I'm kind of shocked that no one seems to have any interest in what this Army veteran of 21 years has to say. Hell, he took shrapnel in Iraq. The guy is a true patriot in my book. Of the 100 some people who clicked this thread, did anyone even bother to read the interview? It's quite an interesting insight into how the military treats it's own when they say some things about 9/11 that are contrary to the established rhetoric. What am I missing here?

Seriously, is no one interested in this case?

I just saw this thread, and only just signed in recently. Most of the views are probably from anon or members not logged in. Going to read the article now, and give my opinion after.

Great find,

Very interesting story, a great deal of detailed info, and a lot to think on. What caught my attention was the two paragraphs below, I especially agree with the second, and have seen first hand the first, being one of those who questioned while watching 9/11 occur.


from linked source:

"Right now, in the INTEL sections of the Army, the Navy, Air Force, Marines ... everywhere, in Homeland Security, the defense department, state department, they are beginning to question. It will take more people going through what I experienced to really shake things up, however.

"My message to the military is this: ‘Question everything. Be a student of history. Stay on top of current events. Remember your oath. And defend the constitution at all costs. It is the ultimate requirement of your service, all else fail.’

Even after my enlistment is up, I'll keep true to defending the constitution, against all enemies, foreign and domestic.

I think there was a thread about this guy before, when he was still in. I don't like the idea of the military messing with their own people simply because they have a "non-official" opinion about 9/11. Especially considering that the war in Iraq has nothing to do with 9/11 anyway.

And this shows us that any member that is active duty that posts in the 9/11 threads can not be trusted. Sorry guys.

The next day, he was denied entry into his place of work. Soon thereafter, the Army informed him that he was under investigation. In the following days, he was fired from his job, demoted, ordered to undergo a mental health examination, and accused by Col. Luke S. Green, chief of staff at US Army North (Fifth Army), of "making statements disloyal to the United States."

when i read that, i think it is manditory that they do that when someone starts asking quesitons.

on the otherside, this guy is seriously one of the greatest american heroes anyone can ask for...the stuff he did in the past is phenominal, i wish i could shake his hand!

i am glad he is coming out and doing this, hopefully other people will start to do it the same after he did it.

Originally posted by jackinthebox
What makes you say that?

Unless they want to be reprimanded that is.

Don't you find it amazing that most if not all of our resident "debunkers" around here are active military?

[edit on 5/22/2008 by Griff]

Originally posted by Griff
And this shows us that any member that is active duty that posts in the 9/11 threads can not be trusted. Sorry guys.

I don't want to put words in anybodys else's mouth, but ADVISOR would seem to side with CTerz. Maybe I misread his status.

So where does that leave us?

Only a SITH deals in absolutes..........

I think that he's a very realiable source and doesn't have any reason to lie. I mean he threw his whole career away because he felt so strongly about his, so we got to take this serisly.

Originally posted by Griff
And this shows us that any member that is active duty that posts in the 9/11 threads can not be trusted. Sorry guys.

WTF is that supposed to mean?!


I'm active duty Army, and getting ready to redeploy back to Iraq for another tour. I've never once been a lap dog to the "official story", and always been very out spoken on what I beleive is the answer. Check any of my posts on the matter, and threads at that.

I remember watching the Towers collapse, and telling my mother that it was a controlled demolition, spoke about it with all of my friends and only on numb skull beleived the government, but even he finally came around to questioning the story.

To top it off, there are more members of the Armed Forces who don't support the official story than most will realise, from joes to NCOs, and even the commissioned officers.

Don't judge the Military personnel by what the talking head says, we fight for each other and because we beleive the Iraqis need to be freed of the dictatorship they endured, and deserve to have the pre Saddam Iraq.

This is not the propper tread for this discussion, and I will get back on topic and expect the same. Just had to say this much.

Advisor,

Sorry to have offended you.

I guess I am proven wrong then. I was not aware you are active duty.

BTW, thank you for your service.

I guess ATS is anonymous enough to post your thoughts against the "official story".

Can I ask, on topic:

What would happen to you if you came out against the official story not anonymously?

No problem, I was looking forward to do the interview, hopefully another one can be done while on the next rotation.

Geting back to the topic, demoteing him and refusing entry to his place of work is very extreame, and he ould have gotten the IG involved is he didn't do so.

This sounds like a case of his higher command takeing a political side and being outof line. Of course while on active duty, soldiers are not encouraged to get involved with any thing that could reflect badly on the DoD and it's Branches. If one does decide to do so, they must make it obvious that their actions and opinions are not an official stance by their employer and is solely the opinion and action of theirs as an individual.

There could be more to his story than is fisrt seen, maybe his public statement was just a springboard for some who who hasa grudge against him. The Military has become a lot more political in it's own way, and has changed for the worse in my opinion, from what it was like in my first enlistment.

I just hope people see things for themselves, instead of as others portray them.