doubt they were a bit crazy all along. One can only imagine how crazy they are going to be after this, especially the kids.

Since it appears they have money (they seemed to have built that compound pretty quick) why don't they move to Mexico?

reply posted on 22-5-2008 @ 04:21 PM by mybigunit

You guys notice that also about the dresses. Every article it seems they make some dumbas$$ comment about the dresses. Even the girl who left there they interviewed her first words were "Yeah I remember having to wear the dresses" like its some horrible thing to wear a dress that doesnt show all your body parts. Also a dress that is made by them and not by some kid in China. You talk about an American people these people bought their land mined and cut all there own wood and stone and built all their houses by hand. They make their own clothes and grow their own food. WTF is the matter with that? What is so weird about that? So what if the husbands have more than one wife who are they to judge? Most government officials have 1 wife but then 3 mistresses on the side whats the difference?

reply posted on 22-5-2008 @ 04:27 PM by jasonjnelson

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Isn't that why we came here in the first place? to avoid persecution? Who gives a crap about multiple wives anyway? I can't say that people shouldn't kill their babies, or should kill sexual predators, but I'm allowed to tell adult men and women what they should and should not do at home?
These people were rounded up and have gone through hell! And what about holding a 27 year old in CPS, AFTER she showed her id? Isn't that called KIDNAPPING AND UNLAWFUL DETENTION!!!!

Edit to add ANGRY faces!!

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reply posted on 22-5-2008 @ 04:29 PM by jasonjnelson

reply to post by mybigunit

I agree about the mistresses thing. Except it isn't just the family values party after these people. he socialists are all over this.
And yes, God forbid a group perpetuate the repressive practice of modesty.
Where are those that attack our over sexed culture to defend these people?

Flag this thread then take my points!!! This is important!! THey are testing their gestapo tactics right now, and let's stop them while we can!! Call your congressman if you live in texas. Your local reps! And for God's sake, recall this judge!!!!

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reply posted on 22-5-2008 @ 04:53 PM by eradown

reply to post by mybigunit

The comments about the dresses and the hair make me cringe. Amazing that so many people can be brainwashed into thinking something is unattractive because someone with a microphone tells them it is unattractive. It is clear to most of those who have follwed this story a land grab is being attempted. If you have something the elites want but you are not willing to part with it, they can and they will bring trumped up charges against you. They will also laugh at your clothes when show up at court even if they are the best clothes you own.

reply posted on 22-5-2008 @ 05:04 PM by Shar

Originally posted by jasonjnelson

I can't believe that the right thing has happened here? what does this mean?
I had top follow the links before I could really get to the meat of this. I think it funny that we have all been discussing this for days, and now we see that maybe, just maybe, parents still have rights!

Rights!!!! what rights? They have had their kids and kept them for well over a month now. Going on two months!!!! Thats a long time. Enough time for the government to do ALL THEIR DAMAGE TO THEM!!! including taking their DNA against their will. Possibly putting chips in them! Who knows all the damage they have done to them!!!!

What ever happen to innocent until proven guilty? Where is our rights at?!

reply posted on 22-5-2008 @ 05:07 PM by jasonjnelson

reply to post by Shar

I was implying at least some rights. But no, there were no rights here. These people were mind-raped. There is no repairing the damage. All on trumped up charges.

reply posted on 22-5-2008 @ 05:10 PM by mybigunit

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Right I wonder how much government brainwashing went on while they held the kids. That is something you dont hear people talk about. You know the type that says your way of life is bad this is how you should live. Im sure a lot of that was done. This village will not be the same.

reply posted on 22-5-2008 @ 05:14 PM by Sonya610

I doubt if there was any real gov "brain washing" going on. Those kids may have always "feared the evil outsiders who may take them away one day" and then it happened.

I would expect they will be traumatized because their worst fears came true. The physical exams were probably horrid on the older kids, and god only knows what they experienced in their foster homes.

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reply posted on 22-5-2008 @ 05:17 PM by mybigunit

Originally posted by Sonya610
I doubt if there was any real gov "brain washing" going on. Those kids may have "feared the evil outsiders who may take them away one day" and then it happened.

I would expect they will be traumatized because their worst fears came true. The physical exams were probably horrid on the older kids, and god only knows what they experienced in their foster homes.

Oh Im sure there was some brainwashing going. I mean you dont think the government wasnt telling these kids that the way they live is bad and weird and that you should live like "everyone else" That is what I mean by brainwashing them. I would be very surprised if none of that was going on. Here you ever tried this McDonalds try this or you ever seen TV before here watch some TV.

reply posted on 22-5-2008 @ 05:23 PM by Sonya610

Originally posted by mybigunitOh Im sure there was some brainwashing going. ... Here you ever tried this McDonalds try this or you ever seen TV before here watch some TV.

Well I am sure they TRIED to brainwash them, but i doubt it would be very successful.

Its not like these kids spent a fun summer with a trusted relative and got spoiled by video games and fast food. They were traumatized. I would suspect they hated every minute of it and instead of rejecting their old life they will cling to it gratefuly the moment they get a chance (though some may have emotional problems that will mess them up for a long time).

reply posted on 22-5-2008 @ 05:28 PM by jasonjnelson

reply to post by Sonya610

I think that both of you are right. As opposed to this being a cult that focused on molesting young girls, which would have meant these girls were used to being physically touched, it seems that they were in hysterics, as no one had been allowed to touch them at all. And coming from the man I previously mentioned, oh hell yes there would have been a lot of attempts to brainwash and confuse these children.

reply posted on 22-5-2008 @ 06:51 PM by Howie47

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Ya! Mexico, the NEW land of the free. VIVA LE MEXICO!
No one liner from me.

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