reply to post by WickedStar and Annee
I'm not sure what Annee was getting at, but if you come back to read this, I wanted to "close out" as well. I hope that we run across each other
again, as I have added you to my friends list. This has been the best and most open thread I have been a part of, and I am proud to say I started
it... Now here goes...
When I was growing up, I was raised within the confines of a "christian" home. I can say without a doubt that my parents, (ps, I'm adopted) are
some of the most loving people I know, and they love God with all their hearts. But sadly, they are bigots. They, in their hearts, are disgusted by
gay people. I know, that when they get to heaven, they will have to answer for that. How showing and sharing God's love was not important enough for
them to get over this.
But I can understand some part of how they feel. Is it because I feel the same way? No! But I have already answered that. So let me explain why, with
a question. Are Iranian children and young adults responsible for the way they feel about Jews? How about Turkish children and young adults and their
view of the Armenian genocide? How about my grandfather, the most racist person I have ever known? Are people responsible for the indoctrination they
have known their whole lives?
I once asked a theologian about little island kids in the 14th century who never even knew who the heck Jesus was, and that it was necessary to be
"saved". He answered me almost right away, saying that he believed we were responsible for how we felt and acted, when we knew the difference, and
that God had a separate set of rules until you were exposed to the gospel. So I have gone way off point, right? No, I think I am right on.
The holier than thou attitude that people carry, whether it be "greenies" and the environment,, Christians and their faith, or even Annee, no
offense, is what keeps people from understanding the very diverse ways of thinking and living that we have all experienced. No one is any more
enlightened than another, we just all have our own views.
I have been to pro-life rallies, and gay pride parades. I have protested our gov't, and stopped others from burning flags. I have lived and thought
so many different ways, but I make it a point to talk with people, hear their views, and figure out how I want to impact those around me. Yes, it is
possible for me to fully support the gay movement, and still think that two dudes getting it on is gross. When I was in high school, I used to think
that two girls were gross, and so on. My view for what is pleasing to the eye does in no way impact how I interact with ANYONE. I just avoid young
couples, of any sex, as I know that they can't wait to just shove their tongue down each others throat. I still go out with gay couples, just mature
ones. I know that to some of you, the open sexuality of the 60's, 70's and 80's was a wonderful time. But quite frankly, I take a look at all the
havoc wreaked across three decades and wonder how family units ever survived.
I know, morality and modesty will forever be linked with religion in most peoples minds. But lets be honest, since I see the trend of the 30-40
something gay men moving towards nesting, I now know that maybe the family unit was not forced by religion. Maybe, for a large swath of the public,
they see the stable elements needed for a thriving society. Maybe morality and modesty don't have to be about religion.
Maybe it can be about respect, for ones self, and for others. Maybe it can be about understanding the impact of this type of behavior on our mental
and physical health. I don't know, it can be anything, but it doesn't have to be religion. And there is nothing wrong with people saying that the
over-sexualization of our society is a bad thing. That it has no place. And that is why you don't see the same sort of backlash towards family units
of gay males that there was in the 80's towards the young swinger types.
Now I know, you are thinking, hey, people are against gay marriage! Well, this has a lot to do with my previous statements about the old perception of
the gay lifestyle. It might help to change the word, or whatever, but how about we just change the attitude by setting examples. I'm sorry, but that
is what it will take.
You cannot force people to give up long held beliefs, especially when these peoples feelings are a big part of who they are. You don't like it when
someone tells you they are wrong, so you cannot do the same. This debate, and others like it, with proper examples as well, does so much more to
further a mutual goal, and understanding.
So gays in the military, and openly? I don't think it is our place in this time to set that mark. I think it takes, as I mentioned previously, a
different approach. But I believe that there is no way these types of debates would have happened openly just ten years ago, so a little hurray for
progress. But mostly, it is going to take the common understanding that neither side can be right all the time. Neither side.
Gays will serve openly, following the same code of conduct as others, when this social evolution has commenced. Too soon, and I think one forgets the
damage that may be wrought to both sides.
Thanks for the conversation, and I will check back if you have anything to add or clarify, but otherwise, I think that we got as far as we are going
to get without more participation from more military, active duty. Thanks-Jason
[edit on 24-5-2008 by jasonjnelson]